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Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother with crying toddler off the bus?

should a bus driver be allowed to kick crying babies and their caregivers off the bus

  • Yes. It's distracting to him and irritating to others

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • In some circumstances I suppose

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • No, children cry sometimes, they have a right to ride the bus

    Votes: 27 50.0%

  • I hate kids and they shouldn't be allowed in public

    Votes: 4 7.4%
  • Total voters
    54
NEUROSPORT said:
i voted YES kick the bitch to the curb

i don't see Asian kids throwing fits - they understand discipline

if you don't know how to raise kids then you better know how to drive a car.

kids are like dogs. their parents/owners think everybody should love them.

i am sorry but i don't love your dog and i don't love your kids. if you feel like traveling with your dog - BUY A CAR - and the same for your retarded kids.
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I concur:lol:
 
It depends. I'm one of these people who really gets annoyed that parents today just don't seem to be able to or want to control their children. I think children should be seen and rarely heard in grown up situations. But it would depend on the circumstances such as the age of the child and what the parent decided to do to remedy the situation.
 
I think the use of a dingo is a fine addition to Australian parenting skills.
 
Is there a single problem in the world that hasn't been caused by government in the first place? No environmentalist influence on regulation, no suppression of nuclear and post-nuclear energy technologies, no need for everyone to take the same slow-ass bus. Flying taxis for all! Seriously.
 
NEUROSPORT said:
i voted YES kick the bitch to the curb

i don't see Asian kids throwing fits - they understand discipline

if you don't know how to raise kids then you better know how to drive a car.

kids are like dogs. their parents/owners think everybody should love them.

i am sorry but i don't love your dog and i don't love your kids. if you feel like traveling with your dog - BUY A CAR - and the same for your retarded kids.
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B L Zeebub said:
I concur:lol:
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Seconded.

I hate going on public transport and having children running up and down the carriage, screaming, hanging off bars and making the journey horrible for the rest of us.

Control your child or get off the damn bus.
 
Laila said:
Seconded.

I hate going on public transport and having children running up and down the carriage, screaming, hanging off bars and making the journey horrible for the rest of us.

Control your child or get off the damn bus.
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This is a completely different situation, if a child is running amok on the bus and the parent is unwilling to parent them properly, then, yes, they deserve to be treated as any other person would be and should ejected from the bus.

However, that said, children cry. They can't talk so they have no other method of communicating what they want with their parent. This can be frustrating enough for a parent to try to figure out what their young child wants, without the added stress of being dumped out on a street corner.

Bottom line, the child was not being wild or out of control, she was simply crying. The article states that the mother was doing everything she could to try to help her child. Trust me, as a parent, when your child cries in public, you realize that everyone is watching and you want your child to stop as much as everyone else does. I've never heard a single person, no matter how much they love their child say, "I love it when they cry!"

If the bus driver was unable to perform his job due to such a simple distractions, he needs to be the one getting off the bus...and looking for a new job. A job requiring social interaction is clearly not for him.
 
Is this Government funded transportation or a private bus company.


If its the former, then no. She paid for the bus, and toddlers do things like that. If it affects his driving, he needs to pilot a wendy's.


If its private, its up to the company.


Though kicking a woman and child off the bus, seems rather un-chivarlistic and an asshole thing to do.


If I was on that bus (The Good Reverend does not "do" buses). I'd have a word with that driver in either case.
 
for the safty and confort of the rest of the passengers yes they deserve what they paid for
 
Whenever I was in public with either of my two kids when they were toddlers, if they kicked up a fuss to the point I would have been annoyed were I somebody else, I removed them from the situation as quickly as possible. That sometimes meant leaving a restaraunt or store momentarily, but I was never so selfish as to think my rights were more important than others.

That being said, I would say that riding a bus is a bit of a different situation in that it is more difficult to remove yourself from the thing , especially as you don't know the neighborhood and might not be able to catch a bus for a while. As far as this specific woman is concerned, I suppose my attitude would all depend on how seriously she actually tried to quiet the child. Of course, she SAID she did, and may very well be telling the truth, but I have also experienced lots of parents who are so selfish they think it is their God given right to force their screaming kid on everybody else and who will say they were doing something when they weren't.

I suppose I would have had to be there to really tell how I would react.
 
Gardener said:
Whenever I was in public with either of my two kids when they were toddlers, if they kicked up a fuss to the point I would have been annoyed were I somebody else, I removed them from the situation as quickly as possible. That sometimes meant leaving a restaraunt or store momentarily, but I was never so selfish as to think my rights were more important than others.

That being said, I would say that riding a bus is a bit of a different situation in that it is more difficult to remove yourself from the thing , especially as you don't know the neighborhood and might not be able to catch a bus for a while. As far as this specific woman is concerned, I suppose my attitude would all depend on how seriously she actually tried to quiet the child. Of course, she SAID she did, and may very well be telling the truth, but I have also experienced lots of parents who are so selfish they think it is their God given right to force their screaming kid on everybody else and who will say they were doing something when they weren't.

I suppose I would have had to be there to really tell how I would react.
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you were a good parent but how many are left
 
75Greeno said:
for the safty and confort of the rest of the passengers yes they deserve what they paid for
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They got less than they paid for. How about a screaming child discount? I'd like to see someone file a small claim for the amount of their month pass against this woman.
 
jamesrage said:
If the child was acting like a brat and the parent was failing to control that child then yes they should be kicked off. Wrong, this is an act of intolerance...Were you ever a parent ? I know I am not the only one to witness a inept Parents cannot always be as "ept" as others would like them to be.parent in the store who basically has no control over their child and their child is kicking screaming and misbehaving and getting into things that they are not supposed to. These types of parents should be considerate to everyone else and leave their child with a baby sitter or at least strap their child to a seat so it can not run around.
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True, some of the parents and children can test our resolve to the breaking point..Then we must be tougher..
A question, James, and think about it.. Where you ever a child ?
We have a ""wrong"" society; but the bus driver was more wrong.
And we have a shortage of men.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Is it okay for a bus driver to kick a mother and her toddler off the bus because the toddler is crying or making a lot of noise?
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If the noise is affecting the driver's ability to safely do his job, as noted?
Absolutely.
 
Jerry said:
They got less than they paid for. How about a screaming child discount? I'd like to see someone file a small claim for the amount of their month pass against this woman.
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If they got where they are going, they got what they paid for. I don't remember any bus company ever guaranteeing me a peaceful, quiet ride in relaxation to my destination.
 
theangryamerican said:
If they got where they are going, they got what they paid for.
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That's not all they paid for, no.

theangryamerican said:
I don't remember any bus company ever guaranteeing me a peaceful, quiet ride in relaxation to my destination.
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Me either, who was talking about such a thing?

To think there are only 2 options: screaming children or total quiet, with no middle or moderate ground.

Yours is a strange little world view.

Yes when one buys a ride they are buying a ride absent excessive noise, especially excessive noises which are distracting the driver.
 
75Greeno said:
you were a good parent but how many are left
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Interesting, and even better if you could trouble yourself to use proper punctuation, Greeno.
Parenting is not that hard, it does take maturity, of course.
In truth, I'm willing to say that each generation of parents is an improvement, thanks to better education, better communications, and the Internet.
And, we must always work on tolerance and respect.
 
I think this whole story is symptomatic of the Anglo/Saxon based cultural hostility toward children. This would never have happened in Mexico or some other culture that more cherishes children.

That's why Europe and N. America are being overrun with people from other cultures. The newcomers, such as those from Mexico, are family oriented and always welcome children into any situation, and don't mind having children even if they haven't met all the artificial middle class criteria that our uptight culture demands. They are role models IMO.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
I think this whole story is symptomatic of the Anglo/Saxon based cultural hostility toward children. This would never have happened in Mexico or some other culture that more cherishes children.

That's why Europe and N. America are being overrun with people from other cultures. The newcomers, such as those from Mexico, are family oriented and always welcome children into any situation, and don't mind having children even if they haven't met all the artificial middle class criteria that our uptight culture demands. They are role models IMO.
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I don't see how hostility to children in our culture. I see some hostility to badly behaved children, yeah, but I think we as a culture tolerate far too much bad behaviour from children. Parents have a responsibility to control their children when they're out in public, and if they can't do that, their children obviously aren't fit too be in public yet. Bad behavior is not "cuter" or any less annoying when the person causing a scene is young. It's still bloody irritating.
 
This little toddler was only 20 months old, a mere baby. I agree with you that older children have bad manners in modern society. My point is that cultures such as the Mexican culture, are much more tolerant of babies and young children, and much more cherish them, than our uptight Northern European based cultures do.

I see many Mexican families in my line of work. They are tight-knit and enjoy one anothers company immensely. They cherish their babies and consider it normal to have them around acting their age.
 
Anima said:
I don't see how hostility to children in our culture. I see some hostility to badly behaved children, yeah, but I think we as a culture tolerate far too much bad behaviour from children. Parents have a responsibility to control their children when they're out in public, and if they can't do that, their children obviously aren't fit too be in public yet. Bad behavior is not "cuter" or any less annoying when the person causing a scene is young. It's still bloody irritating.
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It's reasonable to expect a mother would leave a restaurant, a movie theater, a store if their toddler is pitching a fit.

But if she's heading home, it's late at night, the bus schedule isn't predictable, etc it's wholly unreasonable to expect her to just up and get off the bus so her kid can finish his or her tantrum on the street corner. Most parents of toddlers have dealt with tantrums - some more than others. Even the best parent does not make it through those years without some screaming and crying. Around here the bus comes once an hour to most places. Let's say a mother is about 15 minutes from home and her kid is screaming bloody hell on the bus. Should she get off and stand on the corner for an hour - hoping the kid shuts the hell up so they can get back on another bus???

What if she's taking the kid to the dr? What if the kid is screaming cause it has an ear infection and she doesn't have a car?

I think, as adults, we can handle some lady's kid crying on the bus or the plane without pitching a little tantrum ourselves. Grow the f up people.
 
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talloulou said:
It's reasonable to expect a mother would leave a restaurant, a movie theater, a store if their toddler is pitching a fit.

But if she's heading home, it's late at night, the bus schedule isn't predictable, etc it's wholly unreasonable to expect her to just up and get off the bus so her kid can finish his or her tantrum on the street corner. Most parents of toddlers have dealt with tantrums - some more than others. Even the best parent does not make it through those years without some screaming and crying. Around here the bus comes once an hour to most places. Let's say a mother is about 15 minutes from home and her kid is screaming bloody hell on the bus. Should she get off and stand on the corner for an hour - hoping the kid shuts the hell up so they can get back on another bus???

What if she's taking the kid to the dr? What if the kid is screaming cause it has an ear infection and she doesn't have a car?

I think, as adults, we can handle some lady's kid crying on the bus or the plane without pitching a little tantrum ourselves. Grow the f up people.
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I don't think we should have to, to be perfectly honest. I think if the child's screaming was legitamitly distracting the driver, he had every right to ask them to leave. Crying, sure, children cry, but if you cause a disruption in a public place, you should not be allowed to remain in said space. Age is no excuse for poor behaviour in said poor behaviour will prevent someone else from carrying out their job.
 
NEUROSPORT said:
i voted YES kick the bitch to the curb

i don't see Asian kids throwing fits - they understand discipline

if you don't know how to raise kids then you better know how to drive a car.

kids are like dogs. their parents/owners think everybody should love them.

i am sorry but i don't love your dog and i don't love your kids. if you feel like traveling with your dog - BUY A CAR - and the same for your retarded kids.
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Trust me, I work in a toy store. Asian kids definitely throw fits.
 
Anima said:
I don't think we should have to, to be perfectly honest. I think if the child's screaming was legitamitly distracting the driver, he had every right to ask them to leave. Crying, sure, children cry, but if you cause a disruption in a public place, you should not be allowed to remain in said space. Age is no excuse for poor behaviour in said poor behaviour will prevent someone else from carrying out their job.
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Then again, the lady paid the bus fare, she in effect bought the right to ride the bus. This right was not conditional, as far as I know, on the child staying quiet.

My other thought is, if all you're worried about is a loud baby, you have it pretty easy. There's been times on my commute home when I wonder if I'm going to get mugged.
 
20 months is not a squalling newborn. the kid can walk and talk, there is no excuse.

the woman tolerates tantrums from her toddler, and has to accept the consequences of this.
 
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