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Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?

Should Roman Polanski be punished for his crime?


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i am not your courts are corrupt and filled with lying and cheating judges that screwed Polanski. THE JUDGE SAID YES TO THE DEAL. what is it that you do not understand about that.

Wrong very Wrong you need to learn something about Calf. Court System I suggest you might want to start with the 10th Adm. after that you might want to read up on the case.

The Judge can set aside his/her decission any ****ing time they please if they feel it's in the best judgement of Justice.

Question why are you defending this Scum huh, come from it's quite funny and sad considering I know Del would have want this Scum fried.
 
No
Lets show some intelligence here. This man is 72; the "victim" wishes for no punishment, as I have read; so, I see no gain.
Its silly to waste the money.. and for what ?
Justice?
In real life, how often do we have this ?
Revenge ?
Yeah - that works every time.....down thru the ages.....
Anyway, Polanski's claim to fame will be as a child molester, much as Barry Bonds will be noted as a cheater.
Note the general difference between cons and libs.

Not so much. It's not about the case anymore. He plead guilty. He ran from the US government when he was supposed to be sentenced. It's finishing off the procedures. Sorry. He ran to France because he knew they wouldn't extradite him. He basically gave the big middle finger to our government, and we all know it doesn't take too kindly to that.
 
I do find it fascinating what kind of defenders Polanski has. Many seem to think that his status as an "artist" should somehow be taken into account.
 
i will report that as that is directed at me. so thank you. the insinuation is that since i see your courts as unfair i am those. for this post on almost any forum you would be banned and you should be. i will know the type of board this is by their action.

You are reading into it. I am saying that the people most likely to have trouble with the legal system are criminals, like Polanski(not you). Easy way to go through life with a very tiny, remote chance of not having trouble with the legal system...don't be a criminal. I have zero sympathy for a child molester who thinks the system is unfair to him.
 
I do find it fascinating what kind of defenders Polanski has. Many seem to think that his status as an "artist" should somehow be taken into account.

I am not seeing your "many". I see a very small "few".
 
Perhaps you might want to get the facts straight before you render an opinion on this matter:

First of all, Polanski entered into a plea agreement with the District Attorney which the judge reneged on. It is extremely rare for a judge to interpose themselves in matters such as this. The Judge does not have the same breadth of information regarding the case that the defense and the prosecutor have. Had the judge not reneged, Polanski would have received a "time served" offer. The judge wanted him to serve multiple years in prison.

Perhaps the reason for the discrepancy was that there was a lot of things unknown regarding the case and likely difficult for the prosecution to get a conviction. What is clear is that this is not the case of a pedophile picking up a 13 year old and raping them. This case involved the girl and her mother essentially attempting to get a break in Hollywood through sexual favors. That doesn't make it right, but it makes it a different type of case. It is also unclear whether Polanski actually knew the girl was underage. Most accounts indicate that the girl looked and carried herself as substantially older.


Because of these factors, the District Attorney understood that they had problems with proof in the case and very likely would not be able to get a conviction. As a result, they offered a plea deal to Polanski which he accepted.

What Polanski did and his fleeing are certainly not commendable, however, many of the problems were created by the judge who was not aware of the weakness of the DA's case.

Polanski should be sentenced pursuant to the original deal which was "time served" and probation.

I have to laugh at this post when you state that we should get the FACTS straight and then make everyone dizzy spinning this case and avoiding the FACTS.

FACT: Polanski was guilty of, and admitted to having sex with an underage girl which broke the law.

FACT: Polanski exhibited extremely poor judgment and lack of moral character and as such, was properly charged for his misconduct and prosecuted for it.

FACT: Polanski fled the country after pleading to a lesser charge in an effort to avoid justice and incarceration; in other words, broke the law a second time.

Your, and others, efforts to spin this as some miscarriage of justice just cannot be supported by the FACTS and the notion that someone should be able to thumb their nose at the Justice system in the US after abusing his position and exhibiting extremely poor judgment having sex with this 13 year old are about as DUMB as thinking that this is a "special" case of consensual rape" or that Polanski has only used his status/position for sex with minors ONE time.

:doh
 
Its not a matter of "defending"....its about doing what is right.

The plea agreement should have been honored 30 years ago. If it had, he would have been off probation 25 years ago. The man has stayed out of trouble...that is what probation is intended to do....keep someone on the straight and narrow. He has done that.

If you see the need for additional sanctions. Give him the original deal...Time served and 5 years probation.

So let me understand your convoluted logic here: Polanski was justified fleeing our justice system because even thought he was filthy rich, could afford the best lawyers and felt that even with that level of representation, they still were too incompetent to keep him from serving time and therefore, being innocent and such and given the “illegal” actions of the Judge, he had no choice but to flee this despotic nation and its attempts to illegally punish him for something so mundane as having “consensual” sex with a 13 year old.

Does this summarize your argument?

The fascinating part of this level of denial and spin is the assertion that the Judge acted improperly and as such, Polanski being the rich over-represented person that he is, had no other legal recourse but to flee justice.

:rofl
 
I do find it fascinating what kind of defenders Polanski has. Many seem to think that his status as an "artist" should somehow be taken into account.

I am willing to bet that ALL his defenders quite possibly also voted for Obama? :rofl
 
I care about the law. If you break the law, you deserve the punishment.
And you'll be punishing the victim even more by making here testify in court and such. Willing to push law to hurt the innocent? Interesting.
 
And you'll be punishing the victim even more by making here testify in court and such. Willing to push law to hurt the innocent? Interesting.

Yeah, I think so. This is an exceptional case with some unfortunate side effects, but I think the pursuit of justice is important, and consistency in laws.
 
1) I reject that having her testify is "punishing" her,

and

2) There's no reason for her to testify.
 
Yeah, I think so. This is an exceptional case with some unfortunate side effects, but I think the pursuit of justice is important, and consistency in laws.
Fair enough. I just disagree, but that's how things go around these parts! :mrgreen:
 
And you'll be punishing the victim even more by making here testify in court and such. Willing to push law to hurt the innocent? Interesting.

This is very funny; she doesn't need to testify. The case is done and he was already sentenced.

The ONLY thing that remains is a hearing on his new crime of fleeing justice and how much additional time will be tacked onto his original sentence.

:doh

I find it amusing watching those who defend such immoral and illegal conduct now try to spin this as an effort to hurt the innocent; you voted for Obama didn't you? :rofl
 
I find it amusing watching those who defend such immoral and illegal conduct now try to spin this as an effort to hurt the innocent; you voted for Obama didn't you? :rofl

I get a kick out of you lambasting people like Dragondad. The concept of irony seems lost on you. Everything's a partisan issue, even the extradition of creepy old sexual offenders. What a sad world you must live in.
 
you say this knowing that the woman involved has said she wants it over that it is ruining her life. interesting. i guess no one really does care about this woman. it is a shame.

So, basically, this guy commits what is literally the worst of examples of male sexual dominance – using his position of power to extract sexual satiation for his basest indulgences against a truly helpless girl – and the people who want to see him punished for it don't care about the victim?
 
Wrong very Wrong you need to learn something about Calf. Court System I suggest you might want to start with the 10th Adm. after that you might want to read up on the case.

The Judge can set aside his/her decission any ****ing time they please if they feel it's in the best judgement of Justice.

Question why are you defending this Scum huh, come from it's quite funny and sad considering I know Del would have want this Scum fried.

Nice flame Ghost Rider.......
 
You are reading into it. I am saying that the people most likely to have trouble with the legal system are criminals, like Polanski(not you). Easy way to go through life with a very tiny, remote chance of not having trouble with the legal system...don't be a criminal. I have zero sympathy for a child molester who thinks the system is unfair to him.

Or we could say that people who wish Polanski to be punished for a crime he possibly did not commit, since nobody here knows the details of this case, are just repressed child molester?
 
Or we could say that people who wish Polanski to be punished for a crime he possibly did not commit, since nobody here knows the details of this case, are just repressed child molester?

:roll: He committed it. That part is not in doubt.
 
Or we could say that people who wish Polanski to be punished for a crime he possibly did not commit, since nobody here knows the details of this case, are just repressed child molester?

That is what trials are for, to determine guilt or innocence.
 
Roman Polanski should be raped by a very very old man.
 
I get a kick out of you lambasting people like Dragondad. The concept of irony seems lost on you. Everything's a partisan issue, even the extradition of creepy old sexual offenders. What a sad world you must live in.

I get a kick out of your abuse of the term "partisan" and continued avoidance of facts and questions addressed to you.

By the way, do you even comprehend the term "partisan"? Or do you just find it convenient to abuse the term in a desperate effort to avoid substance?

Nothing I have stated on this thread is "partisan" unless in your desperation to avoid my question about who you voted for is now considered to be "partisan." In fact, my question is more related to your "state of mind" than it is some farcical notions about what you perceive as "partisan."

The irony of bringing Dragondad into this conversation is also lost on you, however, if you continue to remain confused about what would be a fine example of rabid hyper partisanship, dragondad defines the term; fascinating that your selective outrage is merely directed towards me and you would reference him here.

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Now back to my question; did you vote for Obama; yes or no?
 
Or we could say that people who wish Polanski to be punished for a crime he possibly did not commit, since nobody here knows the details of this case, are just repressed child molester?

He did the act, and admitted to it. He plead guilty to sex with a minor and then fled the country to avoid consequences thereof. He would have been a lot better off having done this back in the 70's when penalties weren't as bad. We'll see what he's sentenced to now.
 
So let me understand your convoluted logic here: Polanski was justified fleeing our justice system because even thought he was filthy rich, could afford the best lawyers and felt that even with that level of representation, they still were too incompetent to keep him from serving time and therefore, being innocent and such and given the “illegal” actions of the Judge, he had no choice but to flee this despotic nation and its attempts to illegally punish him for something so mundane as having “consensual” sex with a 13 year old.

Does this summarize your argument?

The fascinating part of this level of denial and spin is the assertion that the Judge acted improperly and as such, Polanski being the rich over-represented person that he is, had no other legal recourse but to flee justice.

:rofl

No...it doesn't summarize it at all. Typical of most of your posts, deflector, it mischaracterizes and distorts.

Nowhere did I say that Polanski was "justified" (once again your mischaracterizations and distortion)

Nowhere did I say that the actions of the judge were "illegal" (once again your mischaracterizations and distortion)

Nowhere did I say that having sex with a minor is "mundane" (Once again your mischaracterizations and distortion).


However, as typical of many debates, several people have the facts wrong. If this were a case about a pedaphile who lured a 13 year old into his house raped her and then fled to avoid punishment, they might have a point. That, however is a mischaracterization of the facts.

I am not condoning Polanski's underlying actions or his fleeing the country. However, one cannot pick and choose what parts of the circumstances you want to support your arguments and fail to address the others.

The bottom line is that the DA did not find the story of the girl and her mother credible. Rightfully so, because she later recanted major parts of it.
The DA understood the lack of credibility as well as other weaknesses in their case which is why the case settled for what it did.

The actions of the judge failed to take into account the weakness of the DA's case. Responding to personal vendetta or political pressure or whatever, the judge took the plea and then reneged on the deal. Yes...a judge can refuse to take a deal, however, usually where this is done it is because of a person's rap sheet or because of additional information that the judge becomes aware of. A judge does not have the same information that the DA/Defense have regarding the facts of the case.

I hate to say it, but if I were Polanski, I would have fled as well.

That said...I have never said that Polanski should not be punished. He should be punished in accord with the original deal. As I stated before there are two interests which a criminal penalty are intended to serve....rehabilitation and retribution. The fact that Polanski has gone 30 years crime free would support a belief that rehabilitation has already been served. What about retribution. The original plea was for a time served sentence. The plea was based on the strength of the case and information known to the DA. Why should retribution carry a higher price than that which justice demands?
 
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