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Would you tell the world you slept with your dad.

Do you think she is telling the truth or lying

  • Telling the truth

    Votes: 12 42.9%
  • Lying

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 11 39.3%

  • Total voters
    28

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Who in their right mind goes on national tv and admits to having consensual sex with him. Ok, you want to get something off your chest, go to a therapist. She said that she needed to 'get it out', but I'm quite sure that she could have ''gotten closure'' without going public. She still admits to getting stoned, and for this I think she just needs more drug money, hence this new 'out' book.

Mackenzie Phillips: I had sex with musician dad John Phillips - CNN.com
 
Who in their right mind goes on national tv and admits to having consensual sex with him. Ok, you want to get something off your chest, go to a therapist. She said that she needed to 'get it out', but I'm quite sure that she could have ''gotten closure'' without going public. She still admits to getting stoned, and for this I think she just needs more drug money, hence this new 'out' book.

Mackenzie Phillips: I had sex with musician dad John Phillips - CNN.com

Neither you, I, nor anyone else is in any positions to judge her.
I can't imagine anything more horrific.
Whatever makes her feel better.
I can't say what I'd do, hypothetically, in her situation.
I can't say what someone in her situation "should" do.
There is no "should".
This is an abomination, a travesty, a betrayal of unimaginable proportions.
There is no protocol for dealing with such a thing.
If "outing" the situation offers her some measure of relief, then yes, of course she should tell the world.
Anyone who doesn't want to hear it is free to not buy her book/ watch her interviews.
 
Would you tell the world you slept with your dad?

Why would you sleep with your dad in the first place?
 
Why would you sleep with your dad in the first place?

According to what I read, he gave her drugs on the night before her wedding (she was 19), they both got high and passed out in his bed, and when she woke up he was having sex with her and had been for some time.
She's had a drug problem since her early teens; the fact that "Papa John" was a heavy drug user is also well-known.
I'm not entirely sure how this rape led to a long-standing sexual relationship between the two of them, but I suspect that drugs continued to play a role; I suspect, also, that it had a lot to do with power. Love can be tyranny, when you love someone who does not have your best interests at heart, and who wants you to do things that are wrong.
 
According to what I read, he gave her drugs on the night before her wedding (she was 19), they both got high and passed out in his bed, and when she woke up he was having sex with her and had been for some time.
She's had a drug problem since her early teens; the fact that "Papa John" was a heavy drug user is also well-known.
I'm not entirely sure how this rape led to a long-standing sexual relationship between the two of them, but I suspect that drugs continued to play a role; I suspect, also, that it had a lot to do with power. Love can be tyranny, when you love someone who does not have your best interests at heart, and who wants you to do things that are wrong.

It was more of a sarcastic, rhetorical-type question, but thanks anyway...:shock:
 
It was more of a sarcastic, rhetorical-type question, but thanks anyway...:shock:

Well, I figured I'd clear it up anyway.
"Why would you sleep with your dad" implies she had a choice, when according to her it was rape.
Why she would continue to sleep with her dad is a valid question, but it's obvious she was and continues to be a profoundly emotionally crippled individual and that her father was a powerful figure, not just in her life but in the lives of most of those around him.
 
I don,t keep up with this stuff but is her dad still among the living?
 
I don,t keep up with this stuff but is her dad still among the living?

No, he died a few years ago.
He was John Phillips of "the mamas and the papas", a 60s band.
Her siblings are Bijou and Chynna Phillips, both pseudo-celebs of the "Paris Hilton" sort.
 
No, he died a few years ago.
He was John Phillips of "the mamas and the papas", a 60s band.
Her siblings are Bijou and Chynna Phillips, both pseudo-celebs of the "Paris Hilton" sort.

Good,hope the creep had a miserable death.
 
"Would you tell the world you slept with your dad?"

Maybe in a suicide note.

Seriously.
 
"Would you tell the world you slept with your dad?"

Maybe in a suicide note.

Seriously.

Well, damn her for surviving. Where does she get off drawing breath?
 
Well, damn her for surviving. Where does she get off drawing breath?

I'm not talking about her. The question is "Would I"

To each their own.
 
I'm not talking about her. The question is "Would I"

To each their own.

It's hard to know what you'd do.
It's my understanding that most incest victims survive.
It's easy to say you'd kill yourself, but not so easy to follow through with that.
 
Well, I figured I'd clear it up anyway.
"Why would you sleep with your dad" implies she had a choice, when according to her it was rape.
Why she would continue to sleep with her dad is a valid question, but it's obvious she was and continues to be a profoundly emotionally crippled individual and that her father was a powerful figure, not just in her life but in the lives of most of those around him.

Absolutely. If she's telling the truth then there's no reason to judge her harshly. She obvioulsy has serious issues.
 
It's hard to know what you'd do.
It's my understanding that most incest victims survive.
It's easy to say you'd kill yourself, but not so easy to follow through with that.

I'm not saying I would kill myself. I'm saying that the only way I would "tell the world" is if I was pretty sure I wasn't going to be around for the reaction and discussion. A professional therapist in confidence? Maybe, hell probably. But the world? Not likely. I'd rather take it to my grave.
 
It must have really hurt a lot of people. She should have done something other than blab this story. It's not like he can defend himself. Is she selling a book?
 
It must have really hurt a lot of people. She should have done something other than blab this story. It's not like he can defend himself. Is she selling a book?

newly written memoir High On Arrivals
 
I think she's lying. even if she is telling the truth she is only making this public to make money off it, which is gruesome. so I pretty much don't care either way.
 
I think she's lying. even if she is telling the truth she is only making this public to make money off it, which is gruesome. so I pretty much don't care either way.

:yt

I'll vote for the invisible fourth option. 'Don't care'
 
I don't know if she's telling the truth, but I support her courage in speaking out about this.

To answer the question posted in the thread title - that depends. I believe that parents should have far-reaching rights over their children, even including culturally subjective things like female circumcision, incest, religious brainwashing, and so on, as long as they don't interfere with the child's natural rights to life and to emancipation. That means the children will ultimately be able to decide for themselves if they have been violated and whether to expose their parents, in which case they'd obviously face near-universal ostracism.

Trusting government intervention to stamp out incest is immoral, ineffective, and ultimately very destructive. Countless children are still being abused by their parents and other adults, including in the government-run "Child Protection Services", where all the smart pedophiles apply for their day job. Countless adults are prosecuted for alleged child abuse without the consent of the victim (and/or his/her parents/guardians) for that prosecution to take place (i.e. victimless crime). Countless adults decide not to have children because of the overbearing role the government is starting to play in family life, which can only lead to a demographic and economic collapse, as is already starting to play out in some of the more socialist European countries. Etc. The Anarcho-Capitalist approach that recognizes the rights of the parents, the child's right to emancipation, and relies on social pressure (i.e. ostracism) would be far more humane and far more effective.
 
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It must have really hurt a lot of people. She should have done something other than blab this story. It's not like he can defend himself. Is she selling a book?

Yeah, god forbid she should tell the secret that has probably been her shame for all these years, and set herself free from it. Telling a secret is part of healing for victims of these kinds of crimes. And, the response here explains why so many of them keep these kinds of secrets for so long and self-medicate to deal with the emotional trauma.

This is not HER shame. She's a VICTIM.
 
Yeah, god forbid she should tell the secret that has probably been her shame for all these years, and set herself free from it. Telling a secret is part of healing for victims of these kinds of crimes. And, the response here explains why so many of them keep these kinds of secrets for so long and self-medicate to deal with the emotional trauma.

This is not HER shame. She's a VICTIM.


What's the purpose in being open about it publically though, vs. in a professional therapy session?

I mean, I have secrets that carry way less social stigma than incest, that I would never publically acknowledge.
 
It may be cathartic for her and her readers, secrets, PM me, I will be as silent as the grave:)
 
Who in their right mind goes on national tv and admits to having consensual sex with him. Ok, you want to get something off your chest, go to a therapist. She said that she needed to 'get it out', but I'm quite sure that she could have ''gotten closure'' without going public. She still admits to getting stoned, and for this I think she just needs more drug money, hence this new 'out' book.

Mackenzie Phillips: I had sex with musician dad John Phillips - CNN.com
i wouldn't. she definitely needs help.
 
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