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If Health Care Reform Passes, Will Things Get Violent?

Do You Think The Right Will Get Violent?

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Was the government trying to kill McVeigh? Or was the government merely an irritant in his life?
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Was the government trying to kill McVeigh? Or was the government merely an irritant in his life?
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He was just a loony. People who think the government is some evil entity are nuts, and should just move elsewhere other than go around killing innocent people. Every single person he killed was an innocent.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Was the government trying to kill McVeigh? Or was the government merely an irritant in his life?
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There's no profit in killing your slaves (unless they disobey of course).
 
liblady said:
how about maybe, and it's a bad thing?

i believe politicians on the right are tapping into a conscience as well as unconscience well of racism in their constituents, and allowing bad behavior to become the norm. when you have wilson, r-asshole, actually autographing pictures of himself calling the president a liar, you know we have some out of control people, who are probably armed.

i'm gettin' a gun.
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Wilson is a hero to some because he called the President on the lies he was telling.

Wilson is a villon to some because he called the President on the lies he was telling.

If Obama would just learn to tell the truth, no one would call him a liar.

If Obama would learn that most people in this country aren't as stupid as he thinks they are, he wouldn't lie so much.

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And I'm sure the whole board appreciates your trolling. :roll:
 
stevenb said:
Neat, the anti-war activists were attending whatever speeches Bush held... Way to go! (I could care less, because we still have the first amendment, but.. it goes to prove a point)

My rights as a firearm owner and minority in this country are continually under assault by people such as those who are in office. Just because you chose to ignore it, doesn't mean it's not so.
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If you are saying you are a minority because you are a gun owner, you're not.... at least by much.

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."
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US Gun Statistics

Another interesting set of statistics...

More Guns: The number of new guns rises by about 4.5 million every year.3 There are 250+ million privately-owned firearms in the United States.

4 Less Violent Crime: Since 1991, the nation’s total violent crime rate is down 38 percent. (Murder is down 43 percent; rape, 29 percent; robbery, 46 percent; and aggravated assault, 35 percent.) Violent crime dropped every year from 1991-2004, to a 30-year low; increased slightly in 2005 and 2006; and decreased to nearly the 2004 level in 2007. Every year since 2002, the violent crime rate has been lower than anytime since 1974. Every year since 1999, the murder rate has been lower than anytime since 1966. States with RTC laws, compared to the rest of the country, have lower violent crime rates on average: total violent crime by 24 percent, murder, 28 percent; robbery, 50 percent; and aggravated assault, 11 percent.5
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NRA-ILA :: More Guns, Less Crime (Again) in 2007
 
goldendog said:
If and when things get violent. It won't be because health care reform passes.

It will be because people refuse to come to grips and admit they lost an election thru every fault of their own and lost it fair and square in tough fought campaign. To a black man.
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Kind of racist, aren't you.
 
the makeout hobo said:
Firstly, the part about it being taken from seniors and being given to illegals is pure lies. Second, about young people not needing it... a good friend of mine who is 26 got run over by a bus a while back. You tell me she doesn't need medical coverage. She's still dealing with health problems from that.
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You can not remove more than 1/2 a $TRILLION from a system without negatively effecting the delivery of those services. Some of that more than 1/2 $TRILLION is by reducing authorized payments to doctors which has already begun. There were already doctors who hesitated taking medicare for this reason. Obama himself in a speech to a Hispanic group stated that he would provide them medicare by making them citizens (amnesty).

Medicaid exists for your friend, and whomever was driving the bus should surely have insurance which would cover her ongoing care/problems. Obama also wants to reduce Medicaid. She didn't accept a settlement and sign a hold harmless I hope. She, of course, already had the option of buying catatrophic care insurance which would be a heck of a lot cheaper than Obamacare. It would have also had the benefit that she wasn't forced to buy it.

Things you perceive of as lies seem to be chains of logical deductions of which you are unable or unwilling to fathom.

I just wish that Krauthammer and Crystal were the voice of the Republican Party. Instead its the like of Limbaugh and Beck. And not all opposition to Obama is being labeled racist. You are inflating a straw man that has no bearing on reality. If you wish to discuss the true state of things be my guess, but don't float into wishful thinking la la land here.
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Krauthammer and Crystal are much more the voice of the Republican Party than Limbaugh and Beck. Limbaugh and Beck are so far apart in their philosophies it's hard to fathom you think them equivalent. Obviously, you have never listened to either. Limbaugh is a conservative that has been told to please shut up by the Republican Party establishment who was openly despondent with their last choice of presidential candidate, Senator McCain. Limbaugh is too socially conservative and capitalist for them. Beck is an libertarian and constitutionalist. Granted, neither is a friend of socialism/liberalism.

Your assertion that all opposition is not labeled racist must only apply to your own perception. I've heard it from my barber to Jimmy Carter to Bill Clinton (victim of such) and most everyone in la la land. Maybe you're not open to hear it. Do you live on the left coast?


You have to remember that DP is not a fair representation of the political makeup of america. It's as far from that you can get.
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Originally Posted by goldendog
If and when things get violent. It won't be because health care reform passes.

It will be because people refuse to come to grips and admit they lost an election thru every fault of their own and lost it fair and square in tough fought campaign. To a black man.
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goldendog said:
No not at all...just observant...:2wave:
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I consider race baiting to be racist, don't you?
 
LowRevs said:
You can not remove more than 1/2 a $TRILLION from a system without negatively effecting the delivery of those services. Some of that more than 1/2 $TRILLION is by reducing authorized payments to doctors which has already begun. There were already doctors who hesitated taking medicare for this reason. Obama himself in a speech to a Hispanic group stated that he would provide them medicare by making them citizens (amnesty).
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that is why you need to put more money into the system. If the system has more money than no one need be cut. And can I see the Obama quote about illegal immigrants?


Medicaid exists for your friend, and whomever was driving the bus should surely have insurance which would cover her ongoing care/problems. Obama also wants to reduce Medicaid.
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But she'd be eligible under his new system, so why is this a problem?


She didn't accept a settlement and sign a hold harmless I hope. She, of course, already had the option of buying catatrophic care insurance which would be a heck of a lot cheaper than Obamacare. It would have also had the benefit that she wasn't forced to buy it.
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She's currently tied up in court with Sacramento Regional Transit. Needless to say they're going to fight having to pay off as much as needed. And I doubt she, being a student working two jobs at the mall, would be able to afford any insurance.

Things you perceive of as lies seem to be chains of logical deductions of which you are unable or unwilling to fathom.
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Can you debate here without being insulting? kthx.


Krauthammer and Crystal are much more the voice of the Republican Party than Limbaugh and Beck.
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Really? How do you figure? I don't see people at rallies with signs quoting Krauthammer. I don't see the RNC chair apologizing to Crystal.

Limbaugh and Beck are so far apart in their philosophies it's hard to fathom you think them equivalent. Obviously, you have never listened to either.
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I never said they were equivalent. Don't put words in my mouth, its rude. And I listened to Limbaugh every day for several months, I know where he stands. I've only seen some Beck, but I've seen enough to get his stances, so don't judge that which you don't know.

Limbaugh is a conservative that has been told to please shut up by the Republican Party establishment who was openly despondent with their last choice of presidential candidate, Senator McCain.
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And Steele apologizing to Limbaugh?

Limbaugh is too socially conservative and capitalist for them. Beck is an libertarian and constitutionalist. Granted, neither is a friend of socialism/liberalism.
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Not to mention a conspiracy theorist, but that's neither here nor there.


Your assertion that all opposition is not labeled racist must only apply to your own perception. I've heard it from my barber to Jimmy Carter to Bill Clinton (victim of such) and most everyone in la la land. Maybe you're not open to hear it. Do you live on the left coast?
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I do live in California, in a midsized city that's fairly liberal, and I've heard very few people blame all opposition on racism. I think you're hearing what you want to hear here.
 
Crunch said:
I consider race baiting to be racist, don't you?
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Did you attend any of the teaparty events? If so did you ever stand beside someone who was screaming racist remarks and holding a racist sign and give them that same lecture?

Pointing out the fact that there are very many out there who do not like, infact hate, the president because he's black is not race baiting..I do not choose to ignore the obvious for convienence sake.

Do you deny this?
 
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goldendog said:
Did you attend any of the teaparty events? If so did you ever stand beside someone who was screaming racist remarks and holding a racist sign and give them that same lecture?

Pointing out the fact that there are very many out there who do not like, infact hate, the president because he's black is not race baiting..I do not choose to ignore the obvious for convienence sake.

Do you deny this?
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I've been to two Tea Party events... the first one there was no one with racist signs nor was there any one screaming anything.... nor was there any violence nor threat of violence.

The second event was different from the first in only one instance. A man drove his van into a crowd of protesters, injuring 4 right in front of me.... I grabbed 2 other people and jumped out of his way. He was drunk and tried to pick a fight with all that were there, then he went up and took the microphone from the speaker and told us how good for us Government healthcare would be.

No one would fight with him, no one did anything to him until the cops came and took him away..... I think he was probably a Democrat, but I can't be sure.
 
Well, I thought the suggestion of violence was crazy, but today we have this tragic story from Kentucky:



Census worker hanged with the word ‘fed’ scrawled on his body.

The AP is reporting that Bill Sparkman, a 51-year-old part-time Census field worker and occasional teacher, was found hung to death in Kentucky with the word “fed” was scrawled on the dead man’s chest. Investigators are still trying to determine the motive, but “law enforcement officers have told the agency the matter is ‘an apparent homicide.’” “Our job is to determine if there was foul play involved — and that’s part of the investigation — and if there was foul play involved, whether that is related to his employment as a census worker,” said FBI spokesman David Beyer.

Think Progress Census worker hanged with the word ?fed? scrawled on his body.
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Alex Libman said:
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There is no substantive difference between the "left" / "liberal" statists and "right" / "conservative" statists, there's just the question of degree to which individual rights (including parents' rights, the natural right to homestead and defend property, etc) are violated. By that definition, all acts of violence originate with the statists, no matter if it's just one petty shoplifter, a bunch of armed anti-abortion nuts, or an organized political elite.

The OKC bombing (assuming it really was masterminded by McVeigh and Nichols alone) was intended as an act of self-defense, and I can agree with that logic to a degree, but not completely. Adults who choose to work for a violent institution may be fair game, but how hard would it be to check if there's a day-care center in that building! There were much better targets for them to choose from...
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Yikes. You are supporting terrorism? As Redress said, now back to reality....
 
Crunch said:
Wilson is a hero to some because he called the President on the lies he was telling.

Wilson is a villon to some because he called the President on the lies he was telling.

If Obama would just learn to tell the truth, no one would call him a liar.

If Obama would learn that most people in this country aren't as stupid as he thinks they are, he wouldn't lie so much.

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Too bad the president WASN'T telling lies. That's the crux of the issue dude. Those who back such a claim ARE the ignorant ones.
 
Crunch said:
I've been to two Tea Party events... the first one there was no one with racist signs nor was there any one screaming anything.... nor was there any violence nor threat of violence.

The second event was different from the first in only one instance. A man drove his van into a crowd of protesters, injuring 4 right in front of me.... I grabbed 2 other people and jumped out of his way. He was drunk and tried to pick a fight with all that were there, then he went up and took the microphone from the speaker and told us how good for us Government healthcare would be.

No one would fight with him, no one did anything to him until the cops came and took him away..... I think he was probably a Democrat, but I can't be sure.
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In other words, you put your head in the sand and ignore images from other protests that are obviously racially motivated. Are all of them racists? Hell no. Are there racists involved in the movement? Hell yeah.
 
jackalope said:
Well, I thought the suggestion of violence was crazy, but today we have this tragic story from Kentucky:




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Yikes. Let's hope this is an isolated case, but it's obviously motivated by what people are denying in this thread.
 
formerroadie said:
Yikes. Let's hope this is an isolated case, but it's obviously motivated by what people are denying in this thread.
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Obviously motivated? I'm glad you know more than the police do. Perhaps you should put your psychic powers to use and go down there and help the police in their investigation.

Seriously, it is possible the killing was politically motivated. If it was done by some fringe right wing whacko, that doesn't mean its a precursor to some historic rise in politically motivated violence. Just like the violence here isn't proof of some historic rise in mob violence by fringe left wing nuts. Both sides have their share of fringe idiots who occasssionally act out in violent ways. Trying to discredit an entire movement or ideology on the actions of a few isolated nutjobs isn't going to fly with anyone with an ounce of common sense.

It's also possible the killing wasn't the act of some derranged ring winger. One credible possibility was that it was done by marijuana growers or meth lab operators who are known to operate in that area.
 
Psychoclown said:
Obviously motivated? I'm glad you know more than the police do. Perhaps you should put your psychic powers to use and go down there and help the police in their investigation.

Seriously, it is possible the killing was politically motivated. If it was done by some fringe right wing whacko, that doesn't mean its a precursor to some historic rise in politically motivated violence. Just like the violence here isn't proof of some historic rise in mob violence by fringe left wing nuts. Both sides have their share of fringe idiots who occasssionally act out in violent ways. Trying to discredit an entire movement or ideology on the actions of a few isolated nutjobs isn't going to fly with anyone with an ounce of common sense.

It's also possible the killing wasn't the act of some derranged ring winger. One credible possibility was that it was done by marijuana growers or meth lab operators who are known to operate in that area.
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This by itself doesn't mean anything, but when you look at it with all of the other things going on, it's definitely something to worry about.
 
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