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Have "government-agents" bust down your door?

Have "government-agents" bust down your door?

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Ethereal said:
It doesn't matter what Hateuy says, or what this poll seemingly indicates since the former is a mere opinion whereas the latter is worthless anecdotal crap.

My opinion is that a significant number of people have had their doors busted down by government agents since the government has several agencies which were created specifically for that purpose. What's the point of having a SWAT team or an ATF interdiction unit, I wonder? I’m not saying it happens “a lot” but it is certainly something that occurs and is not negligible.

Either way, you, nor Hatuey, can make any worthwhile claims regarding the frequency of such events because you lack the relevant data.
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Do you have it?
 
Which part of IT HAPPENED TO MY FRIENDS AND IT WILL HAPPEN TO ME TOO do you not understand?!

Now - feel sorry for me! All of you! I'm sacrificing myself for your socialist sins donchyaknow! And when Mel Gibson directs a movie about me - see it twice!

:bringit
 
Alex Libman said:
Which part of IT HAPPENED TO MY FRIENDS AND IT WILL HAPPEN TO ME TOO do you not understand?!

Now - feel sorry for me! All of you! I'm sacrificing myself for your socialist sins donchyaknow! And when Mel Gibson directs a movie about me - see it twice!

:bringit
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Wait, will the movie be in English?
 
Truth Detector said:
Fascinating; and yet the pro-gummint Libruls of today were saying absurd things about the previous administration and its efforts to deny your liberties by spying on you and throwing people into "gulags" on trumped up terrorist charges.
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OH, they were just another flavor of anti-gummit idiots.
 
Hatuey said:
Or actually know somebody who this has happened to?
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I know several people that it's happened to, but they were all straight up thugs. I don't have a lot of problems with their doors being busted down. I'm just happy that the police got the right houses.
 
Voidwar said:
The 5-0 are not my friends, as not one of them respects my 2nd amendment rights, and I don't give two poops about their losing fight with contraband merchants. They are losing, and I am glad of it.
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Did McGruff take a bite out of you and make you cranky?
 
Alex Libman said:
Which part of IT HAPPENED TO MY FRIENDS AND IT WILL HAPPEN TO ME TOO do you not understand?!

Now - feel sorry for me! All of you! I'm sacrificing myself for your socialist sins donchyaknow! And when Mel Gibson directs a movie about me - see it twice!

:bringit
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Your meds are a bit off.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Did McGruff take a bite out of you and make you cranky?
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Law enforcement officers do not respect the 4th amendment or the 2nd amendment, as a matter of department policy, so they are not my friends.
 
Ethereal said:
1. One person said they had a government agent break down their door. You made the irrational and perplexing request that they prove it. How do they do that, exactly? Please, I'd love to hear this one...
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How is it irrational? Legal documents regarding the issue, reasons they cited for the intrusion, pictures of the door broken down, etc. These would all be things I'd make sure to document if something like that happen to me. You know to prove that it actually happened if I ever needed to make the claim that it did? But then it's obvious that people who aren't being honest about 'government agents breaking down their doors' would only claim such things and then state the standard tin foil hat line that they'd disappear or something would happen to them if they were to provide evidence. It's kind of like people who get abducted by aliens. They never seem to be able to provide the actual probe. Just say that it happened. To some more than once.

2. Assuming the participants in your poll could corroborate
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They can't. That's kind of the thing. I see people use the 'agents breaking into your home' line to support everything from David Koresh killing cops to being 'scared' into paying your taxed but none of these people actually know anyone who this has happened to. And the people they know of are ussually people like. Well. David Koresh.

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As far as Voidwar goes, the hobo is right. I know of people who have had 'government agents' break into their homes but the backstory is ussually related to crime or some violation of the law(mob bosses, crazy christian sects molesting kids etc.) and most of these cases outline how rare such things actually are.
 
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Hatuey said:
As far as Voidwar goes, the hobo is right.
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This would seem to imply that I am thus wrong.

Fancy pointing out where ? Or answering any of my other questions ?
 
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Alex Libman said:
IT HAPPENED TO MY FRIENDS AND IT WILL HAPPEN TO ME TOO
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You know. I read this book a while back called 'The Great Derangement' pretty interesting book about American culture. It had this really interesting passage about people who have realized their lives are boring and irrelevant coming up with the oddest ways to make themselves seem more important to the rest of the world.

One of the behaviors he points out in such people is how a lot of them seem believe in conspiracy theories(think truthers or birthers). Some of these conspiracy theories are in large scale like people who claim 9/11 was carried out by the government. Others were small scale in the sense that the government would be out to get them because they held some sort of knowledge(like for instance what 'really happened in 9/11') about the world the government didn't want anybody to know.

I mean when you break down these theories they seem incredibly interesting and grounded in reality but at the end of the day they are just the concoctions of people with really boring lives trying to make themselves seem more important than they actually are.
 
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Hatuey said:
You know. I read this book a while back called 'The Great Derangement' pretty interesting book about American culture. It had this really interesting passage about people who have realized their lives are boring and irrelevant coming up with the oddest ways to make themselves seem more important to the rest of the world. [...]
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Yes, let's all stop thinking for ourselves and drink the government Kool-Aid, lest we be called deranged... :spin:

Goebbels couldn't have said it better himself. (That's not a personal attack.)
 
Hatuey said:
Well let's see here :

- We have former drug addicts.
- We have former marines.
- We have people with really rare medical conditions
- We have Nazis.
- We have racists.
- We have black people.
- We even have libertarians.

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We have all these groups who are 'minorities' from the American landscape but not a single person in this entire forum has ever had any 'government agent' bust down their door. It's mostly a fact finding mission to see if this happens as often as people throw it out. You know. The government is coming to take your guns. Pay taxes or the government will come after you. However, I've never even so much as seen one of these government agents who are just ready to come get average Joe for whatever small reason. It's pretty interesting.
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What's your point? It doesn't happen often and yes some extremists are very much chicken little screaming, "The sky is falling and our government is marching towards totalitarianism!" But it does happen and the government does ultimately enforce all of its laws by the threat of force.

If you openly defy the government on an issue they decide is serious enough, they will ultimately send agents through your door to arrest you. The reason it doesn't happen more often is because the threat of forced imprisonment, garnished wages, or other government sanctioned penalties is enough to deter most folks from defying the government in the first place or if they do, letting it escalate to the point where government is ready to take a heavy handed approach.
 
The absence of evidence is not.....
 
Let me see. The last "government agent" I let in my personal abode was an advance secret service agent for a visit GHWB made to the new Coast Guard C3 Center in Miami. I had invited him over for drinks. He had been latched onto by a female friend of mine, big red. OooWe, she was something.

Nice guy, by the way.
 
LowRevs said:
Let me see. The last "government agent" I let in my personal abode was an advance secret service agent for a visit GHWB made to the new Coast Guard C3 Center in Miami. I had invited him over for drinks. He had been latched onto by a female friend of mine, big red. OooWe, she was something.

Nice guy, by the way.
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Well then it sounds like that agent did a different kind of "busting" than what the OP was talking about. ;)
 
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