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Why Are We At War With Iraq?

Why are we at war with Iraq

  • Oil

    Votes: 13 54.2%

  • 9/11

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Atomic Bomb

    Votes: 1 4.2%

  • I Don't Know

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
Kandahar said:
OK, let me rephrase: We're much more likely to invade a country with a significant amount of oil than a country with very little oil.
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We've never invaded a country that didn't have large agricultural areas, either. Did we just do it for the 'taters?

Now, I will admit that the fact that the ME has the lion's share of the world's oil reserves, that oil was a factor. It's a factor in the sense that we can't allow most of the world's oil fall into the hands of a bunch of crazies. Without oil, food doesn't get grown, nor does it make it from the field to the kitchen table. In this day and age oil and food are both equative in importance to the stability of the globe.
 
apdst said:
Things are getting quieter by the day. They were, anyway, before we decided to leave prematurely.
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We haven't left, and we'd have to leave some time...Prematurely....when is it mature? WTF are we even doing there still? Things are bloodier than ever, we've expanded back into Afghanistan because apparently we didn't think we should finish up there before starting a pointless war in Iraq, and now people are even talking of expanding further. For Christ's sake, enough is enough. We're behind the cue ball on this one...we put ourselves there. Imperialism just isn't our strong suit.
 
Ikari said:
We haven't left, and we'd have to leave some time...Prematurely....when is it mature? WTF are we even doing there still? Things are bloodier than ever, we've expanded back into Afghanistan because apparently we didn't think we should finish up there before starting a pointless war in Iraq, and now people are even talking of expanding further. For Christ's sake, enough is enough. We're behind the cue ball on this one...we put ourselves there. Imperialism just isn't our strong suit.
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We're still there, because if had left a few years ago, the country would fall into chaos and we would have to go back and start all over again.
 
apdst said:
That's right and there are billions of barrels of oil in Africa, so the whole, "it's all about the oil", notion is flawed.
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No, Africa is a bit bigger than Iraq, and we'd need to get that oil out. But the entire notion that we're bringing freedom and democracy is flawed because we haven't attempted it for the most oppressed people, just that which can get us a foothold into one of the largest oil producing areas on earth.
 
apdst said:
We're still there, because if had left a few years ago, the country would fall into chaos and we would have to go back and start all over again.
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Fall into chaos? It seems to me we put it there and never got it out. And why the hell would we have to go back there?
 
Ikari said:
Fall into chaos? It seems to me we put it there and never got it out. And why the hell would we have to go back there?
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We would go back sooner, or later, because it was obviously Saddam's ambition to rule more than just Iraq.
 
apdst said:
We would go back sooner, or later, because it was obviously Saddam's ambition to rule more than just Iraq.
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Is it now? And you base that on? Also...Saddam is dead. Just FYI. So why would we have to go back?
 
jr602az said:
All you have to do is vote and explain why:)
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Not everyone can do a successful poll. It takes skill. At least put an "other" option in there. I refuse to vote in your poll.
 
jr602az said:
Come on how can you say that we are not at war. Dude people dieing out there.
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There may well be a war, but it's not the US at war with Iraq
apdst said:
We created the oppurtunity to draw 40 thousand jihadists into the open so we could kill them and we're in a very strategically advantagous position in the ME.
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^LOLz^
on a few levels
If they were "in the open" we'd be done already.

We don't have the wherewithal to do anything but what we're doing at the moment--that's not very advantageous at all. We can't just up and out of Iraq no matter what some may like to think. Those resources are tied down there and cannot be allocated elsewhere.
There's more, but that's the nutshell.
 
Ikari said:
Is it now? And you base that on? Also...Saddam is dead. Just FYI. So why would we have to go back?
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Well there's Iran, Kuwait, the Kurds. There's also a reason why he's dead
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Well there's Iran, Kuwait, the Kurds. There's also a reason why he's dead
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Iran and Iraq have had quite a rocky history. It's one of the reasons we supported and helped the Ba'athists take control of Iraq. Kuwait side drilled into Iraq to steal their oil. Invasion is well over reaction, but had proper diplomacy been in place we could have stopped them. Kurds are probably the only legitimate thing up there, but we don't really go against any other country which horribly abuses its people; so we can't really use that as an excuse.

The reason Saddam is dead is because we went in to Iraq, overthrew the government, destabilized the area, and allowed the people to off him.
 
apdst said:
We didn't force them become jihadists. They made that decision on their own. They made a concious decision to go to Iraq and kill American soldiers and Iraqi women and children.
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They would never have been a problem if we had stayed out of Iraq. We did create them by invading Iraq. Also most of them did not go to Iraq, many of them were already there. They were mostly citizens of Iraq who did not like another country occupying theirs.
 
jr602az said:
All you have to do is vote and explain why:)
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Ask the question: Why are we at war with Islamic Anal RententiveTerrorist Suicidal Butt-Wipes in Iraq? :lol: Better there, than here.:lol:
 
Realist1 said:
Ask the question: Why are we at war with Islamic Anal RententiveTerrorist Suicidal Butt-Wipes in Iraq? :lol: Better there, than here.:lol:
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The ones who were already there never would have bothered us. The ones that would have came from other countries.
 
ScottD said:
The ones who were already there never would have bothered us. The ones that would have came from other countries.
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Someone is eventually going to start a full blown re-hash of Iraq so let's start it here.

Israel feared WMD's and would have attacked Iraq in self defense, starting a massive M.E. eruption, if we had not preempted their attack.
 
So... if Iraq was for oil... we've definitely been swindled, because I don't think we've gotten a drop from there yet.
 
jr602az said:
All you have to do is vote and explain why:)
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We're currently in Iraq, as a military presence, because our last president was a corrupt and evil liar.
We are not "at war" with Iraq, to my knowledge; we are merely there to aid the Iraqis in rebuilding their nation. We're just about done with that now, and at this point we're moving our stuff out. We have a lot of stuff there, however, and it will take us more than a year to get it all out.

That's my understanding of the situation, at any rate.
 
Dav said:
So... if Iraq was for oil... we've definitely been swindled, because I don't think we've gotten a drop from there yet.
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We secured the flow of oil to the industrialized world and stabilized the global markets.
 
We are at war with anybody who gets in the way of our agenda, and Iraq was at the time.
 
ScottD said:
The ones who were already there never would have bothered us. The ones that would have came from other countries.
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Please,,,Islamic Terrorist Butt-Heads kill eachother every day in Iraq. One Idiot Sect, killing another idiot Sect every damm day.:roll: Rarely a day goes by without some idiot blowing itself for "allah", for whatever primitive and barbaric "reason" it's pathetic mind came up with.:doh
 
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Ikari said:
Iran and Iraq have had quite a rocky history. It's one of the reasons we supported and helped the Ba'athists take control of Iraq. Kuwait side drilled into Iraq to steal their oil. Invasion is well over reaction, but had proper diplomacy been in place we could have stopped them. Kurds are probably the only legitimate thing up there, but we don't really go against any other country which horribly abuses its people; so we can't really use that as an excuse..
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None of this changes Sadamm's imperialist tendencies. There was no legitimate reason to invade Kuwait or Iran.

Ikari said:
The reason Saddam is dead is because we went in to Iraq, overthrew the government, destabilized the area, and allowed the people to off him.
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Ending the chance for him to grab Middle East dominance
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
None of this changes Sadamm's imperialist tendencies. There was no legitimate reason to invade Kuwait or Iran.
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Nope, but Iraq wasn't the initial aggressor in the Kuwait thing. And that Iran/Iraq thing had been going on for some time, in which we backed Iraq.

DrunkenAsparagus said:
Ending the chance for him to grab Middle East dominance
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He never would have gotten it, even if he tried. It's a foolish reason to excuse forever war.
 
bhkad said:
Israel feared WMD's and would have attacked Iraq in self defense, starting a massive M.E. eruption, if we had not preempted their attack.
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B.S. None of that would have happened, and if so then let Israel sort it out. I mean, if all this is for them, will they reimburse us the trillions of dollars we spent? Iraq was/is a pointless war.
 
apdst said:
We've never invaded a country that didn't have large agricultural areas, either. Did we just do it for the 'taters?

Now, I will admit that the fact that the ME has the lion's share of the world's oil reserves, that oil was a factor. It's a factor in the sense that we can't allow most of the world's oil fall into the hands of a bunch of crazies. Without oil, food doesn't get grown, nor does it make it from the field to the kitchen table. In this day and age oil and food are both equative in importance to the stability of the globe.
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I agree, that's what I mean. I don't believe that we invade Iraq BECAUSE of oil, in the sense that someone in the State Department concluded that war = cheaper oil. But it was definitely caused by oil in a more indirect sense, like the one you describe here.
 
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