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Would you utilize the public option?

Will you utilize the public healthcare option?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 26.7%

  • No

    Votes: 19 42.2%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 14 31.1%
  • Total voters
    45
liblady said:
wow......why is opting, and paying for, a public option considered mooching? MOST of us pay taxes.
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I see no option wherein I can choose not to pay for a public option via my taxes. Ergo, people on a public option that I am being forced to pay for are mooching off me via the government.
 
I voted maybe.

At this point it's pretty impossible to determine what the specific benefits/costs will be of both the public option and the private insurance options in the future. The public option simply doesn't exist yet. The private insurance companies are likely to change their benefits and plans.

How I pick insurance is I pick the best plan for my needs. Depending on person, that can be high deductible, low deductible, any doctor/only network doctors, price, and so on. It's entirely possible that the public option will be cheaper than the private option and both will provide a plan that will satisfy my needs. The opposite is also just as likely. And there's also the chance either the public policy will not or the private policy will not offer a plan that meets my needs. Perhaps the public option will be too minimalist and I'm willing to pay more for better insurance.
 
I would be more than happy to go on public care. Unfortunately, with the way it is written now, I would not qualify.
 
rivrrat said:
I see no option wherein I can choose not to pay for a public option via my taxes. Ergo, people on a public option that I am being forced to pay for are mooching off me via the government.
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Umm. Didn't you just say that you are uninsured? So unless you are extremely wealthy, your health care will be assumed by tax payers should you experience a devastating illness or accident. Aren't you a potential "mooch"?
 
Voidwar said:
So did you deliberately use a red herring as a distraction or . . . .



Simply false. If they WERE the same thing, he would have been able to answer the original question



Still don't understand a red herring eh ?
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Keep shuffling. :rofl
 
Keep Peddling Fish, but plz, do it downwind.
 
Cassandra said:
Umm. Didn't you just say that you are uninsured? So unless you are extremely wealthy, your health care will be assumed by tax payers should you experience a devastating illness or accident. Aren't you a potential "mooch"?
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LOL I'm not a "potential" anything of the sort. When I incur medical costs, I pay them off just like any other bill. I make monthly payments until the bill is paid. If I incur a major medical cost, I will do the same thing - negotiate a monthly payment plan. Just like I would with any other business that operates on credit.
 
rivrrat said:
LOL I'm not a "potential" anything of the sort. When I incur medical costs, I pay them off just like any other bill. I make monthly payments until the bill is paid. If I incur a major medical cost, I will do the same thing - negotiate a monthly payment plan. Just like I would with any other business that operates on credit.
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There is big gap in your logic.

Depending on your income, a bank may not feel that you can afford a half a million dollar loan.
The hospital has no choice and will certainly make up the loss by charging more to others. And illness/accident usually entails loss of income.
 
rivrrat said:
LOL I'm not a "potential" anything of the sort. When I incur medical costs, I pay them off just like any other bill. I make monthly payments until the bill is paid. If I incur a major medical cost, I will do the same thing - negotiate a monthly payment plan. Just like I would with any other business that operates on credit.
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Thank you

A negotiation which assumes you are going to continue to be a viable proposition to continue funding your debt rather than taking your house. Lets hope your illness is merely a six week stay over followed by a swift return to work!


Otherwise..uh oh.
 
Cassandra said:
There is big gap in your logic.

Depending on your income, a bank may not feel that you can afford a half a million dollar loan.
The hospital has no choice and will certainly make up the loss by charging more to others. And illness/accident usually entails loss of income.
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The hospital most certainly does have a choice.

You're assuming a loss because you're assuming that I wouldn't make good on my debt. You are assuming a lot and you are very much incorrect in your assumptions. I simply pay what I can monthly until I get it paid off. It's how I have always done it. Hospitals have, in my experience, been very willing to work out payment plans. I've never had an issue, neither have my family members. When my grandfather had to have a quadruple bypass, they made payment arrangements with the hospital. *shrug* It's the hospital's choice to do so. It was their choice to do the surgery and their choice to work out a payment plan. Worked out just fine for all involved. I don't know why you assume that just because some people ignore their debts that everyone will. Oddly enough, I find that it's the people who cry the most for a nationalized health care that are the ones most likely to ignore a debt.
 
creation said:
Thank you

A negotiation which assumes you are going to continue to be a viable proposition to continue funding your debt rather than taking your house. Lets hope your illness is merely a six week stay over followed by a swift return to work!


Otherwise..uh oh.
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I don't have a house, hon. I don't have anything that "they" can "take". They will accept my monthly payments, they always have.
 
rivrrat said:
I don't have a house, hon. I don't have anything that "they" can "take". They will accept my monthly payments, they always have.
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Thank you.

Are you comfortable in this state of self assurance about the future?

Do you recognise that most Americans do have houses and want to keep them?
 
creation said:
Thank you.

Are you comfortable in this state of self assurance about the future?
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Yes. I am comfortable with paying my debts to a debtor in a monthly fashion. I am comfortable with a business (i.e., a hospital) deciding to offer me a service at a price and I am comfortable with negotiating a payment plan to pay for said service I received from them. I am also comfortable with a business (i.e., a hospital) deciding they don't wish to offer a service to me - for any reason whatsoever. And, I am comfortable, should that ever be the case, with appealing to charities -that I have likely donated to over the years - for assistance.

In other words, I am very comfortable with people who perform a service expecting payment for their services rendered. And I am very comfortable with a business utilizing payment plans to obtain said payments for said services.


Do you recognise that most Americans do have houses and want to keep them?
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Then they should be sure to make their monthly payments on their debt.
 
rivrrat said:
Yes. I am comfortable with paying my debts to a debtor in a monthly fashion. I am comfortable with a business (i.e., a hospital) deciding to offer me a service at a price and I am comfortable with negotiating a payment plan to pay for said service I received from them. I am also comfortable with a business (i.e., a hospital) deciding they don't wish to offer a service to me - for any reason whatsoever. And, I am comfortable, should that ever be the case, with appealing to charities -that I have likely donated to over the years - for assistance.

In other words, I am very comfortable with people who perform a service expecting payment for their services rendered. And I am very comfortable with a business utilizing payment plans to obtain said payments for said services.




Then they should be sure to make their monthly payments on their debt.
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Thank you,

are you comfortable with being refused by a charity for whatever reason?


Are you quite sure this easy answer is applicable to all circumstances?
 
MikeVFF said:
Due to the assumed intellectual characteristics of the users on this forum due to your pursuit of "intellectual" debate, most of you probably have jobs and already have healthcare, I was interested in real numbers on the consumer base of the public option. Please vote truthfully.
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There isn't going to be a public option...it was taken off the bill.
 
creation said:
Thank you,

are you comfortable with being refused by a charity for whatever reason?


Are you quite sure this easy answer is applicable to all circumstances?
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There is no answer that applies to all circumstances. At best you can come up with many general answers for typical or predictable circumstances, but no one single answer will ever cover everything.
 
Jerry said:
There is no answer that applies to all circumstances. At best you can come up with many general answers for typical or predictable circumstances, but no one single answer will ever cover everything.
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Are you sure Jerry?

After all, so many Americans seem to think as riverrat does that ;

Then they should be sure to make their monthly payments on their debt.
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So many people cant be this idiotic can they? or can they?
 
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