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Would you utilize the public option?

Will you utilize the public healthcare option?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 26.7%

  • No

    Votes: 19 42.2%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 14 31.1%
  • Total voters
    45
CaptainCourtesy said:
Already answered.
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Simple falsehood.

Your post :

CaptainCourtesy said:
I work with insurance companies daily. Sad to say I would trust the government before I would trust an insurance company.
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My post:

Voidwar said:
And to whom would one appeal a breached contract ?
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Your attempt to substitute terminology and spin a tale :

CaptainCourtesy said:
When one appeals a denial of benefits with the insurance company, one would appeal to the insurance company. When one would appeal a denial of benefits with a public option, one would appeal to the agency in charge of the public option...similar to appealing to Medicare, now.
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You did not answer my question.
You substituted your own, about "denial of benefits" and then answered that.

This lesson is free.
 
Voidwar said:
Simple falsehood.

Your post :



My post:



Your attempt to substitute terminology and spin a tale :



You did not answer my question.
You substituted your own, about "denial of benefits" and then answered that.

This lesson is free.
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You must have missed this comment:

CaptainCourtesy said:
You have an insurance plan. You have specific benefits that you are allowed. Your doctor deems a procedure medically necessary. It is in your benefit package. Your insurance company states that, in their opinion, the procedure is not medically necessary. They refuse to honor the benefits in your plan. What does this sound like to you?
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Now, if this is NOT what you are talking about, my question requests you to present some clarification, preferable with your own example. It would be real simple for you to say, "no, that is not what I meant...what I meant was..."

Clarification, Voidwar. Give it a try.
 
Voidwar said:
Do you really think I did ? :roll:
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Still never answered the clarification question, Voidwar. If that's not what you meant, then tell us what you mean.
 
Voidwar said:
Refraining from terminology substitution, why don't you give that a try ?
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No, no, no, Voidwar, you and I have been down this path before. You make a statement, I respond, my response doesn't match your statement, so I ask you to define your terms. You then go round and round avoiding that for as long as you can. If you want to debate the topic, tell us what you mean. If you just want posture and attempt to bully, you should know by know I am impervious to your bullying, so it will be wasted effort.

Please tell us what you mean, by example, when you say "breach of contract" in the context of this discussion.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Still never answered the clarification question, Voidwar.
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YOU, are the one who hasn't answered the first question asked, as I have already proven.

Voidwar said:
Your post :
CaptainCourtesy said:
I work with insurance companies daily. Sad to say I would trust the government before I would trust an insurance company.
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My post:
Voidwar said:
And to whom would one appeal a breached contract ?
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Your attempt to substitute terminology and spin a tale :
CaptainCourtesy said:
When one appeals a denial of benefits with the insurance company, one would appeal to the insurance company. When one would appeal a denial of benefits with a public option, one would appeal to the agency in charge of the public option...similar to appealing to Medicare, now.
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You did not answer my question.
You substituted your own, about "denial of benefits" and then answered that.

This lesson is free.
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CaptainCourtesy said:
No, no, no, Voidwar, you and I have been down this path before. You make a statement, I respond, my response doesn't match your statement,
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And it doesn't match because what you attempt there is called terminology substitution, and I reject the underhanded tactic every time.
 
So, you've chosen posturing over debate and clarification. Typical. Perhaps, like the last time we went round and round like this, you really don't know what you meant by "breach of contract" and that's why you refuse to clarify.
 
Voidwar said:
No, YOU have chosen to avoid my question, for two pages.

Your post:

My post:
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Answered. You didn't like my answer OR it didn't match with what you meant. If it is the former, too bad. If it is the latter, clarify what you meant. Or, you could continue to posture. It looks kinda ridiculous. Or you could explain what your resistance to clarifying your terms is. NOW THAT would be novel.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Answered.
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Already proven false.

Voidwar said:
Your attempt to substitute terminology and spin a tale :

CaptainCourtesy said:
When one appeals a denial of benefits with the insurance company, one would appeal to the insurance company. When one would appeal a denial of benefits with a public option, one would appeal to the agency in charge of the public option...similar to appealing to Medicare, now.
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You did not answer my question.
You substituted your own, about "denial of benefits" and then answered that.
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Voidwar said:
Already proven false.
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Don't like the answer? Too bad. Or clarify your statement as I have requested. OR continue to play your silly games. Your choice.
 
Lots and lots of questions, but mine was FIRST

You know you didn't answer my question.

So does anyone reading the thread.

Here's some other questions you might want to address.

Why did you feel the need to make up your own question, and answer that instead ?

Why did you attempt terminology substitution ?

Why are you so desperately avoiding THIS question, as phrased ?

CaptainCourtesy said:
I work with insurance companies daily. Sad to say I would trust the government before I would trust an insurance company.
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Voidwar said:
And to whom would one appeal a breached contract ?
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MikeVFF said:
I would. Insurance companies are a business, and if they do not offer quality health insurance, you can always choose a different health insurance company.
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You are very naive.


:doh What decision are you referring to? If your talking about health care costs consider this: If a heath insurance company "decides" to"raise your cost", why would you stick with that insurer? You have the freedom to pick a new one, instead of having a real clown in our government making decisions that they have no real qualifications to make. And people wonder why the government spends so inefficiently...
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Sadly, you are wrong on several scores. In many states the individual market is a near monopoly. If you don't like the company due to the fact that they dub your claim a "pre-existing condition", you are flat out-a -luck. If you are sick (or run a small business with older, sicker employees) the company WANTS you to drop the insurance and no company is gonna offer you an affordable plan.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
When one appeals a denial of benefits with the insurance company, one would appeal to the insurance company. When one would appeal a denial of benefits with a public option, one would appeal to the agency in charge of the public option...similar to appealing to Medicare, now.
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When one appeals the denial of benefits with the insurance companies and is not satisfied they have the option of our court systems.

With a GOVERNMENT plan you won’t be able to take them to court; it’s one of the methods they will reduce costs. Good luck with those appeals to faceless and non-caring Government workers who will be so overwhelmed they want give a crapola. :doh

I find the notion that the Government will care more than a private corporation who relies on customers to stay in business amusing but also dangerously uninformed and naive.
 
Re: Lots and lots of questions, but mine was FIRST

Voidwar said:
You know you didn't answer my question.

So does anyone reading the thread.

Here's some other questions you might want to address.

Why did you feel the need to make up your own question, and answer that instead ?

Why did you attempt terminology substitution ?

Why are you so desperately avoiding THIS question, as phrased ?
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People reading this thread are watching you do what you always do: avoiding the issue and avoiding clarifying your terms...probably because you know you can't.

So, are you going to indicate what you meant by "breaching the contract" since you didn't like my answer or are you going to continue to avoid the issue?
 
I am always amused by the notion that Government can manage anything with any level of competence or efficiency at lower costs and that they can be more trusted and that they will more fairly deal with complaints.

If you are 16 I can understand such naïve notions; but usually by the time you reach adulthood, one is better informed than this.

:doh
 
Re: Lots and lots of questions, but mine was FIRST

CaptainCourtesy said:
People reading this thread are watching you do what you always do.
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No, CC, they are watching you dance as fast as you can.

I asked you a question, and you then made up your own question, using terminology substitution, and answered that.

I called you on it, and posted direct proof of what you were doing and where, , ,

then you avoided the original question for 3 pages.

It's there for all to read.
 
Re: Lots and lots of questions, but mine was FIRST

Voidwar said:
No, CC, they are watching you dance as fast as you can.

I asked you a question, and you then made up your own question, using terminology substitution, and answered that.

I called you on it, and posted direct proof of what you were doing and where, , ,

then you avoided the original question for 3 pages.

It's there for all to read.
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if you didn't like my terminology substitution...which is consistent when dealing with insurance companies, then why don't you just clarify what you mean? It would be real easy to do that, Voidwar. Why all the avoidance?
 
Truth Detector said:
I am always amused by the notion that Government can manage anything with any level of competence or efficiency at lower costs and that they can be more trusted and that they will more fairly deal with complaints.

If you are 16 I can understand such naïve notions; but usually by the time you reach adulthood, one is better informed than this.

:doh
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Deal with Medicare. Then deal with Oxford. When you do both, you'll understand.
 
Stomped You Flatter than Unborn Origami

CaptainCourtesy said:
So, are you going to indicate what you meant by "breaching the contract" since you didn't like my answer
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You didn't give an answer, and you know it.

You substituted terminology to make up your own question, and then answered that.

CaptainCourtesy said:
or are you going to continue to avoid the issue?
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YOU are the one avoiding the issue, as I have proven over and over with the direct quotes.
 
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