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The Democrat's true interest

Does the Democratic party have the best interest of the USA and the Constitution in m

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 48.6%
  • No

    Votes: 15 42.9%
  • Other (?)

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Total voters
    35

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Does the Democratic party have the best interest of this country, The United States of America, and our country's constitution in mind? I will leave my opinion out until the poll has been answered to.

Interested in DP's view on this subject...
 
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Does the Democratic party have the best interest of this country, The United States of America,

Sometimes.

MikeVFF said:
and our country's constitution in mind?

Sometimes.

My answers are the same for the Republican Party, by the way.
 
Well the Democrats just like the Republicans are capitalists. The main difference between the parties is that the democrats believe in occasionally throwing working class people a bone through a social program here and there to quell dissent (and to a much lesser extent help people) whereas the Republicans believe that the working class will basically tolerate any injustice imposed on them and that working people are too dumb for the rich to need to worry about rebellion.

They're marginally different approaches to the same ends, namely the exploitation of labor and the expansion of capital. The constitution always proves all but completely flexible in this pursuit and has since the founding of the nation. If you think that this is in America's best interest, well, yes I believe they pretty much always have that in mind.

If, by contrast, you consider that the interests of the working class are at least in some marginal way relevant to the well being of this country then no, neither party very often has America's best interest in mind in that sense. IMHO
 
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Well the Democrats just like the Republicans are capitalists. The main difference between the parties is that the democrats believe in occasionally throwing working class people a bone through a social program here and there to quell dissent (and to a much lesser extent help people) whereas the Republicans believe that the working class will basically tolerate any injustice imposed on them and that working people are too dumb for the rich to need to worry about rebellion.

Well, that's a wonderful mindless hyper partisan definition of it that looks through a singular world view and immedietely cries out "THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY" without any intellectual thought.

Perhaps the more fair and reasoned way to actually say it is that Democrats feel that throwing a bone to the working class to quell dissent and to help people is good...where as Republicans believe that by giving people things for free from the government, which is done by taking things from others, you create decentive for people on both sides of the equation and artificially stifle productivity, self reliance, self responsability, and people attempting to strive for something more.
 
Does the Democratic party have the best interest of this country, The United States of America, and our country's constitution in mind? I will leave my opinion out until the poll has been answered to.

Interested in DP's view on this subject...

Well, first you said the Democrat Party.

Personally, I think the party itself, on both sides, is as concerned with getting their people elected. They do this because they think their side is best for the country, but I worry on the party level that the overriding need to get elected has sacrificed the other part a bit.

But in general, "democrats", like your average democrat voters? Yeah, I think in general democrats do have our countries best interest at heart and care about our constitution. I think they believe differently in what would be best for the country, which is where the issue comes in with republicans. Likewise, I think they have specific parts of the constitution they're rigid about, with other parts they think of as a more guide or antiquainted...so a clear "yes" or "no" doesn't work on it.

In general I think the same with republicans. In regards to the constitution thing, I can point to a number of republicans on this board running around in the past years screaming how "the constitution isn't a suicide pact" and using it as justification for why its completely okay to ignore and break parts of the constitution at times, while at the same time talking about how the 2nd amendment can not be infringed at all. Both sides have portions of the constitution that are steadfast for them and parts where they're rationalize a reason to bend.

I think there is very few people that truly push their political ideas because they think it will be BAD for this country. I think most people hold the ideas they have because they think it will be better for people, its just that different people view different things as potentially being "Good".
 
I picked other.Only when it suits their interest, other than that no. Same applies to the republicans. Democrats if they are trying to toss the salad of anti-American scum they will try to ban or severely restrict certain rights, sell the country out to illegals and are just as guilty as the republicans are when it comes to outsourcing. Usually with the republicans if they are trying to toss the salad of anti-American scum then they try to sell this country out to illegals, let foreign companies and countries run our ports and outsource to other countries.
 
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Does the Democratic party have the best interest of this country, The United States of America, and our country's constitution in mind? I will leave my opinion out until the poll has been answered to.

Interested in DP's view on this subject...

Just like the GOP, the Democrats do not have the best interest of the country or Constitution in mind. They have their best interests in mind, their power and ways to grow and keep it. The Republocrats operate in this manner, it's not about the People, it's about them closing off the system, pretending that there are two parties, and never letting go of their power and strangle hold over our government.
 
I think the Dems are doing what 'they think is in the best interest of the country'

I just disagree with them. So i voted yes
 
My point in this thread is, I believe the true intentions of both political parties (but really more so on the Democrats side, because most people relize the republicans represent a very small percentage of the american people after the travesties in the last GOP administration) is of course personal gain. The Democrats seem to do what is "right for the people" and use the benefit of the people of america as a whole to push their agenda, yet seem to have NO RESPECT whatsoever for the foundations and true embodiment of the USA and the CONSTITUTION of our country. This deeply disturbs me, and it bothers me even more that so many people voted yes without providing an explanation. I cant believe people actually support someone who wants to deteriorate the foundations of our country and "change" it to something else...
 
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The Democratic party's 'true interest' is to gain and maintain as much political power as it can.
Everything it does is a means to that end.
 
The Democratic party's 'true interest' is to gain and maintain as much political power as it can.
Everything it does is a means to that end.

I beleive you just described just about every politician on the planet
 
I beleive you just described just about every politician on the planet
However true that may be, the issue here is the motivation of Democratic part, and my post certainly decribes it.

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Concerned for the country... yes and misguided; concern for the US Constitution....no.
 
Well...progressive income tax is technically against the constitution, because Article I. Section 8 states that all taxes must be uniform:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States
I don't see how giving richer people higher tax rates can be supported by the constitution. And democrats seem to be more supportive of a progressive income tax.
 
Well...progressive income tax is technically against the constitution, because Article I. Section 8 states that all taxes must be uniform:

I don't see how giving richer people higher tax rates can be supported by the constitution. And democrats seem to be more supportive of a progressive income tax.

I have a question, that section includes taxes when saying Congress can do it but when it talks about things being uniform it doesn't say taxes, so does it gave to be uniform if it doesn't say taxes?
 
Smetimesyes, sometimes no. They're a political party, so one of their primary interests of obviously the welfare of the party and increasing it's strength, power and scope, as well as their own standing within the party. And I'd say that about all parties. They arent always going to be focused on our interests and welfare. We need to hold their feet to the fire when they lapse, and make it clear that as our employees, their position isn't guaranteed unless they keep us happy.

Although I cetainly trust the Democrats more than I do the Republicans, in terms of minimising the US's danger to the rest of the world. So my opinion of them is obviously higher.
 
Well...progressive income tax is technically against the constitution, because Article I. Section 8 states that all taxes must be uniform:

I don't see how giving richer people higher tax rates can be supported by the constitution. And democrats seem to be more supportive of a progressive income tax.

Look at that section closely. It grants Congress the power to lay and collect four types of revenue: Taxes, duties, imposts, and excises. But it only says that duties, imposts, and excises must be uniform; they specifically did not include taxes on that list. I highly doubt this was just an oversight on their part...I would interpret this section as an acknowledgment that taxes will NOT necessarily always be uniform.
 
I think both parties have the ideals that the constitution entitles. By debating and creating new arguments, deciding over factors and voting, we are continuing the ideals of the Constitution.
 
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