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Have the Republican Gone Too Far in Criticizing Obama

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The idea is this: Any party out of power is going to be critical of those in power. This is the natural order, and simply put, it's easier to get a negative message out, and often more effective. What I wonder these days is if the natural tendency to do this has not escalated to the point where it will end up hurting the republicans. For some examples:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-political-scandal-du-jour/47470-first-lady-michelle-obama-steps-out-lanvin-sneakers-theyre-only-540-a.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/49268-obamas-date-night-new-york-city-draws-criticism-edited.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-political-scandal-du-jour/46201-obama-disgrace-bows-another-leader-wtf.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/55529-president-obama-s-address-students-across-america-september-8-2009-a.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/38541-53-reasons-obama-ineligable-election-fraud-mccain-too-old.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/51755-so-where-obama-born-again-hosp.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-political-platforms/49510-emergence-president-obamas-muslim-roots.html

Stepping away from our liberal or conservatives ideologies, how do you think the independents and middle of the road types view these types of attacks? Is making attacks on these type of issues the right thing to do for republicans, is it going too far and going to hurt republicans, or won't it have any effect?

Edit: poll added.
 
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I personally hope that it does hurt them. And in it's place a new party forms. But not because of the criticism that they have given Obama. I personally think that he deserves 98.9% of it. I think that both the Democrats and the Republicans need to be replaced.
 
There definitely can be some blowback from this kitchen sink approach they are trying.

It didn't work for Hillary.
 
The idea is this: Any party out of power is going to be critical of those in power. This is the natural order, and simply put, it's easier to get a negative message out, and often more effective. What I wonder these days is if the natural tendency to do this has not escalated to the point where it will end up hurting the republicans. For some examples:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-political-scandal-du-jour/47470-first-lady-michelle-obama-steps-out-lanvin-sneakers-theyre-only-540-a.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/49268-obamas-date-night-new-york-city-draws-criticism-edited.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-political-scandal-du-jour/46201-obama-disgrace-bows-another-leader-wtf.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/55529-president-obama-s-address-students-across-america-september-8-2009-a.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/38541-53-reasons-obama-ineligable-election-fraud-mccain-too-old.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/51755-so-where-obama-born-again-hosp.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-political-platforms/49510-emergence-president-obamas-muslim-roots.html

Stepping away from our liberal or conservatives ideologies, how do you think the independents and middle of the road types view these types of attacks? Is making attacks on these type of issues the right thing to do for republicans, is it going too far and going to hurt republicans, or won't it have any effect?

Edit: poll added.


Some of that stuff is no different than what the Bush bashers did when Bush was in office. Although for every one lie about about Obama made by die hard Obama bashers you can find several lies about Bush made by die hard Bush bashers(to be fair though Obama is still in his first year). For example-

Obama is a muslim
Obama is not a natural born citizen

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It was despicable when the die hard Bush bashers did this sort of nonsense and it is just as despicable when the die hard Obama bashers do this kind of nonsense.
 
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Some of that stuff is no different than what the Bush bashers did when Bush was in office. Although for every one lie about about Obama made by die hard Obama bashers you can find several lies about Bush made by die hard Bush bashers(to be fair though Obama is still in his first year). For example-

Obama is a muslim
Obama is not a natural born citizen




It was despicable when the die hard Bush bashers did this sort of nonsense and it is just as despicable when the die hard Obama bashers do this kind of nonsense.

I am not debating that point(though I will quickly point out that was 8 years vs how many months for Obama), but that is not the question. You are right, those who go too far criticizing Bush, well, they went too far. What I want to know though, is in this case, this many of what looks to me to be trivial and silly things in this short of time, it it too much?
 
Your Kidding right hell the first week that Mr. W Bush was in office teh Left was attacking him and hasn't let up since.

All the threads you cite have legitment discussion nothing triva about them.

As for the whole Birth Cert. let me just make this one statement for three years the Democrat keep asking for Mr. Bush to release his Military records to prove that he didn't go AWOL after they became public the story died and it cost Dan Rather his Job. Now if I was someoen with-in the upperpart of the DNC I would be telling Mr. Obama to order allof his records to be release including the Long Form Birth Cert. this would either kill the story or cause another more damaging story.
 
Your Kidding right hell the first week that Mr. W Bush was in office teh Left was attacking him and hasn't let up since.

All the threads you cite have legitment discussion nothing triva about them.

As for the whole Birth Cert. let me just make this one statement for three years the Democrat keep asking for Mr. Bush to release his Military records to prove that he didn't go AWOL after they became public the story died and it cost Dan Rather his Job. Now if I was someoen with-in the upperpart of the DNC I would be telling Mr. Obama to order allof his records to be release including the Long Form Birth Cert. this would either kill the story or cause another more damaging story.

Again, I am not right now talking about what happened under Bush. I am talking about current events.
 
I am not debating that point(though I will quickly point out that was 8 years vs how many months for Obama), but that is not the question.


Didn't liberals harp on Sarah Palin's clothes, her kids, her church(even though they have never said or did anything controversial) and made fun of her extensively on Saturday night live and other shows?

You are right, those who go too far criticizing Bush, well, they went too far.
What I want to know though, is in this case, this many of what looks to me to be trivial and silly things in this short of time, it it too much?

I think it is just the new standard in political bashing. Although I could be wrong, people probably lied about Clinton, before Clinton people probably lied about the other Bush, then Reagan and so on.
 
Yep, people unfairly attacked Bush and he got re-elected.

Something to think about...
 
Again, I am not right now talking about what happened under Bush. I am talking about current events.

The problem with saying "I want to talk about now, not then" is that nothing happens in a vacuum.
 
Yep, people unfairly attacked Bush and he got re-elected.

Something to think about...

Perhaps we need to start a thread on the glorious Bush years and why he deserved criticism over the term of his entire presidentcy? So we can cover the whole event and not just cherry pick only the parts that the Right finds convenient too talk about...I.E. "we can act like hagemonger idiots because LOOK the left did it too poor innocent George."

Let's explore the Bush years and the reasons for criticism?..
 
The problem with saying "I want to talk about now, not then" is that nothing happens in a vacuum.

Sorta true, but while nothing happens in a vacuum, in this case, it has no bearing on the question I am asking. The question is about the effects of what is happening now, not on the effects of what happened 8 years ago.
 
Sorta true, but while nothing happens in a vacuum, in this case, it has no bearing on the question I am asking. The question is about the effects of what is happening now, not on the effects of what happened 8 years ago.

Well, that would be what I mean about "nothing happens in a vacuum." Of course it has a bearing. You can't just take it all outside the context of the political arena and how it's evolved over the years. What's happening now may simply be the new norm after a decade of evolution.
 
Well, that would be what I mean about "nothing happens in a vacuum." Of course it has a bearing. You can't just take it all outside the context of the political arena and how it's evolved over the years. What's happening now may simply be the new norm after a decade of evolution.

It will only be the norm if it is effective. I agree that this is how politics has been evolving, but I want to know if it has now gone too far. If it has, it won't be effective to my mind...in fact, that is how you could measure too far, if it backfires, it is too far, if it works, it is just right.
 
Legitimate criticism of a President is not only acceptable it is encouraged. People who oppose the President's healthcare plans, economic plans, etc SHOULD speak out in opposition.

Where these nutjob extremists are marginalizing the public is with their silly criticisms, e.g., OMG! Obama is going to speak to school kids about education, OMG! Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, OMG! Obama is a socialist...etc.

I believe that these types of attacks are going to prove to hurt the GOP more than they will help. We are beginning to see this with the latest education "Controversey". Rational and Reasonable people are beginning to see just how ridiculous these right-wings are.
For the sake of the Democrats....I encourage them to keep it up....even find a new controversy to yell and shout about!
 
Yeah, I think folks that criticize Obama over these insignificant non-issues go too far. In fact I find myself arguing more and more with right wingers on how their focus on idiotic partisan hackery is making themselves and all folks who are opposed to Obama's policies look bad. I think there are plenty of important issues where folks can criticize Obama for that they don't need to make up crap about what he eats or what shoes his wife wears or pretending giving a non partisan speech on education is somehow indoctrination of our youth.

That said, Obama is sowing what liberals reaped for eight years under Bush. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but liberals helped create the sort of enviroment that this rancor is thriving in. I find it quite amusing that liberals who participated in or silently watched the inane non-issue attacks and slander against Bush now decry it when it happens to Obama. Just like I find it equally amusing that conservatives who once screamed that opposition was equal to treason now call dissent the highest form of patriotism. Hypocricy knows no political boundaries.
 
This type of thing always happens but it was FAR more common when Bush was prez.
 
Frankly, threads on an internet forum have very little to do with real life and real policy by political leadership in either party. Most of us are otherwise unimportant people who like to read our own babbling, for lack of more constructive hobbies. Posting online is, for the most part, idle chatter by relatively unimportant people (myself included)
 
Frankly, threads on an internet forum have very little to do with real life and real policy by political leadership in either party. Most of us are otherwise unimportant people who like to read our own babbling, for lack of more constructive hobbies. Posting online is, for the most part, idle chatter by relatively unimportant people (myself included)

True & even respected political polls offer very little real insight/forecast as to the future. The ONLY thing that really matters is when the voters actually goto he polls & cast actual votes. Looking at THOSE, the American voter has been overwhelmingly rejecting the GOP since 2006 & there is no reason to believe this will change since they (GOP) insist on sticking with the same rejected message (to their base only) & negative attack message tactics.
The only hope the GOP has is for disaster to befall this country, & they appear to be hoping for just that.
This the corner that Karl Rove style "Slash & Burn" strategy & tactics has boxed the GOP into, & we voters are not so stupid that we don't see it.
 
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LOL you're talking about a bunch of things people posted on a debate board to debate! When I read your subject line, I thought you were actually talking about something that effected people beyond this URL. :rofl These discussions on DP are not going to effect whether or not Obama gets re-elected.
 
LOL you're talking about a bunch of things people posted on a debate board to debate! When I read your subject line, I thought you were actually talking about something that effected people beyond this URL. :rofl These discussions on DP are not going to effect whether or not Obama gets re-elected.

I took the thread topic as including the broader (nationwide) criticism of Obama. Not just this forum's.
 
As I said in some of those threads, I think some of those criticisms are not entirely reasonable, or nit-picky.

I prefer criticisms of substance based on policy or methodology... and there's plenty of material for criticism in those.

As Redress said, it is the nature of things that the party out of power criticizes the party in power. The Dems certainly gnawed on Bush every chance they got, for any reason whatsoever, whether ridiculous or justifiable, or in some cases just plain made-up.

Me, I am about ready to start voting for the Guns-n-Dope party. :mrgreen:
 
Sorta true, but while nothing happens in a vacuum, in this case, it has no bearing on the question I am asking. The question is about the effects of what is happening now, not on the effects of what happened 8 years ago.

Seems to be working...

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Obama’s poll numbers plummet
By Jerry White
3 September 2009
An increasing number of public opinion polls in the US show a sharp decline in popular support for President Obama and his administration’s policies on health care, the war in Afghanistan and the economic crisis. In the nearly eight months since taking office, the euphoria that greeted Obama’s election has largely evaporated.


According to the Rasmussen Presidential Tracking Poll, 53 percent of likely voters disapprove of Obama’s performance. The president—who enjoyed a nearly 70 percent approval rating on Inauguration Day in January 2009—saw his rating fall below 50 percent for the first time in August, dropping to 46 percent.

The Zogby Interactive Poll, which uses a larger sample of likely voters, found that only 42 percent approved of the job Obama is doing. A majority (53 percent) believe the US is headed in the wrong direction, with only 38 percent saying things were heading the right way.

According to New York Times columnist David Brooks, no newly elected American president has ever seen such a rapid and steep decline in the polls. Much of the media, including Brooks, ascribe the fall to the president’s supposed embrace of liberal reformism. The US News & World Report, for example, headlined their report on the approval figures, “Poll: Democrats’ Hard Left Agenda Driving Away Independents.”
Obama?s poll numbers plummet

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I personally hope that it does hurt them. And in it's place a new party forms. But not because of the criticism that they have given Obama. I personally think that he deserves 98.9% of it. I think that both the Democrats and the Republicans need to be replaced.

When the Republicans got handed their asses in the election, they should have stopped and tried to figure out exactly why they lost. Instead, they recommitted themselves to the same policies and positions that cost them the election in the first place and now they're acting like spoiled brats and driving voters even farther away from the party. At this rate, they'll never win a major national political election again. And that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, they haven't earned it, they gave up being conservative and embraced religiously-motivated neo-conism. I don't want them to win as they are now, I want them to fail utterly.

We need a party that is actually conservative and the Republicans as they currently stand aren't it.
 
LOL you're talking about a bunch of things people posted on a debate board to debate! When I read your subject line, I thought you were actually talking about something that effected people beyond this URL. :rofl These discussions on DP are not going to effect whether or not Obama gets re-elected.

I used threads on this board as an example, but every one of the threads correlates to real life arguments among republican party leaders at one time or another.
 
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