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school band T-shirt is pulled

Should this band T-shirt have been pulled?

  • Yes, the parents and the district were right to be offended by this shirt.

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • No, there was nothing wrong with this shirt.

    Votes: 29 93.5%
  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .
DeeJayH said:
why are you so afraid to have your beliefs challenged?
are they so frail, they would crumble.........because of a movie?
a FICTIONAL movie????:shock:
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no i am not afraid I am an out spoken person really (Just look what web site we are on) it is my way of protesting even thought it wont do much
 
Kal'Stang said:
So what if it's offensive to some people. I'm sure that some people consider Mardi Gras to be offensive. Is that ever stopped though? I'm also pretty sure that two men having sex is offensive to some people also. Should we stop that also?

Point being is that just because some may find it offensive doesn't mean that it should be stopped. Read my second sig line. ;)
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Mardi Gras and two men doing the horizontal tango are not tax payer funded efforts.

Kal'Stang said:
Not really. What if students started wearing shirts that said "The gay lifestyle is for me!"? Do you think that they wouldn't be offended and demand its removal?
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They may, they'd be stupid there. That's a student choosing what he wants to wear on his own and as long as it doesn't violate a dress code its fine. However if they made that the band shirt that the band members had to wear for band events, then yes, they would probably be offended and demand the removal and would be in the right.

75Greeno said:
sorry about the spelling I have never been very good at it but I know that the Da Vinci code has nothing to do with evolution I am just saying that it goes in opposition to what I believe
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....do you watch and/or read Star Wars? Lord of the Rings? Harry Potter? Anything involving aliens as superior life forms? Just curious to find out where your baring is on this.
 
Zyphlin said:
....do you watch and/or read Star Wars? Lord of the Rings? Harry Potter? Anything involving aliens as superior life forms? Just curious to find out where your baring is on this.
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yes I do that is different to me because it is not taking the world we live in and then adding these things to it. they are fictional worlds
 
I am sure the T-Shirts would have been perfectly acceptable to the community had they just had alternative explanation for the development of brass instruments on the back of the shirts. Perhaps something like:

"The Creation of Brass" with a picture of a very Western European looking Adam holding a modern Saxophone, and an explanation of how the rods in it could not have resulted from just random mutations, thus it had to have been created by an "Intelligent Designer".
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Whether or not you agree with their beliefs, the shirt was offensive to some people. I disagree that it's a first ammendment issue (science is not religion, and is not opposed to religion - it's just science), but why put an image on a school shirt that parents find offensive?
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The parents and administrators are not mature enough to make this decision. Let the student decide, let then argue it out. They are the ones wearing the shirts...
I have looked at the shirts, IMO, the monkey thing is silly, and, I think it is political.
Let the students decide..
 
75Greeno said:
no way in a million years just like I wont read or watch the devenche code because it is condoning it
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Really? I have a shirt showing the change from monkey to man and the last picture is a dude at an arcade cabinet, I don't think it endorses evolution as much as it endorses going to the arcade and playing games. But whatever.
 
liblady said:
i think your poll questions are misleading. my take is that science is not offensive. but that's just me......
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How is my question misleading?
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Whether or not you agree with their beliefs, the shirt was offensive to some people.
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No, it wasn't.

No one was offended by a parody of a theory, they took it, and used it as an opportunity to push their religious agenda back into schools.

Don't bother peddling the line that anyone was offended. They saw an opportunity to make a stink, and that is the whole of it.
 
75Greeno said:
sorry about the spelling I have never been very good at it but I know that the Da Vinci code has nothing to do with evolution I am just saying that it goes in opposition to what I believe
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It's a book of fiction. How can it go against a belief?
 
Voidwar said:
No, it wasn't.

No one was offended by a parody of a theory, they took it, and used it as an opportunity to push their religious agenda back into schools.

Don't bother peddling the line that anyone was offended. They saw an opportunity to make a stink, and that is the whole of it.
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That's a possibility, but I find it unlikely. In my experience anybody who actually gets upset by evolution is pretty damned easy to offend about issues that they perceive as pertaining to their religion. I don't see any reason to believe this is anything other than some pissy Christians getting all worked up over nothing.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Has anyone seen the movie Jesus Camp? It was set in Missouri. I grew up in this area of the country, in a small town, and it was precisely this backward ass.
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No it wasn't. It's set in Devil's Lake, North Dakota.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
That's a possibility, but I find it unlikely. In my experience anybody who actually gets upset by evolution
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I strenuosly maintain my assertion that it is manufactured indignance.
This was not about evolution's merits, but rather the use of the "concept" of evolving, applied to the changes and innovations in Brass Musical Instruments. There is no legitimate offense to take, because this common image associated with the theory was used in a metaphorical context. The shirt was about changes in musical instruments, not the origin of man.
 
Zyphlin said:
They may, they'd be stupid there. That's a student choosing what he wants to wear on his own and as long as it doesn't violate a dress code its fine. However if they made that the band shirt that the band members had to wear for band events, then yes, they would probably be offended and demand the removal and would be in the right.
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What if the band members made it and all of them agreed (and actually wanted) to wear it? They are all still choosing to wear it on their own. Just like the one student. Just like the band in the OP agreed to wear their shirt. Which also didn't violate a dress code.
 
Redress said:
SO we have an assistant superintendent that thinks that evolution is the same thing as religion. I find that frightening.
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Why even have an assistant superintendent ? Our education system has far too much bureaucracy..
And a superintendent should know this difference between religion and science and just plain silliness..
And BTW, no matter what is printed on a tee-shirt, some man is bound to be "offended".
I say, ignore those in the minority, and let the student decide.
 
Voidwar said:
I strenuosly maintain my assertion that it is manufactured indignance.
This was not about evolution's merits, but rather the use of the "concept" of evolving, applied to the changes and innovations in Brass Musical Instruments. There is no legitimate offense to take, because this common image associated with the theory was used in a metaphorical context. The shirt was about changes in musical instruments, not the origin of man.
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While your argument is quite reasonable and if applied to another group I'd agree without hesitation, I think you underestimate just how incredibly stupid some creationists are. Some of these people get offended when you discuss the evolution of math. These aren't reasonable people who use their brains on a regular basis.

I think some people fall into sander's argument and some into your's on a national basis though.
 
Layla_Z said:
It's a book of fiction. How can it go against a belief?
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Fiction in that sense doesn't mean 'science fiction'. He's talking in the sense that the book makes reference to things which aren't true but are because of his books parroted by conspiracy loons worldwide. Dan Brown is probably one of the most intellectually dishonest writers around. There are a million things the Catholic church can be attacked on which are perfectly legitimate. WWII, child molestation being kept hush-hush, the fact that while millions of Catholics in South America live on less then a dollar a day, the Pope eats like a king and lives in a multibillion dollar estate. All these things? Perfectly legitimate. The books by Dan Brown are child's play and silly attacks at best.
 
Hatuey said:
Fiction in that sense doesn't mean 'science fiction'. He's talking in the sense that the book makes reference to things which aren't true but are because of his books parroted by conspiracy loons worldwide. Dan Brown is probably one of the most intellectually dishonest writers around. There are a million things the Catholic church can be attacked on which are perfectly legitimate. WWII, child molestation being kept hush-hush, the fact that while millions of Catholics in South America live on less then a dollar a day, the Pope eats like a king and lives in a multibillion dollar estate. All these things? Perfectly legitimate. The books by Dan Brown are child's play and silly attacks at best.
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so his fiction writing is not based enough in reality? :confused:
 
Well at least it wasnt a lame racist reaction of some kind. I was halfway through the story before I realized it was not an attack on or about a percieved attack on dear leader.

Its a band shirt. Let em wear whatever.
 
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Hmm.

Personally, I wouldn't have pulled it.

But I suppose the school wanted to avoid the potential for a media storm to occur...
 
Well, everyone has the right to be offended. What right everyone doesn't have is for everyone else to care.

I wonder if he did a shirt about chemistry's change if people would be offended, after all chemistry has played a large role in supporting evolution.
 
This is bull****, I can't believe society had been lowered so much that you can't even put evolution on a tee-shirt.

"I don’t think evolution should be associated with our school."
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That's some more bull****. Its a public school, so you can't avoid having evolution in some educational form.

:doh
 
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