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Energy Policy

The Government Should Invest In...


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Well let's do some math. On average it's about a billion per plant. To actually replace coal and gas as well as reduce carbon emissions, it's somewhere around a thousand nuclear plants. That's a trillion dollars.

That's not that expensive, relatively speaking.

Over what time period?

Over the same amount of time it takes Obama to spend $787 billion on "stimulating" the economy.
 
That's not that expensive, relatively speaking.

In terms of government spending it is.

Over the same amount of time it takes Obama to spend $787 billion on "stimulating" the economy.

I gotta ask. If Obama's spending plan was so evil, why is spending MORE not as bad?
 
Well let's do some math. On average it's about a billion per plant. To actually replace coal and gas as well as reduce carbon emissions, it's somewhere around a thousand nuclear plants. That's a trillion dollars.



Over what time period?

Where are you getting these numbers from?

France has 59 nuclear power plants which provide 425 TWh of electricity. Total consumption for the entire country was 451 TWh.


Because the US uses more electricity per capita than France, our total usage is 3,816 TWh. Thus, to power the entire country's electrical needs, we would need 545 plants.

Then, you have to consider the fact that the French plants are generally old and underpowered. The majority of them are 900 MWe plants, while the current generation of plants are 1650 MWe. Once you adjust for that, we would only need 297 of the new plants to cover our entire country's needs. Given that we already have 104, I don't think that this is so difficult to imagine implementing.

In terms of cost, you actually underestimated the expense associated with these plants. Estimates for each new plant in the US are $6-10 billion. If we take the middle figure of $8b and apply that to all 300 plants, that's $2.4T in total cost.

Now, the total cost of electricity in the US per year is $372b (9.78 cents/KWh * 3,816 TWh). That means that we would recoup the entire cost of all 300 nuclear plants in approximately 6.45 years.

That seems like a good investment to me.

(I know that I've ignored the costs of actually running the plants, but it appears to be relatively trivial compared to the costs of building/insuring the plants. If you like, tack on another $1b per plant and add a year or so to the total time.)
 
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I gotta ask. If Obama's spending plan was so evil, why is spending MORE not as bad?

It just depends on why you're spending the money. In my opinion, building a sustainable and comprehensive energy infrastructure is a thousand times more beneficial than some faux-stimulus package.

My point was that if our country can justify spending $787 billion on "stimulating" the economy then there's no reason why we couldn't justify spending $300 billion more on a nuclear infrastructure.

*Disclaimer: I didn’t imply that Obama’s spending plan was evil.
 
Nuke plants MAKE money...whatever the upfront cost, they make money....so the public pays for them by turning on their electric devices in their homes.
 
Can you please abide by the parameters of the thread and just choose one? I fully understand that no one source of energy is viable on its own. I'm simply wanting to know which specific one is currently the most viable investment.

I will, provided you admit your parameters are absurdly unrealistic and have no basis for anything resembling energy policy.
 
I will, provided you admit your parameters are absurdly unrealistic and have no basis for anything resembling energy policy.

What? I don't know what you're talking about. This is just a hypothetical. Just ASSUME something is true and make a decision. Why is that so hard?
 
What? I don't know what you're talking about. This is just a hypothetical. Just ASSUME something is true and make a decision. Why is that so hard?

In your hypothetical situation, nuclear is the most viable option. Fossil fuels have the obvious problems we see today, and wind/solar/hydro-electric/geothermal is too circumstantial to power the entire nation by itself. A large scale energy storage system would make solar or wind capable of powering the entire nation, but such a system has yet to be developed. All things considered, nuclear is the most practical as a single solution with current technology.

As long as you understand that this argument only applies in hypothetical ethereal-land and not reality, than i have no problem with it.
 
In your hypothetical situation, nuclear is the most viable option. Fossil fuels have the obvious problems we see today, and wind/solar/hydro-electric/geothermal is too circumstantial to power the entire nation by itself. A large scale energy storage system would make solar or wind capable of powering the entire nation, but such a system has yet to be developed. All things considered, nuclear is the most practical as a single solution with current technology.

As long as you understand that this argument only applies in hypothetical ethereal-land and not reality, than i have no problem with it.

Oh, so people can't postulate or speculate or spitball without it being some delusional fantasy? Real creative attitude you have. And please do not refer disparagingly to "ethereal-land"...it's a very nice place.

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Anyway, thank you for your thoughtful and reasoned response. I'm glad that you agree that nuclear energy is the best stuff ever!
 
I notice gas is not on the list, except as other. Good thing, there isn't enough of it availalbe yet to replace coal. And people who are opposed to oil well drilling are probably opposed to gas well drilling as well....
 
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Nuclear energy is teh good!
 
I don't think government should "invest" in any of these. What should happen is the Federal Government should get out of the way and let private investors develop all of the above or if there is to be some government involvement let it be of the category of prize money for specific developments in each category.
 
You have to chose one.
That makes this poll inaccurate...few people would suggest only one source of energy.

I chose other, because I believe we should invest in all forms of energy to an extent. I definitely support greatly increasing the amount of Oil taken from our soil because I believe they first step in making a better energy policy is to stop relying on foreign oil. At the same time we should invest heavily in nuclear, and invest some in clean coal, solar, wind, and other sources.
 
That makes this poll inaccurate...few people would suggest only one source of energy.

I chose other, because I believe we should invest in all forms of energy to an extent. I definitely support greatly increasing the amount of Oil taken from our soil because I believe they first step in making a better energy policy is to stop relying on foreign oil. At the same time we should invest heavily in nuclear, and invest some in clean coal, solar, wind, and other sources.

Coal can be made cleaner, but not clean....
Dusting the coffee table in my house makes it cleaner, butfor it to be clean takes a LOT more effort.
 
Coal could be cleaner, is not really clean, but our energy concerns trump that side affect.

Coal is the largest man made contributor to particulates in the air, that makes up the aerosol pollution. Then there is the gaseous emissions caused by burning coal as well. Add to that the millions of tons of ash that has to be put somewhere.
Coal should be phased out, with nuclear replacing the coal plants as they become old and in need or replacement..
 
Coal is the largest man made contributor to particulates in the air, that makes up the aerosol pollution. Then there is the gaseous emissions caused by burning coal as well. Add to that the millions of tons of ash that has to be put somewhere.
Coal should be phased out, with nuclear replacing the coal plants as they become old and in need or replacement..

While I agree we should phase them out, while they are still feasible we should use them to maximum capacity.
 
While I agree we should phase them out, while they are still feasible we should use them to maximum capacity.

agree, I would not tear down any plant in good condition, but I would also not extend the license on any of them unless we find a way to REALLY clean the discharge.
 
Why the government?

How about repealing stupid and abusive regulations and excessive taxes?

Then let the free market take care of it.
 
Since I have to pick just one I would pick geothermal. Nuclear is great and all..but like oil it is not a renewable resource. I would prefer to leave the nuclear option for conveyances like powering the space shuttle or a submarine etc etc.
 
Since I have to pick just one I would pick geothermal. Nuclear is great and all..but like oil it is not a renewable resource. I would prefer to leave the nuclear option for conveyances like powering the space shuttle or a submarine etc etc.

There aren't very many good geothermal locations ...
 
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