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What is your religion?

What is your religion?

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moe said:
David Ramsay Steele? (Author of Atheisism explained)

Moe
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Who? Never heard of him, if anything I was convinced by Sam Harris's "Why we shouldn't call ourselves atheists." Start @ 6 Minutes.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KG5s_-Khvg"]YouTube - Sam Harris on the "dangers" of "atheism"[/ame]
 
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Urgh, i shut off the video about 18 minutes in. It wouldn't kill him to go outside of the box when it comes to the problems of Islam.
 
Laila said:
Urgh, i shut off the video about 18 minutes in. It wouldn't kill him to go outside of the box when it comes to the problems of Islam.
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What do you mean by "outside of the box" in regards the problems of Islam?
 
Lachean said:
What do you mean by "outside of the box" in regards the problems of Islam?
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He said what everyone knows.
Yes Islam has issues especially in terms of texts. Everyone knows that and people say it all the time. Bring me something new.

"No one fears the Amish, This is not an accident ... they are not likely to hijack planes and fly them into buildings"

Because that is what we all wish to do :roll:
 
Laila said:
He said what everyone knows.
Yes Islam has issues especially in terms of texts. Everyone knows that and people say it all the time. Bring me something new.

"No one fears the Amish, This is not an accident ... they are not likely to hijack planes and fly them into buildings"

Because that is what we all wish to do :roll:
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Stereotypes are much easier than critical thought. More fun, too!
 
Coronado said:
Stereotypes are much easier than critical thought. More fun, too!
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Its stupid and it is pointless.

I'd listen to critics of Islam more and take on board what they say if they weren't ... alot of them anyway arrogant twits.
 
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Laila said:
He said what everyone knows.
Yes Islam has issues especially in terms of texts. Everyone knows that and people say it all the time. Bring me something new.
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Do you think that the scriptural criticisms if Islam were any more than 5% of his talk and had anything to do with his thesis? Or do you just get turned off @ critics of Islam and miss the point entirely?

Laila said:
"No one fears the Amish, This is not an accident ... they are not likely to hijack planes and fly them into buildings"

Because that is what we all wish to do :roll:
Its stupid and it is pointless.

I'd listen to critics of Islam more and take aboard what they say if they weren't ... alot of them anyway arrogant twits.
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Objectively speaking, if you hear news of a suicide bomber which is more likely to be his/her faith/culture?:
  • Islam
  • Jaine
  • Amish
 
Lachean said:
Do you think that the scriptural criticisms if Islam were any more than 5% of his talk and had anything to do with his thesis? Or do you just get turned off @ critics of Islam and miss the point entirely?

Objectively speaking, if you hear news of a suicide bomber which is more likely to be his/her faith/culture?:
  • Islam
  • Jaine
  • Amish
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Islam naturally.

Actually i am watching the rest of it as i type this ... or rather listening/watching. I am determined to finish it all before i comment again

I can listen to critics of Islam. I am a big critic of Islam in some cases and have always been on the side of reform and scholars re interpreting the Qu'ran.
 
Laila said:
Islam naturally.

Actually i am watching the rest of it as i type this ... or rather listening/watching. I am determined to finish it all before i comment again

I can listen to critics of Islam. I am a big critic of Islam in some cases and have always been on the side of reform and scholars re interpreting the Qu'ran.
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Well let me know what you think of his position on "atheism." And if you find that his criticisms of Islam are incorrect, unwarranted or even "lacking in critical thought" I would also like to discuss them.
 
It was the last ten minutes of his talk that I found the most interesting. Meditation inner voice etc.

Also his talk of lynching’s. Basically Jesus was lynched in the same manner as he describes.

Mr 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.

This man speaks of love and the end of racism. Jesus pretty much taught the same thing. Do unto others look after the poor ,Every man look after brother etc.

This man should be careful. He may come out of one of his meditative states one day and discover he is no longer an atheist.

Moe
 
moe said:
It was the last ten minutes of his talk that I found the most interesting. Meditation inner voice etc.

Also his talk of lynching’s. Basically Jesus was lynched in the same manner as he describes.

Mr 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.

This man speaks of love and the end of racism. Jesus pretty much taught the same thing. Do unto others look after the poor ,Every man look after brother etc.

This man should be careful. He may come out of one of his meditative states one day and discover he is no longer an atheist.

Moe
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Why would he be "careful" when he is actively trying to understand spiritual experiences? If he had any reason to be a theist, he would change his mind without hesitation when faced with the new evidence. That is what it means to be a rational human being with intellectual integrity.

Its not as if he is afraid of being a theist.
 
Lachean said:
Why would he be "careful" when he is actively trying to understand spiritual experiences? If he had any reason to be a theist, he would change his mind without hesitation when faced with the new evidence. That is what it means to be a rational human being with intellectual integrity.

Its not as if he is afraid of being a theist.
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I have said this before. According to scripture man is created in the image of God. If you really want to find and experience God the best way is to look inward. Not outward. All the great sages and prophets were heavy into fasting, isolation and meditative prayer.

1ki 19:11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
1ki 19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
1ki 19:13 And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?
 
Non-demoninational "Christian" for the most part, but I seriously have some issues with the Bible that man wrote being the "inspired Word of God."
 
moe said:
I have said this before. According to scripture man is created in the image of God. If you really want to find and experience God the best way is to look inward. Not outward. All the great sages and prophets were heavy into fasting, isolation and meditative prayer.

1ki 19:11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
1ki 19:12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
1ki 19:13 And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?
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Look inward at what? All we have is reality! If something manifests itself then you can examine it. If something does not manifest itself you cannot. If you have something then you can examine it, if you have nothing then you have nothing to examine.

What is this inward stuff you are examining? And please don't be vague. There is either something to examine inward or there isn't. What is it exactly inside of you that you are examining? Or is it just figurative language? In which case, please stop using it and define exactly what you mean.
 
scourge99 said:
Look inward at what? All we have is reality! If something manifests itself then you can examine it. If something does not manifest itself you cannot. If you have something then you can examine it, if you have nothing then you have nothing to examine.

What is this inward stuff you are examining? And please don't be vague. There is either something to examine inward or there isn't. What is it exactly inside of you that you are examining? Or is it just figurative language? In which case, please stop using it and define exactly what you mean.
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becuase you are such a phsyical person it is very difficult to explain spiritual things to you. I do not think a tibetian master could explain it to you so there is really no point in me even trying.

Listen to the last 10 minutes of the the harris vid. He explains the minum basics of it I think rather well.
 
moe said:
becuase you are such a phsyical person it is very difficult to explain spiritual things to you.
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Until you can define precisely what spiritual is then it means different things to different people. Spiritual for a christian is not necessarily spiritual for a jew or a muslim or a wiccan. What is this spiritualism you speak of?

I do not think a tibetian master could explain it to you so there is really no point in me even trying.
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ad-homs don't make your argument convincing. They make it appear desperate.

Listen to the last 10 minutes of the the harris vid. He explains the minum basics of it I think rather well.
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Is it really that complicated that you can't even explain it?

I'll watch it when I get home.
 
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scourge99 said:
Until you can define precisely what spiritual is then it means different things to different people. Spiritual for a christian is not necessarily spiritual for a jew or a muslim or a wiccan. What is this spiritualism you speak of?
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Perhaps on the surface that may appear to be so. But what is any spiritual person’s true Endeavour? To find and know the truth.

scourge99 said:
ad-homs don't make your argument convincing. They make it appear desperate.
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It was not an ad-hom. I am dead serious.

scourge99 said:
Is it really that complicated that you can't even explain it?
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To you, Yes. Perhaps you should talk to Ego about it. He is not a Christian and you may be more open to his views.
scourge99 said:
I'll watch it when I get home.
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You have not even watched the vid? I have always heard Harris described basically as the devil himself. I have not yet read anything by him. First time I have ever heard him speak and I cannot help but like the guy. Down to earth not looking for a fight just sharing his views.
 
moe said:
Perhaps on the surface that may appear to be so. But what is any spiritual person’s true Endeavour? To find and know the truth.
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Red-herring. This doesn't help in defining what you claim to know about spiritualism. You are simply dodging the issue. And I will continue to point it out.

It was not an ad-hom. I am dead serious.
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Being serious or not doesn't qualify or disqualify something as an ad-hom. All you did, was assert something and then fail to support it. This is a typical strategy of those with non-arguments.

To you, Yes. Perhaps you should talk to Ego about it. He is not a Christian and you may be more open to his views.
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More unsubstantiated assertions. Why can't I understand? What exactly is it that I can't understand? Is this perpetual hide and seek game what you think makes your argument valid?
 
I am a non-Denominational Christian, I take my faith very seriously and that is the focus of my life. Before I was a Christian I was an atheist.
 
scourge99 said:
Red-herring. This doesn't help in defining what you claim to know about spiritualism. You are simply dodging the issue. And I will continue to point it out.
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How is claiming that Spiritualism in whatever form is a search for truth a diversion from anything?
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Being serious or not doesn't qualify or disqualify something as an ad-hom. All you did, was assert something and then fail to support it. This is a typical strategy of those with non-arguments.
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I simply stated that you are a physical person. The fact that you are an atheist supports that statement. Nothing spiritual makes sense to you. Nobody can explain it to your satisfaction. This is not my first bar b q with you. I have spent much time breaking things down to as simple a level as I know how for you before. It is not that you do not agree with me that is the problem but you do not even understand what I am saying.

Not to be misunderstood you seem like a decent and even likable person. I have no intent to make any kind of personal attack on you. But this line of questioning as to why you cannot understand is forcing me to state a personal opinion of you.
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More unsubstantiated assertions. Why can't I understand? What exactly is it that I can't understand? Is this perpetual hide and seek game what you think makes your argument valid?
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There is no hide and seek here scourge.

1. The person that started this thread asked that we not debate here so I have tried to keep my answers short and abbreviated. I asked you previously if you wanted to move to a more appropriate forum. Apparently you do not. And now, I really do not want to start another topic with you either.

2. I simply have no desire to keep jumping through hoops for you. This is why I have stopped answering your posts point for point like I used to on other threads. Nothing personal. It is just that we seem to be always talking past each other. We do not communicate. This is why I said maybe you should take up a dialogue with Egotiff. He is more skilled at the type of debate style that you prefer.

3. As to why you do not understand I do not know. Perhaps your atheism has totally closed off your own personal spiritual side. That is just a guess.

Moe
 
C. Gerstle said:
THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS DEBATE THREAD!! I just wanted to know the general religious background of this site.
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As long as you promise NOT to burn me on a stake,,,I don't have one.:lol: With the 1000's of "False Religions" discarded along Mankinds History, I've yet to find one worth calling a "True Faith".

Plus the fact I've never felt the urge to kill over a "God" makes me a piss-poor "Convert" to the Religions now in style.:doh
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
Germanic Pagan. Some tendencies toward New Age eclecticism when it comes to the big cosmological questions, but otherwise well-rooted in moral and spiritual tradition.
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I,d say your confused.

Paul
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I'd say open your mind.


There are many paths up the mountain.



:shrug:


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But,,,only one Ending.:lol: "No One Gets Out,,,Alive." Thus the constant bickering.;)

Take care. Rev.:2wave:
 
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