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Mass shootings are more likely at...

Where is it most likely for there to be a mass shooting

  • Police station

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • National guard base

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Gun show

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • NRA national matches

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • School/college campus

    Votes: 21 65.6%

  • Shopping mall

    Votes: 4 12.5%

  • Other (specify)

    Votes: 7 21.9%
  • Total voters
    32
jallman said:
And that none of those are places people are likely to be packing either. At least not when compared to military bases and police stations.
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Yes, but the point isn't where they happen, but where they do not.
They both do and to not happen at places where people have ready access to guns, but they do NOT happpen where they DO have that access.
 
Redress said:
Depends on whether they knew about it or not. Do you notice how extremely specific and unlikely your scenarios are getting?
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1. DARE days are scheduled ahead of time - the students are made aware of them before hand.

2. DARE days are quite common.

3. Answer the question.
 
Ethereal said:
1. DARE days are scheduled ahead of time - the students are made aware of them before hand.

2. DARE days are quite common.

3. Answer the question.
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So what percentage of days are DARE days(and what is a dare day)?

I did answer your question by the way. In the case where the killer is a student, and they know about a dare day, and they plan things in advance, then they would take it into account. In that very specific situation, which has never to my mind ever happened, you might have a point.
 
Goobieman said:
Yes, but the point isn't where they happen, but where they do not.
They both do and to not happen at places where people have ready access to guns, but they do NOT happpen where they DO have that access.
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And yet the places where they do have access have lower concentrations of people, either always or over time, than the places without. SO it could be that there are other factors at play. Just maybe murders are more likely at schools because there are several hundred to several thousand people every day, meaning that the killers target is more likely there.
 
Goobieman said:
Yes, but the point isn't where they happen, but where they do not.
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Only if you are begging a question or you are forcing the inquiry to follow the conclusion.

They both do and to not happen at places where people have ready access to guns, but they do NOT happpen where they DO have that access.
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Which is also because places where people have ready access to guns are also places that wandering insane people don't have easy access to the locale.

Mass shootings have nothing to do wtih the second amendment for either side of the argument. It has to do with insane people killing people and where they are more likely to be found.
 
jallman said:
Mass shootings have nothing to do wtih the second amendment for either side of the argument. It has to do with insane people killing people and where they are more likely to be found.
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Why are insanse people SO much less likely to be found where there are people with guns than where there are not?
 
Redress said:
And yet the places where they do have access have lower concentrations of people, either always or over time, than the places without.
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Possibly true, but this only means that the number of shotings would be less, in proportion to the number of people.
Show that the number of people is proportional to the number of shootings.
 
Goobieman said:
Why are insanse people SO much less likely to be found where there are people with guns than where there are not?
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Umm, because people in general are less likely to be found in highly secured areas. Just a guess though....
 
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jallman said:
Umm, because people in general are less likely to be found in highly secured areas. Just a guess though....
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What highly secure areas?
Gun shows? The national matches? NG bases?
 
Goobieman said:
What highly secure areas?
Gun shows? The national matches? NG bases?
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Police stations, national guard bases and gun shows don't happen with enough frequency to even be considered.

A school is always there, always populated, and always left with unfettered access. The issue of mass shootings isn't a 2nd amendment issue. It's a crazy people killing people issue so its likely to happen where A) crazy people have unfettered access and B) where there are a lot of other people coming and going all the time.

I...I can't even believe I got into this discussion. It's like arguing over what hue of blue the sky is on two different days.
 
Goobieman said:
Possibly true, but this only means that the number of shotings would be less, in proportion to the number of people.
Show that the number of people is proportional to the number of shootings.
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That is taking what I am saying way beyond what I am saying. To put it another way, there are more factors at work than availability of guns.
 
jallman said:
Police stations, national guard bases and gun shows don't happen with enough frequency to even be considered.
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I see you changed your argument from 'highly secured areas' to 'not enough people'.
But, whatever. Show this to be true.

A school is always there, always populated, and always left with unfettered access.
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Always there? yes. The rest? No.

The issue of mass shootings isn't a 2nd amendment issue. It's a crazy people killing people issue so its likely to happen where A) crazy people have unfettered access and B) where there are a lot of other people coming and going all the time.
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You keep saying that. Repeating it doesnt make it true.
 
Redress said:
That is taking what I am saying way beyond what I am saying. To put it another way, there are more factors at work than availability of guns.
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Like... what?
And how do those factors not also apply to places where there are guns?
 
Goobieman said:
Like... what?
And how do those factors not also apply to places where there are guns?
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Like concentrations of people. Like where people go regularly(I noticed you did not include workplace on your list).
 
Goobieman said:
I see you changed your argument from 'highly secured areas' to 'not enough people'.
But, whatever. Show this to be true.
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I see you are having an off day with your reading comprehension. The whole argument has been all along that highly secured areas don't have a lot of people. But whatever, this is what happens any time anyone tries to engage you.

Always there? yes. The rest? No.
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The rest? Yes. Too bad you find that inconvenient.

You keep saying that. Repeating it doesnt make it true.
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You're right. Repeating it doesn't make it true. The fact that it's true is what makes it true.
 
Statistically speaking, schools are at the safest levels they've been in two decades, and are proportionally much safer than anywhere else the average kid will be during a 24 hour period.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Statistically speaking, schools are at the safest levels they've been in two decades, and are proportionally much safer than anywhere else the average kid will be during a 24 hour period.
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Yeah but we can't let pesky facts get in the way of a good guns, Gawd, and glorrray rant, now can we?
 
Lightdemon said:
My assessment was based on how you presented it. Now that you've added more description to the study, you'll notice that it's quite different from where you started. At first you made it seem like the study was about law abiding citizens themselves, but now it's the area where these law abiding citizens are found.

I'm just going off on what you are presenting here.
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My apologies, I thought you were familiar with the research.
 
jallman said:
Yeah but we can't let pesky facts get in the way of a good guns, Gawd, and glorrray rant, now can we?
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Usually the problem with gun nuts is not facts, it's that they overvalue guns. Guns are a right, that does not mean you should sleep with it. This thread goes beyond that, and shows a gun nut with trouble with facts too.
 
Redress said:
Usually the problem with gun nuts is not facts, it's that they overvalue guns. Guns are a right, that does not mean you should sleep with it. This thread goes beyond that, and shows a gun nut with trouble with facts too.
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Exactly. I have my hunting rifle, my shotgun for dove hunting, and my handgun. All kept in a locked box in the closet. I care a great deal about my right to keep those guns. However, I haven't pulled my guns out of that box in a year because I never went hunting this past year.

I don't understand people that single out one right in the constitution and act as if the entire war of independence was fought over that one right alone and that the war is still being fought over that one right today. :shrug:
 
Redress said:
Usually the problem with gun nuts is not facts, it's that they overvalue guns. Guns are a right, that does not mean you should sleep with it. This thread goes beyond that, and shows a gun nut with trouble with facts too.
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I thought your position was, that it was none of your business who or what I sleep with? :mrgreen:
 
Goshin said:
I thought your position was, that it was none of your business who or what I sleep with? :mrgreen:
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I should not be able to tell you who you can and cannot sleep with, but I can make fun of your choices.
 
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