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Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

Is opposition to Obama mostly due to his race?

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Zyphlin said:
I believe all opposition of Obama is becasue of his policies and they are all absolutely sound and impecably air tight because he's without question the worst president we've ever had regardless of his color which doesn't even matter because he's half white and the only racists are on the other side supporting him because of his race.

I have absolutely nothing to back this up by its "my opinion" so you just have to deal with it as fact because I say so.
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ALL opposition?

There isn't a single racist in the country who opposes him because of his skin color?

You're entitled to your opinion & I have always argued that opinions require NO validation, evidence or anything else. I also assume your post was a bit tongue in cheek, but so be it.;)
 
I believe that everyone saying opposition to Obama is based on race is struggling internally with the fact they were duped, that Obama is nothing that he promised to be, and they're lashing out at anyone pointing it out because they can't come to grips with being taken for world-class fools. There's plenty of evidence to support this belief, and no, you can't make me prove it. It's my belief.

That's fair, right?
 
Devil505 said:
ALL opposition?

There isn't a single racist in the country who opposes him because of his skin color?

You're entitled to your opinion & I have always argued that opinions require NO validation, evidence or anything else. I also assume your post was a bit tongue in cheek, but so be it.;)
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Yep. Every single one. There's not a single person objecting to Obama based on race. All are for completely 100% logical reasons, however all that support him are doing so in part because of race. Its amazingly obvious, anyone should be able to see it, all the facts are right there in your face, just don't ask me to show you them. That's my opinion, so that's what it is.

(seriously, no. The vast majority of opposition to him is not based on race. There is a small minority whose main issue with him is race, but there's also a small minority on the other side whose only reason to support him is race, neither has the full ownership of racism guiding their views. A larger amount, but still a minority imho, on both sides likely have race play a factor in some kind of consious or subconsious way, be it his race or the way in which his administration and the media has played the race card. I think the majority of actual political savy people on both sides likely have their views of him directed by policy and philosophy, not race.)
 
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Harshaw said:
I believe that everyone saying opposition to Obama is based on race is struggling internally with the fact they were duped, that Obama is nothing that he promised to be, and they're lashing out at anyone pointing it out because they can't come to grips with being taken for world-class fools. There's plenty of evidence to support this belief, and no, you can't make me prove it. It's my belief.

That's fair, right?
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All beliefs are fair.

George Carlin's religious belief was that after you died, your sole went to a vacant garage in Cleveland!:lol:
 
Zyphlin said:
(seriously, no. The vast majority of opposition to him is not based on race. There is a small minority whose main issue with him is race, but there's also a small minority on the other side whose only reason to support him is race, neither has the full ownership of racism guiding their views.
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So....We're really almost in agreement.....except for one word:

I say yes to this: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race?




You say yes to this: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is partially based on his race?.


We are one word apart!
 
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Devil505 said:
So....We're really almost in agreement.....except for one word:

I say yes to this: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race?

You say yes to this: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is partially based on his race?.

We are one word apart!
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Actually, you've got that wrong. If you want to solidify it to one sentence.

I believe that for some people the opposition or support of Obama is partially based on his race.
 
Devil505 said:
You're entitled to your opinion & I have always argued that opinions require NO validation, evidence or anything else.
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:lol:

And we fully reserve the right to flay and ridicule any opinions based on no validation, evidence, or anything else.
 
Zyphlin said:
Actually, you've got that wrong. If you want to solidify it to one sentence.

I believe that for some people the opposition or support of Obama is partially based on his race.
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Kinda sounds like a distinction without a difference to me??
 
Harshaw said:
:lol:

And we fully reserve the right to flay and ridicule any opinions based on no validation, evidence, or anything else.
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As is your right. but....let me ask you this:

Do you believe there is a god?
 
Devil505 said:
As is your right. but....let me ask you this:

Do you believe there is a god?
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I do, and no, it's not provable -- either way.

But Earthly things are. This topic is an Earthly thing. When people believed the Earth was flat, they were wrong, no matter how hard they believed it.
 
Devil505 said:
Kinda sounds like a distinction without a difference to me??
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I'm sure it does sound that way to you.

But if you're not capable of understanding the conceptual and logicial difference between "some" and "most," it might explain a great number of things.
 
Harshaw said:
I do, and no, it's not provable -- either way.

But Earthly things are. This topic is an Earthly thing. When people believed the Earth was flat, they were wrong, no matter how hard they believed it.
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I suggest that I could probably find more evidence (verbal admissions & documents) to back up my opinion (about Obama opposition) than you could provide about the existence of god.
 
Harshaw said:
I'm sure it does sound that way to you.

But if you're not capable of understanding the conceptual and logicial difference between "some" and "most," it might explain a great number of things.
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I understand the intent of your "DIG" but assure you that I do indeed understand the conceptual and logicial difference between "some" and "most." I just am of the opinion that Most is more accurate.
 
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Devil505 said:
I understand the intent of your "DIG" but assure you that I do indeed understand the conceptual and logicial difference between "some" and "most." I just am of the opinion that Most is more accurate.
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As always, when you get caught in a point, you shift the subject. (And no, I'm not going to remind you of your point; it's only a few posts up and anyone can go read it if they want.)
 
Devil505 said:
I suggest that I could probably find more evidence (verbal admissions & documents) to back up my opinion (about Obama opposition) than you could provide about the existence of god.
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And then what?
 
Harshaw said:
As always, when you get caught in a point, you shift the subject. (And no, I'm not going to remind you of your point; it's only a few posts up and anyone can go read it if they want.)
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If you are referring to the opposition being "Partially" based on race statement, it is impossible to quantify how much of someone's opposition is based on race & how much is based on reason. Therefore, I ignored the unquantifiable difference & chalk it all up to racism.
 
Harshaw said:
And then what?
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Then......It is patently absurd to denigrate my unprovable opinion but claim that your unprovable opinion is somehow better. The "Earthly" qualifier you inject is just silly.
What the hell is "Earthly" & why can't the existence of a god be proven or disproved using "Earthly" evidence? (whatever the hell Earthly means??):lol:
 
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Devil, you crack me up! I'm getting a huge laugh out of folks like you and UtahBill telling conservatives what we think and what we believe. You're both of the same ilk that rail on the tea parties, and I bet neither of you attended one to have first hand knowledge of what took place.

I'm going to spell this out for you (and everyone else) to see.

Most conservatives don't hate black people. I know, I know - this may come as a shock to you, but it's actually true.

Most conservatives (remember, they don't hate black people) are opposed to Obama based on his policies. If a green man, a red man, a yellow man or hell even a white man, had the same policies as Obama, conservatives would be just as opposed to that person. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. You can spin this crap all day long, but it only makes you look foolish to the point of being laughable. You've almost entered into the same reality challenged area that the birthers and the truthers live in. Seriously, you haven't a clue when you stick to the beliefs that you have when there is no evidence whatsoever to support them.
 
Devil505 said:
Then......It is patently absurd to denigrate my unprovable opinion but claim that your unprovable opinion is somehow better.
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Dude.

I took care of that in my first response to your question. I knew where you were going.

Belief in God is not provable. But beliefs based in the natural world are.

I understand how badly you want to say "I know you are, but what am I?" but when you say things like:

Devil505 said:
If you are referring to the opposition being "Partially" based on race statement, it is impossible to quantify how much of someone's opposition is based on race & how much is based on reason. Therefore, I ignored the unquantifiable difference & chalk it all up to racism.
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It only shows how scandalously poor your reasoning skills are. "I don't know how much of it can be attributed to X, but it suits me to think it's ALL attributable to X, so that's what I'm going with."

:rofl
 
P/N said:
Devil, you crack me up! I'm getting a huge laugh out of folks like you and UtahBill telling conservatives what we think and what we believe. You're both of the same ilk that rail on the tea parties, and I bet neither of you attended one to have first hand knowledge of what took place.

I'm going to spell this out for you (and everyone else) to see.

Most conservatives don't hate black people. I know, I know - this may come as a shock to you, but it's actually true.

Most conservatives (remember, they don't hate black people) are opposed to Obama based on his policies. If a green man, a red man, a yellow man or hell even a white man, had the same policies as Obama, conservatives would be just as opposed to that person. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. You can spin this crap all day long, but it only makes you look foolish to the point of being laughable. You've almost entered into the same reality challenged area that the birthers and the truthers live in. Seriously, you haven't a clue when you stick to the beliefs that you have when there is no evidence whatsoever to support them.
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Is your above statement a matter of verifiable FACT or simply your OPINION?

(&, btw, I never claimed that most conservatives hate black people. Where did that erroneous supposition/lie come from??)

I'll give you guys this: You are masters at twisting words & fabricating meanings to suit your purpose. If I said "Adolf Hitler was a bad man"....You guys would twist that into meaning that, since Hitler was Caucasian, I MUST be a racist & hate all Caucasians!.....Your (right wing nuts in general) debate tactics are insulting & quite ineffectual....as is proved by the last 2 national elections, but please.....Keep it up! Can't wait to take more Congressional seats from your side next year.;)
 
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Devil505 said:
I'll give you guys this: You are masters at twisting words & fabricating meanings to suit your purpose.
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Said without the slightest whiff of irony or introspection.

:rofl

You keep swingin' for the bleachers there, ace.
 
Harshaw said:
I believe that everyone saying opposition to Obama is based on race is struggling internally with the fact they were duped, that Obama is nothing that he promised to be, and they're lashing out at anyone pointing it out because they can't come to grips with being taken for world-class fools. There's plenty of evidence to support this belief, and no, you can't make me prove it. It's my belief.

That's fair, right?
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I don't know if your theory of causation is true, but it is true that I feel duped...well, let's say, as duped as I can be by a politician. They're all liars and nothing is as it seems...from that starting point, yes, I feel duped.
 
Devil505 said:
Screwed up an edit. The emboldened line (below) line should not be in your quote box, but below it.


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You found me out. I oppose President Obama because he is black!
Hey....I never accused YOU inparticulr but if the shoe fits.....

This really should be in conspiracy theories.
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So I guess I am a racist against blacks, you found me out.

And then you wonder why I think people like you and Utah are stupid? Go figure?

I know I am going to get in trouble for this.

In my defense it is the truth at least.
 
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mixedmedia said:
I don't know if your theory of causation is true, but it is true that I feel duped...well, let's say, as duped as I can be by a politician. They're all liars and nothing is as it seems...from that starting point, yes, I feel duped.
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It's not really my theory. It was sarcasm to illustrate how silly someone else's line of "reasoning" is.

But I do have no doubt that you're not alone.
 
Devil505 said:
but their REAL Basis, in many cases is his race.
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Any proof to this? How about you being wrong for assuming something is racism.

Its funny how someone can accuse others are racism with no facts and then shame someone for being racist when there are no facts to support any accusation of racism, yet that is okay to do.

Scum like that disappoint me, they are no better than the dirtbag human beings who immediately assume race is a factor in any situation when someone isn't treated like they think they should be.

The real racists are the ones who turn their mind to 'RACISM RACISM' when they have no facts. They are the ones who had to think of race to start with in order to make the accusation, its they who have race on their mind, not those who they accuse of being racists.



I'll tell you how I spot an...anit-Obama suspected racist:
Look for someone who vehemently opposes Obama on every issue. No matter what Obama says or does, he's a Commie, Socialist, Pals around with terrorosts, wnts to kill the elderly, etc.
I think someone like that (& there are plenty on this forum) is "telegraphing" the real reason they oppose Obama.....No matter what the issue!
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So, those who vehemently opposed Bush on the issue, regardless of what the issue was...... what is their excuse?

Could it be blind partisanship instead of racism? I think we've found the answer! DING DING DING!



Again, the topic title qujestion starts with 3 words......Do You Believe"....
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Pathetic cop out.



FAIL
 
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