Conspiracy Theories

to indulge in a conspiracy theory is to believe that government is lying

let me give you some examples of conspiracy theories:

1 - Oswald didn't shoot JFK from 3 different directions

2 - Sun has an effect earth's temperature

3 - Iraq has OIL

4 - Three skyscrapers is more than two planes

those are some of the good ones, now an example of a bad apple:

5 - Earth is ruled by an alien race of shape-shifting reptilians :rofl

so the question is - what percentage of the time are conspiracy theories closer to reality than the government's fairy tale ?

i will be voting 80%

public poll ...

Between zero to 0.001 percents.

Yeah, that crap about the sun affecting the earths temperature is pure baloney! :mrgreen:

Sammyo said:

Yeah, that crap about the sun affecting the earths temperature is pure baloney! :mrgreen:

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I just noticed he actually wrote this.
What the ****. :rofl

I will give them 20%, everyone is right sometimes.

I chose 0%. I think it may be slightly higher than that, but 20% ain't even close, so I chose the closest one to the truth. 0%.

Well, the definition of conspiracy is "a secret plot by two or more people", so actual conspiracies happpen every day.

Now these large conjectures of grand schemes by governments, secret societies, aliens etc; are a different breed that all have one thing in common; they tend to use as few facts as possible to support a large theory as possible. (the opposite of rational analysis and Occam's razor)

The theorists then usually try to put the burden of proof of the skeptics instead of supporting the theory with evidence. (then often claim the lack of evidence is also part of the conspiracy)

Also the number of people involved needs to be taken into account. While I serious question the total collapse of the three WTC buildings, I have to rule out a government conspiracy theory because of the large number of people that would have to be willing participants.

Joe1991 said:

Well, the definition of conspiracy is "a secret plot by two or more people", so actual conspiracies happpen every day.

Now these large conjectures of grand schemes by governments, secret societies, aliens etc; are a different breed that all have one thing in common; they tend to use as few facts as possible to support a large theory as possible. (the opposite of rational analysis and Occam's razor)

The theorists then usually try to put the burden of proof of the skeptics instead of supporting the theory with evidence. (then often claim the lack of evidence is also part of the conspiracy)

Also the number of people involved needs to be taken into account. While I serious question the total collapse of the three WTC buildings, I have to rule out a government conspiracy theory because of the large number of people that would have to be willing participants.

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but this way of thinking introduces a way to conspire and get away with that.

1) do a very complicated job which most complications included is not really necessary.

2) destroy any evidence.

3) invent a simple scenario which the conspiracy theory can get refuted with.

when someone successfully found out your conspiracy, but lacks evidence, give him a ROFL and call him a nut. be sure that others will do the refuting part and will also call the person a nut, until he really goes nuts.

I like reverse engineering!!

NEUROSPORT said:

to indulge in a conspiracy theory is to believe that government is lying

let me give you some examples of conspiracy theories:

1 - Oswald didn't shoot JFK from 3 different directions

2 - Sun has an effect earth's temperature

3 - Iraq has OIL

4 - Three skyscrapers is more than two planes

those are some of the good ones, now an example of a bad apple:


5 - Earth is ruled by an alien race of shape-shifting reptilians :rofl

so the question is - what percentage of the time are conspiracy theories closer to reality than the government's fairy tale ?

i will be voting 80%

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I think you have some of these mixed up. Its Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot JFK, It was two planes didn't knock down two sky scrappers but the government using explosives and the Iraq war is for oil.


How is the sun affecting the earths temperature a conspiracy?

youknowwho said:

but this way of thinking introduces a way to conspire and get away with that.

1) do a very complicated job which most complications included is not really necessary.

2) destroy any evidence.

3) invent a simple scenario which the conspiracy theory can get refuted with.

when someone successfully found out your conspiracy, but lacks evidence, give him a ROFL and call him a nut. be sure that others will do the refuting part and will also call the person a nut, until he really goes nuts.

I like reverse engineering!!

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Very true, but nonetheless the larger the conspiracy, the harder it is to pull off remains a constant.

I would say maybe 10% of the time or less, thus I had to choose 0. Most of them are nut jobs though.

Virtually all of them are nutjobs and when the evidence proves conclusively that they're absolutely wrong, they ignore the evidence and get even more fanatical. I might go 5% of the time they might be right, but that's purely accidental that they stumbled onto something remotely resembling the truth.

Between 0 and 10.

I would much rather you gave a range, like 0-20% or some such.

I chose 20% because it is likely that some conspiracy theories are true, since there are so many, and most I haven't heard of...

It is likely much less than 20%.

As too the ones you listed, they are not conspiracy theories, except for the last 2.

1 - Oswald didn't shoot JFK from 3 different directions
Well, obviously, if you word it in that manner, someone would have to agree with you...unless there is a length of time involved which defies known physics.
2 - Sun has an effect earth's temperature
Well, duh. Why else would it get warmer in the sunlight and colder at night?
3 - Iraq has OIL
This is a known fact...isn't it?
4 - Three skyscrapers is more than two planes
If we are speaking in terms of math, then of course it is true that 3 > 2.

If we are speaking in terms of conspiracy theories, then I have so far heard no evidence which convinces me that anything other than that which is the accepted truth (I.E., that planes ran into and damaged the WTC towers to the extent that they collapsed and damaged the area around them. Further, that this collapse caused the surrounding buildings to collapse/take major damage.)

#5 has an infinitesimal chance to not be a conspiracy theory.

jamesrage said:

How is the sun affecting the earths temperature a conspiracy?

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He's operating under the false assumption that sun-spot activity definitely has no effect on the temperature of the Earth. He is merely implying that AGW theory is iron clad and that any alternative theories constitute arguments of a "conspiracy theory" quality.

Because everyone KNOWS that CO2 is to blame for the minuscule rise (about one point three degrees Fahrenheit) in average global temps from the late 1800's to 1998, when temps ceased rising and actually began to fall in 2002, and have been falling ever since, which just so happens to be contemporaneous with a deep solar minimum (prolonged minimal sun spot activity). Not saying that constitutes some kind of causal link but it's an intriguing coincidence nonetheless.

Statements such as the OP's are why I've come to harbor a special contempt for AGW theory doomsayers.

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2 - Sun has an effect earth's temperature

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In the winter, the sun is out above us less and it is generally cooler.

In the summer, the sun is out above us more and it is generally warmer.

Joe1991 said:

While I serious question the total collapse of the three WTC buildings, I have to rule out a government conspiracy theory because of the large number of people that would have to be willing participants.

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so basically despite all of the evidence ( which you, yourself do not deny cannot be explained by the official story ) you simply DO NOT WANT to believe that it was the government because in effect YOU HAVE ALREADY DECIDED THAT IT CAN NEVER BE THE GOVERNMENT because the government has too many people in it.

now let me tell you snowflake - you are not unique. 9 out of 10 people think exactly the way you do. and you have all decided that it can never be the government.

in effect you have given the government a blank check TO DO ANYTHING IT WANTS and get away with it.

be proud of yourself lemmings.

ps: you incorrectly referred to Occam's Razor. it requires the simplest theory THAT EXPLAINS *ALL* OF THE EVIDENCE which the official government story doesn't come ANYWHERE NEAR of accomplishing.

do you know WHY we know that Hitler burned down Reichstag ? we know because Hitler is no longer in power. if Hitler won the history books would read that it was all done by polish, jews, communists or whatever ! and lemmings would explain to each other how it would have been impossible for the government to deceive everybody.

why of course it would be impossible ! the government ONLY has close to 100% success rate in deceiving the public :rofl

they suckered you into Vietnam, they suckered you into Iraq. can you name a single person form the Bush administration who is currently serving in prison for lying that lead to deaths of thousands of American soldiers and over a million Iraqis ? NO YOU CANT.

in fact you can't do SH1T. go back to your high school and impress your professor there with how clever you are.

youknowwho said:

but this way of thinking introduces a way to conspire and get away with that.

1) do a very complicated job which most complications included is not really necessary.

2) destroy any evidence.

3) invent a simple scenario which the conspiracy theory can get refuted with.

when someone successfully found out your conspiracy, but lacks evidence, give him a ROFL and call him a nut. be sure that others will do the refuting part and will also call the person a nut, until he really goes nuts.

I like reverse engineering!!

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“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed”

~ Adolf Hitler

the emphasis here is A LIE BIG ENOUGH. if a lie is pesky like " i did not have sexual relations with this woman " nobody will believe it. but if we're talking about plowing two Jet Liners into WTC towers and then blowing the whole **** up right in everybodys face - thats a BIG ENOUGH lie.

in fact there is NO WAY a lowly lemming will ever suspect foul play in this scenario.

you don't even have to hide the evidence ( although they did ship all of the steel out ).

this was all well known for a very long time. little kids like Joe 1991 think no way the government can be this smart to know what i will think before i think it ! :2wave: its THEIR JOB to know it !

a person ( bush ) is not smart. but THE SYSTEM as a whole is pretty damn clever. they only had MILLENIA to perfect all their scams. its their THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF RESEARCHING YOU versus yours A DECADE OF BEING BRAINWASHED BY THEM - who do you think wins this mind game ?

Joe1991 said:

Very true, but nonetheless the larger the conspiracy, the harder it is to pull off remains a constant.

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or so it would appear to somebody who doesn't understand public psychology or the higherarchical compartmentalized organization of power structures.

Cephus said:

when the evidence proves conclusively that they're absolutely wrong, they ignore the evidence and get even more fanatical

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this is HUMAN NATURE. it has nothing to do with conspiracy theorists. conspiracy theorists in fact do this less than anybody else. that's because we STUDY HUMAN NATURE and learn to identify our own weaknesses and work to eliminate them to the extent possible.

power ( think tanks etc ) also studies it. then they use human to have an ordinary man enslave himself.

you are basically all victims of your own ignorance.

The Mark said:

If we are speaking in terms of conspiracy theories, then I have so far heard no evidence which convinces me that anything other than that which is the accepted truth (I.E., that planes ran into and damaged the WTC towers to the extent that they collapsed and damaged the area around them. Further, that this collapse caused the surrounding buildings to collapse/take major damage.)

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if you don't understand the problems with the collapses on 9-11 then hopefully you don't have any engineering degrees like i do.

by the way most conspiracy theorists don't really understand the physics involved either. to an extent their belief is as blind as yours.

to ME the giveaway is the symmetrical nature of the collapse into the path of greatest resistance which was the case for ALL THREE BUILDINGS. this flies in the face of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

its hard to say what should be the giveaway for a regular person considering that a regular person is completely brain dead.

Ethereal said:

He's operating under the false assumption that sun-spot activity definitely has no effect on the temperature of the Earth. He is merely implying that AGW theory is iron clad and that any alternative theories constitute arguments of a "conspiracy theory" quality.

Because everyone KNOWS that CO2 is to blame for the minuscule rise (about one point three degrees Fahrenheit) in average global temps from the late 1800's to 1998, when temps ceased rising and actually began to fall in 2002, and have been falling ever since, which just so happens to be contemporaneous with a deep solar minimum (prolonged minimal sun spot activity). Not saying that constitutes some kind of causal link but it's an intriguing coincidence nonetheless.

Statements such as the OP's are why I've come to harbor a special contempt for AGW theory doomsayers.

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my OP was 100% sarcasm in case that was not obvious.

let me spell out for you what i really think happened:

1 - Oswald was a nobody just like the retard who was blamed for burning down Reichstag. He was selected to take the blame PRECISELY BECAUSE he did not actually know ANYTHING about the real reasons why JFK was killed and therefore could not spill it. JFK was asassinated by a team of killers hired by the government who opened fire simultaneously from several strategic positions.

2 - Global warming is caused by sun spot activity. Sun spot activity is the cause. Carbon dioxide increase is the SIDE EFFECT of global warming. While humans contribute carbon dioxide they are far from being the only source. In fact carbon dioxide is central to LIFE on earth. It is the mechanism by which energy is transfered between living things. Ultimately the balance of carbon dioxide is simply determined by the temperature of the earth. Its THAT SIMPLE.

3 - USA went to Iraq because both Bush and Cheney were in the oil business and wanted profits for their buddies. Also neo-con is just a different name for zionist. zionists want strategic control of the middle east to ensure favorable conditions for Israel. american taxpayer got stuck with the bill for bailing out Israel and Bush's cronies.

4 - All three buildings on 9-11 were imploded using thermite explosives. But this is far from obvious in case of WTC1 and WTC2 as indeed the plane impacts were quite spectacular. however there was nothing wrong with WTC7 except for tiny fires which a 5 year old could put out with a water gun so it is quite obvious that WTC7 was imploded. WTC1 and 2 were imploded too but that part is frankly irrelevant. In fact that 9-11 truth movement should have never even mentioned that aspect ( implosion of the twins ) as it only serves to confuse the already feeble-minded lemmings.

5 - i think that reptilian stuff is COMPLETE BULL**** !

By definition, conspiracies happen all the time.