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So what if Obama is Muslim?

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Sheesh.


Look...I'm a Christian and believe with all my heart that Christianity is the only true and correct religion.

With that said, I try very hard not to disrespect the beliefs of pagans, hindus, buddhists, Confucians, Cao Dai and so forth. While I don't believe there is any legitmacy or reality to their religion, nonetheless I recognize that it is their sincerely held belief, something that perhaps means a great deal to them, and try to treat it with appropriate respect....such as NOT calling them "loonies" for what they believe, no matter how crazy it sounds to me. I may try to convert them to Christianity, if it seems like they might be open to that possibility, but I won't denigrate them personally for believing what they believe.

(Yeah, I make an exception for radical Islam...I'm not that utterly consistent, so sue me.)

If I encounter a mother who is convinced her children are beautiful and brilliant, when in fact they are homely and dimwitted, I am not going to say "You're a delusional looney, your kids are ugly and stupid." It may be fact, from my perspective, but it would be very cruel to say so to her in such a blunt manner.

A little bit more respect for other's deeply-held spiritual beliefs on DP would go a long way towards furthering civil discourse.



G.
 
It depends. If he is a muslim, yet approves of the political theory of secularism, and realizes like many muslims do that the Middle East is full with corrupted, extremist leaders and terrorists, and acknowledges those very people pose a threat to his country and all in it (christians, jews and muslims), then i dont think it would be dangerous for America if he was a Muslim. And even so, he isnt Christian. I dont consider people "Christians/Muslims/Jews/etc" if they are only that in theory and not practice.

For example, in Turkey, 98% claim they are Muslims, yet less that 13% of that entire population actually practice Islam in their homes. A bit like the UK, only a small minority of all those who claim to be Anglican are actually Anglican in practice and not just say they are.

It's the "for example" part I don't doubt...:) Few Turks in their right mind would claim to be anything other THAN Muslim. They'd end up dead. :lol: We're watching the Iranians trying to break free from the "Love of Allah" right now,,,and hundreds of them are being either killed, or arrested.:roll:

The same can't be said of the Anglicans.
 
Look...I'm a Christian and believe with all my heart that Christianity is the only true and correct religion.
See, that's your problem.

Everyone knows the only true and correct religion is Pastafarianism.;)
 
See, that's your problem.

Everyone knows the only true and correct religion is Pastafarianism.;)

I'm a true believer in the Religion of the Church of Navels. All Life begins thru the "Holy Bippy"...And you WILL BE Judged fit for Heaven only if you have an "Innie".

All "Outies" are unclean, and going to Hell.:lol: May the "Holy Bippy" watch over you.:lol:
 
such as NOT calling them "loonies" for what they believe, no matter how crazy it sounds to me.

Yeah? So your ok with pedophiles?

I may try to convert them to Christianity, if it seems like they might be open to that possibility, but I won't denigrate them personally for believing what they believe.

Surely not just let them live their lives and go to hell :lol:.
 
Yeah? So your ok with pedophiles?


Maybe you could do me the courtesy of assuming I have a little common sense and decency. If that was a joke it wasn't funny.
 
Maybe you could do me the courtesy of assuming I have a little common sense and decency. If that was a joke it wasn't funny.

Just so you know Goshin,,,I'm not attacking you on a personal level. My perspective deals with the knowledge of the historical realities of Religion. Death, Destruction, War, Inquisitions, Holy Wars, Jihads,,,,etc. All done in the Name of God(s)...:roll:

That "History" is still doing the same thing,,,today.:x I don't trust "gods". They always leave Butt-Wipes in charge.:roll:
 
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It's the "for example" part I don't doubt...:) Few Turks in their right mind would claim to be anything other THAN Muslim. They'd end up dead. :lol: We're watching the Iranians trying to break free from the "Love of Allah" right now,,,and hundreds of them are being either killed, or arrested.:roll:

The same can't be said of the Anglicans.

Thats untrue. When i lived in Turkey for a year i knew an English and an American family who where very catholic and attended a church near there neighbourhood set up by an Armenian priest. And ive always been a staunch opposer of Islam, but i understand your position. And welcome to DP ;)
I havent seen you around before.
 
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Maybe you could do me the courtesy of assuming I have a little common sense and decency. If that was a joke it wasn't funny.

Well you said no matter how loony we shouldnt judge them. I counter that with the notion that not all religions are created equal, some are more out there then others and I wouldnt want my President to follow one of the most looney religions.
 
Thats untrue. When i lived in Turkey for a year i knew an English and an American family who where very catholic and attended a church near there neighbourhood set up by an Armenian priest. And ive always been a staunch opposer of Islam, but i understand your position. And welcome to DP ;)
I havent seen you around before.

There's nothing I've said pertaining to Iran, or Islam,,, is untrue. Just look at todays Headlines. Islamic Suicidal Bombers killing In Iraq...Other Sects of Islam.:roll:

Praise Allah.:roll: Right?
And thanks for the welcome. I've been here a week.
 
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There's nothing I've said pertaining to Iran, or Islam,,, is untrue. Just look at todays Headlines. Islamic Suicidal Bombers killing In Iraq...Other Sects of Islam.:roll:


I wasnt referring to Iran, but if you was then yeah your totally right.

Praise Allah.:roll: Right?
And thanks for the welcome. I've been here a week.

Nice to see another intelligent mind join dp!
 
Well you said no matter how loony we shouldnt judge them. I counter that with the notion that not all religions are created equal, some are more out there then others and I wouldnt want my President to follow one of the most looney religions.


Okay, I concede that you have a point. You'll note that I said that I made exception for radical Islam. Go ahead and assume that I also make exception for other evil SOB's like pedophiles and such.

Those are extremes and not mainstreams...my point was that just a little bit more respect for other people's religious beliefs on DP would be a real breath of fresh air.

Some of you folks can be really vicious or petty toward people of faith with little or no provocation. Sometimes I wonder why I'm still here, to be honest.


G.
 
Okay, I concede that you have a point. You'll note that I said that I made exception for radical Islam. Go ahead and assume that I also make exception for other evil SOB's like pedophiles and such.

Those are extremes and not mainstreams...my point was that just a little bit more respect for other people's religious beliefs on DP would be a real breath of fresh air.

Some of you folks can be really vicious or petty toward people of faith with little or no provocation. Sometimes I wonder why I'm still here, to be honest.


G.

I admit I'm "vicious, and hostile" toward Religion,,,when its main goal is to kill me for their idea of "god, and heaven".:roll: Islam is my prime example. Now if this was the 12th-16th Century in Europe,,,I'd have the same feeling toward Christians.

Take care.
 
I admit I'm "vicious, and hostile" toward Religion,,,when its main goal is to kill me for their idea of "god, and heaven".:roll: Islam is my prime example. Now if this was the 12th-16th Century in Europe,,,I'd have the same feeling toward Christians.

Take care.

Oh please.
You are worthless to me nor worth me wasting life in hell to take your life.

What do we Muslims have to gain from killing you?
Please use your brain.

If we were going to kill people because Allah told us, grant us some standards
 
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Some of you folks can be really vicious or petty toward people of faith with little or no provocation. Sometimes I wonder why I'm still here, to be honest.


G.

Meh, You get used to it after about a year
 
Oh please.
You are worthless to me nor worth me wasting life in hell to take your life.

What do we Muslims have to gain from killing a nobody like yourself?
Please use your brain.

If we were going to kill people because Allah told us, grant us some standards

Ask your fellow Muslims/Liberals that question...:lol: As to why they continue to blow themselves up,,,and others up for allah(l/c).:roll: Stupidity,Ignorance, Brain Dead?:lol:
 
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Ask your fellow Muslims that question...:lol: As to why they continue to blow themselves up,,,and others up for allah(l/c).:roll: Stupidity,Ignorance, Brain Dead?:lol:

No one blows themselves up for Allah.
They blow themselves up to reach a aim, most likely political.

The answer is NO ONE wants to kill someone like you.
Hardly worth our attention, do not flatter yourself.
 
I didnt mean to cause a Religious war here, I appologize.

I simply prefer that our leaders should be Secular and if they hold beliefs I would feel better about them if their faight was a bit mainstream and workable in our traditions as a nation built upon the Judeo/Christian ideals.

I dont view Mormonism as a mainstream religion and find it looney, sorry but that is the truth.

I find Hinduism cant work with our ideals because of its caste system.
 
We really should differentiate between extremeists that follow Islam and regular people that follow Islam. Just like we differentiate between extremeist Christians that blow up abortion clinics and regular Christians.
 
I didnt mean to cause a Religious war here, I appologize.

I simply prefer that our leaders should be Secular and if they hold beliefs I would feel better about them if their faight was a bit mainstream and workable in our traditions as a nation built upon the Judeo/Christian ideals.

I dont view Mormonism as a mainstream religion and find it looney, sorry but that is the truth.

I find Hinduism cant work with our ideals because of its caste system.

Actually Mormons are very good with economics. I feel that at this point they would be better in the white house than Christians. And this is coming from someone who feels that organized religion of any kind is looney.
 
No one blows themselves up for Allah.
They blow themselves up to reach a aim, most likely political.

The answer is NO ONE wants to kill someone like you.
Hardly worth our attention, do not flatter yourself.

So,,,you have a lot of idiots willing to kill themselves over a "Political Party"...:lol: As you being a Liberal,,, how soon can we expect your "vote"?:mrgreen:
 
Who mentioned a party? :roll:

Are you being deliberately stupid or am i just unlucky?
 
Who mentioned a party? :roll:

Are you being deliberately stupid or am i just unlucky?

It's listed underneath your ICON.:lol: LIBERAL...:) I can assume then, that you're brain-dead,,,instead of Muslim?:lol:

Same thing.
 
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This from the person who most likely knows nothing about Islam yet sees fit to discuss it. :roll:

Does pretending Muslims are after you personally give your life worth that it otherwise lacks?
 
This from the person who most likely knows nothing about Islam yet sees fit to discuss it. :roll:

Does pretending Muslims are after you personally give your life worth that it otherwise lacks?

Does ignoring the everday reality around you cause you discomfort Lay...?:lol: Islamic idiots are self-destructing daily,,,killing others all the time.

Yet,,, you see fit in ignoring that. Yep, you're a Liberal.:lol:
 
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