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So what if Obama is Muslim?

You may select more than one choice:

  • Id be concerned if Obama was a Muslim or Athiest/Agnostic

    Votes: 4 8.3%

  • I wouldnt care if Obama was a Muslim/Athiest/Agnostic

    Votes: 31 64.6%

  • Id care if he was Muslim only

    Votes: 4 8.3%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Total voters
    48
kaya'08 said:
Its sad isnt it, really. For all the talk about America being the best Democracy and the most liberal, and most foward thinking modern nation, we are still discriminating our votes based on religious beliefs and not ideology.
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The United States isn't a democracy, we're a representative republic.
 
I don't think the fact that HE IS A MUSLIM is the major bone of contention. I believe that is that he has lied about that and just about everything else he's said. I'm getting tired of having to repeat this but he admitted he's a Muslim in his own words.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_MpYzR33Dg"]YouTube - Obama finally admits hes Muslim![/nomedia]

Classic Freudian slip? A Freudian slip is defined as; A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal an unconscious belief, thought, or emotion. In other words the truth.
He is using his hidden religion to rape the Nations economy with Cap & Trade and his push for Socialized medicine to include the death to Granny clause. Real Americans wouldn't pull such anti American shenanigans all based on lies, fear tactics and Hoaxes like gobal warming.
 
Oftencold said:
Nope. Read up on the topic. There have certainly been historical perversions, but in modern times, the writ is clear.

Islam on the other hand, only seems to become more repressive when studied more closely and implemented faithfully.

It's been many moons since anything approaching a mainstream Christian organization stoned, beheaded or publicly hung someone for religious offenses. Not so Islam.

Christian women can show their face in any country where Islam does not hold sway. So can any non-Christian woman.

In predominantly Christian countries, publication of tracts ridiculing the prevailing religious dogma is rather unlikely to get one executed, as opposed to countries under the dark influence of Sharia.

The primary non-Jewish advocated of the Jews are Christians.

Typically, in countries dominated by Christians, civil rights of individuals of other faiths are guaranteed.

In Christian countries as opposed to Islamic, rapists are generally considered to be solely responsible for any shame attaching to the act of rape, and not the victim.

One rarely finds a Christian clergyman extolling the virtues and Paradisiacal rewards of blowing ones self up ion order to kill strangers at bus stops.
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If Christianity or Judaism was just as studied and followed as faithfully, it would be no more tolerant than Islam. All 3 major religions do have perversions and intolerance within their scripture in one sense or the other.
European history demonstrates this, christians were highly blood thirsty during the middle ages for example and the wars between the sects was prevelant as was oppression of women and that was partly because there was a fear of God and more people did follow the text closely.

The reason why Christianity is better than Islam in a sense is because the power of it has weakened, secularism has taken root in Europe as has common sense which still has not occured in the wider Muslim world.

To say Islam would be more bloody the more religious Muslims got is nonsense. The golden age of Arab and Islamic studies happened during a highly religious period for Muslims whilst Europe had fallen into the dark ages. There was equality for women where there wasn't none for women in the west and this was at a period where Arabic scholars studied and looked closely at Islam and followed and it was in those texts the tolerance and learning came through.

The only reason why Islam is at this stage now is because it has turned from religion to a political movement. Political Islam is the danger.

And yes, in the West. Christianity is all lovely and dandy but look in Africa where text is being looked at literally the same way the Qu'ran and hadiths is now by some Muslims. Intolerance is there, witch children in Africa. Christian parents killing children because they are witches, disabled children being shunned seen as a curse from God. Homosexuals too scared to show their face because it is seen as a sin. The west has been enlightened, but there are parts of this world where Christianity is implemented in the same barbaric way Islam is.

No religion is immune from the stupidity and manipulation of human beings.
 
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Councilman said:
I don't think the fact that HE IS A MUSLIM is the major bone of contention. I believe that is that he has lied about that and just about everything else he's said. I'm getting tired of having to repeat this but he admitted he's a Muslim in his own words.
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Are you TRYING to get this thread moved to Conspiracy Theories?

Unless you have a Constitutional issue to raise, or wish to take up a discussion of al-taqiyya, your words add nothing to this thread.
 
Councilman said:
I don't think the fact that HE IS A MUSLIM is the major bone of contention. I believe that is that he has lied about that and just about everything else he's said. I'm getting tired of having to repeat this but he admitted he's a Muslim in his own words.

YouTube - Obama finally admits hes Muslim!

Classic Freudian slip? A Freudian slip is defined as; A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal an unconscious belief, thought, or emotion. In other words the truth.
He is using his hidden religion to rape the Nations economy with Cap & Trade and his push for Socialized medicine to include the death to Granny clause. Real Americans wouldn't pull such anti American shenanigans all based on lies, fear tactics and Hoaxes like gobal warming.
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Bro, your link goes to a Rick Rolled utube video. :shock::doh
 
kaya'08 said:
Im a supposed to be impressed? :lol:
I dont think we're interested in details.
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There is a HUGE difference between the two. Just an FYI.
 
stevenb said:
There is a HUGE difference between the two. Just an FYI.
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Its generally viewed, though it may be theoretically incorrect, that America is a nation, not a nation of states so to speak. The hell do you expect me to do? Name every single American state? America is a Democracy, is a liberal nation, of one peoples. Lets leave it at that, please?
 
kaya'08 said:
Its generally viewed, though it may be theoretically incorrect, that America is a nation, not a nation of states so to speak. The hell do you expect me to do? Name every single American state? America is a Democracy, is a liberal nation, of one peoples. Lets leave it at that, please?
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Except, it's not.

America is a representative republic.

Sorry, just cause you say it's something else doesn't make it that... and is quite ****ing retarded.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE"]YouTube - The American Form of Government[/ame]
 
"Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few."

John Adams
 
The term "Democracy" is widely used now to mean "a form of government comprised of representatives elected by the people".

That is actually a Republic, but the misuse of the term "Democracy" in this manner has become so entrenched that I mostly quit fighting it.

The fact is that US politics and political structure, and the relationship between the Federal gov't and the States, is complex and layered and even politically-astute Americans argue over the nuances.

Yes, I sometimes get annoyed when folks not from the USA oversimplify or misconstrue aspects of the US political system, but then to be fair there are many details and subtleties of the UK/Commonwealth system that I am unfamiliar with (and usually don't care much about).
 
Goshin said:
The term "Democracy" is widely used now to mean "a form of government comprised of representatives elected by the people".

That is actually a Republic, but the misuse of the term "Democracy" in this manner has become so entrenched that I mostly quit fighting it.

The fact is that US politics and political structure, and the relationship between the Federal gov't and the States, is complex and layered and even politically-astute Americans argue over the nuances.

Yes, I sometimes get annoyed when folks not from the USA oversimplify or misconstrue aspects of the US political system, but then to be fair there are many details and subtleties of the UK/Commonwealth system that I am unfamiliar with (and usually don't care much about).
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The big difference is we don't sit here and say they're communists.. or socialists.. at least I don't.. because I'm not 100% sure what those retards over there are.
 
Goshin said:
Yes, I sometimes get annoyed when folks not from the USA oversimplify or misconstrue aspects of the US political system, but then to be fair there are many details and subtleties of the UK/Commonwealth system that I am unfamiliar with (and usually don't care much about).
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UK has arguably a form of federal system in the shape of devolution but obviously Parliament can take those powers devolved to Scottish Parliament (too powerful imo), Welsh and N Ireland assembles (not powerful enough) back at any time.
What is so confusing about the commonwealth?

Edit: Oh and then there is the EU layer on top of that.
A federal Europe this time next year if Lisbon passes Ireland *shudders*
 
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stevenb said:
The big difference is we don't sit here and say they're communists.. or socialists.. at least I don't.. because I'm not 100% sure what those retards over there are.
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We're not communist yet ... if Labour has anything to do with it, this will soon change :2wave:
 
Laila said:
We're not communist yet ... if Labour has anything to do with it, this will soon change :2wave:
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lol, well my point was I don't speculate on your political system over there like kaila is of our's. :)
 
stevenb said:
lol, well my point was I don't speculate on your political system over there like kaila is of our's. :)
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Point taken =D
Our political system is pretty simple on paper, no need to speculate

We operate under a Parliamentary system with a constitutional Monarchy where the Queen is head of state and Prime Minister is head of Government.
 
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I could care less what religion Obama was, and either way, it shouldn't matter. The US is not a theocracy. His religious principles have nothing to do with his ability to be a moral man, or his ability to govern.
 
Anima said:
I could care less what religion Obama was, and either way, it shouldn't matter. The US is not a theocracy. His religious principles have nothing to do with his ability to be a moral man, or his ability to govern.
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Good point, even if he doesn't have religious principles, the ability to be a moral man, or an ability to govern.

Bottom line, the Constitution precludes applying a religious test for any public office in the United States. If Dear Leader is a Muslim, then he's as bad a Muslim in private as he's been a Christian in public. That's where the criticism belongs--not for the faith he pretends to hold, but for the lack of faith-based principles he displays.
 
celticlord said:
Good point, even if he doesn't have religious principles, the ability to be a moral man, or an ability to govern.

Bottom line, the Constitution precludes applying a religious test for any public office in the United States. If Dear Leader is a Muslim, then he's as bad a Muslim in private as he's been a Christian in public. That's where the criticism belongs--not for the faith he pretends to hold, but for the lack of faith-based principles he displays.
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I've got to be honest and say I don't think he needs faith-based principles. I don't think anyone does. I also don't see why people are convinced he's not a Christian, when simply the word of former Republican presidents was enough, even if they were not seen to attend church or have knowledge of the Christian Bible.
 
Anima said:
I've got to be honest and say I don't think he needs faith-based principles. I don't think anyone does. I also don't see why people are convinced he's not a Christian, when simply the word of former Republican presidents was enough, even if they were not seen to attend church or have knowledge of the Christian Bible.
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His background plays a role and it is a way of trying to attack him imo.
Because he spent some time in a Muslim country must mean he is still one or even better, his father is one so he must be. It is pitiful but only a minority are convinced he is not who he says he is even tho the evidence shows different
 
Laila said:
His background plays a role and it is a way of trying to attack him imo.
Because he spent some time in a Muslim country must mean he is still one or even better, his father is one so he must be. It is pitiful but only a minority are convinced he is not who he says he is even tho the evidence shows different
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There's actually a little more to it than that, Laila. As I recall he went to a madrassa, a Muslim religious school, in his youth, but he said "it didn't take". Given our current war-on-terror status, that sort of thing worried some people. Some are still worried by it.

THAT doesn't concern me greatly. IMHO Obama's true religion is Radical Leftism...and that does worry me.
 
Goshin said:
There's actually a little more to it than that, Laila. As I recall he went to a madrassa, a Muslim religious school, in his youth, but he said "it didn't take". Given our current war-on-terror status, that sort of thing worried some people. Some are still worried by it.

THAT doesn't concern me greatly. IMHO Obama's true religion is Radical Leftism...and that does worry me.
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Why does it matter?
My brother and cousin attended madrassa, one married a jew and the other is gay. I mean seriously, are we judging people from where they went as a child.

Seeing Muslims are more patriotic in US than they are in Europe (generally speaking), i'd love it if European Muslims loved their countries even half as much as American Muslims love theirs. It is something i think alot of Americans take for granted.
Infact i remember listening to radio a few days after London bombings and it stated some American Muslim leaders approached the American authorities to ask how to aid them in preventing the same thing occuring there, homegrown terrorism.
 
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