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Should a person be allowed to commit suicide?

Should the state allow people to commit suicide?


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Still haven't answered my question...

I have answered your question. I simply have not given the answer you want. You want yes or no. You want me to take responsibility for whether the person lives or dies by saying they should be forced to live or helped to die.

I know that when people are determined to commit suicide that is exactly what they do.

It therefore is not my choice.

My choice would be to do everything I could to make their life worth living.

If they choose to kill themselves they would need to do that on their own.

I do not support euthanasia for depression.
 
The issue is too complex for simple answers.

In most cases, I'd say that the individual in question would be ill, and should be restrained.

On the other hand, if someone wishes to refuse life-prolonging treatment, I would be more inclined to accept their decision without forceful interference.
 
I have answered your question. I simply have not given the answer you want. You want yes or no. You want me to take responsibility for whether the person lives or dies by saying they should be forced to live or helped to die.

I know that when people are determined to commit suicide that is exactly what they do.

It therefore is not my choice.

My choice would be to do everything I could to make their life worth living.

If they choose to kill themselves they would need to do that on their own.

I do not support euthanasia for depression.

You would make a good politician, you're good at evading questions. If you won't answer my previous question then please answer this one, would you rather have a person be in a mental institute their whole live or let them end their life if they were depressed for a very long time? This isn't a trick question I just want to know your opinion and where you stand on this issue.
 
i was raised to believe that Suicide was the ultimate sin
I later decided on my own, with some help by my mom, that Suicide is usually the Most SELFISH act one can commit
But than, after seeing all the problems in teh world, I really could not give 2 ****s if someone offs themself

one less thing to worry about :shrug:

until this past weekend

A friend of mine after losing his joke of a job with the county (for drinking on the job) wrecked his personal van under questionable circumstances (full bottle of pills, nobody else involved, no brake marks).
but hey, **** happens, and he was going through a life change in a horrible economy, when the poor bastard had gone through Bankruptcy last year(the debt restructuring one). But than this weekend the loser drove his motorcycle right, at a high rate of speed, into the concrete wall of a building, again with no brake marks

The cops who arrived on scene, could not believe he survived (no helmet law in Fl)
He was medevac'd to the trauma center where the staff told his wife they gave him a 2% chance of surviving, drained the fluids on his brain, and put him on life support. He than chewed through the intubation tube in a yet 3rd suicide attempt. meanwhile his wife, is the widow of his best friend who died of AIDS, and she did not abandon that guy, so i do not see her abandoning this douche. Sweet to a fault IMO, despite being an biker/stripper/lived the hard life until their 50's, because she is ****ed with a an upside down house payment, that she has no possible way of keeping up, on a barely above minimum wage job, plus 2 0f the assets they were paying restructured financing on, are completely destroyed

For the sake of the wife, and because he has turned out to be a selfish prick and saddled his abused wife with this situation, I would much prefer he just die. Doctors are doing all they can do to save him, but without the will to survive, I do not see him making it.

And why should they waste the expenses/resources.
he wants out, let him have it. his spine is broke in multiple places, and he is fighting the drs' at every turn despite being barely conscious

somebody else committing suicide has no bearing on me and my life, provide we are not related/associated
in this case his wife, who will not 'abandon him,'' would be better off if the selfish prick just died
 
So you want people to suffer through life?

Where did I say that? I said that I wanted people to be able to utilise the treatments on offer for depression, which are numerous and varied. I don't belive any case of depression is inncurable, nor do I believe anyone should have to be in the position where they feel that all continued life will bring is pain. There are always new things to try to make life better.
 
I don't see how the legality of it is really a factor. They're dead... WTF you gonna do? Punish their corpse?
 
I don't see how the legality of it is really a factor. They're dead... WTF you gonna do? Punish their corpse?
unless you are unsuccessful...
which could be another reason to end ones life :lol:
 
Where did I say that? I said that I wanted people to be able to utilise the treatments on offer for depression, which are numerous and varied. I don't belive any case of depression is inncurable, nor do I believe anyone should have to be in the position where they feel that all continued life will bring is pain. There are always new things to try to make life better.

So would you rather a person be in a mental institute for a very long time being depressed and hate their life or would you let them take their life?
 
unless you are unsuccessful...
which could be another reason to end ones life :lol:

LOL exactly. Someone tries to off themselves, fails, it's illegal so what now? You lock them up? Give them even MORE reason to off themselves?

I mean, none of it makes any sense at all to me.
 
So would you rather a person be in a mental institute for a very long time being depressed and hate their life or would you let them take their life?
how else does the medical community learn from teh condition and learn to treat/prevent it from happening in the future

Imagine some mentally unstable SOBs who may be better off dead, actuallly providing insight and help for future sufferer's. Isn't medicine really about fixing people? i know some have perverted the Hippocratic oath to eliminate 'Do no Harm', but that seems to be the core principle of the role of a healer, regardless of degree
 
LOL exactly. Someone tries to off themselves, fails, it's illegal so what now? You lock them up? Give them even MORE reason to off themselves?

I mean, none of it makes any sense at all to me.
just like there is a lighter sentence for Attempted murder than actual murder
so one is rewarded for being incompetent, where as the other is punished harsher for doing what (s)he set out to do. To me there is no difference, and it is a more important thing to reform

results have no bearing on Intent: whether ones victim dies or not the intent was the same. Fry em all, that will help with the overpopulation :lol:
 
Absolutely not, and they should be executed if they attempt it! :mad:
adn here some of us thought you were banned
yet you have temp suspended, while posting
so who is this in support of????????
since i only got thread banned last night, i am guessing it is not me
 
When someone is not in their right mind, i find it incredibly hard to believe that they do a cost benefit analysis of whether failing and going to jail for attempting suicide is not worth the trouble. The legality of it is most likely the last thing on their mind when attempting suicide, let alone a deterrent.

Someone who really wants to kill themselves will do it, and there is nothing anyone can affectingly do to stop them except for locking them up. That would probably make them want to kill themselves even more.
 
When someone is not in their right mind, i find it incredibly hard to believe that they do a cost benefit analysis of whether failing and going to jail for attempting suicide is not worth the trouble. The legality of it is most likely the last thing on their mind when attempting suicide, let alone a deterrent.

Someone who really wants to kill themselves will do it, and there is nothing anyone can affectingly do to stop them except for locking them up. That would probably make them want to kill themselves even more.
clearly you did not read what i just posted on the previous page because it was too long :shrug:
 
adn here some of us thought you were banned
yet you have temp suspended, while posting
so who is this in support of????????
since i only got thread banned last night, i am guessing it is not me

To confuse Apocalypse. :mrgreen:

And sorry, ARC, I didn't see you beat me to the execution line. Got it now. :2wave:
 
LOL exactly. Someone tries to off themselves, fails, it's illegal so what now? You lock them up? Give them even MORE reason to off themselves?

I mean, none of it makes any sense at all to me.
It's more about the state doing its best to stop the suicide from happening instead of just standing aside and allowing the person to off himself.
As far as I know, people who tried to suicide do not receive punishment from the state, but rather support.
 
It's more about the state doing its best to stop the suicide from happening instead of just standing aside and allowing the person to off himself.
As far as I know, people who tried to suicide do not receive punishment from the state, but rather support.

I have a gun to my head right now, what's the state going to do to stop me?

Nothing, that's what. And IMO, they have no reason to anyway.
 
It's more about the state doing its best to stop the suicide from happening instead of just standing aside and allowing the person to off himself.
As far as I know, people who tried to suicide do not receive punishment from the state, but rather support.
yet virtually all attempts of the Federal govt to 'Prevent" something has failed

like the police they are their to respond to 'things', except for the rare flukes where they just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

it just doesnt happen enough to be policy
 
I have a gun to my head right now, what's the state going to do to stop me?

Nothing, that's what. And IMO, they have no reason to anyway.
:roll:
The state can't help a case it doesn't know about.

I've heard about a lot of cases where the police had stopped a person from killing himself seconds before he did it.
 
yet virtually all attempts of the Federal govt to 'Prevent" something has failed

like the police they are their to respond to 'things', except for the rare flukes where they just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

it just doesnt happen enough to be policy
I don't know how it is over there, over here it is an obvious policy.
A person has tried to kill himself on an online blog, one of the bloggers reported to the police, the police got the IP and sent a unit to the person's house, bashed the door and stopped the person seconds from hanging himself up.
 
I don't know how it is over there, over here it is an obvious policy.
A person has tried to kill himself on an online blog, one of the bloggers reported to the police, the police got the IP and sent a unit to the person's house, bashed the door and stopped the person seconds from hanging himself up.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh good for you (christian bale)

1 saved out of how many suicides that year?????????????????

yeah, that is what i thought
 
Absolutely they should be able to.

I am the owner of my body. What I do with it is my own business as long as I do not infringe on someone else's rights, period.

The right to your own person is fundamental. Without even the the right to decide what I do to my own body, other rights are useless because in the end, you are owned by the state.

Of course I would try to help him/her out as most suicide attempts are a cry for attention/help in some form. This is why most suicides fail. They are not serious attempts but a call for help.
 
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yet in a fit of temporary insanity, contrary to your own personal beliefs you decide to kill yourself in the heat of the moment
After the state saves your life, you are grateful becuase it was only a temporary weakness you had not desire to make it a permanent solution

is it still wrong?
 
yet in a fit of temporary insanity, contrary to your own personal beliefs you decide to kill yourself in the heat of the moment
After the state saves your life, you are grateful becuase it was only a temporary weakness you had not desire to make it a permanent solution

is it still wrong?

Sorry but that scenario is irrelevant.

It would not change my view one bit.
 
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