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What are the things about Obama and Bush do you believe?

What are the things about Obama and Bush do you believe?

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earthworm said:
I believe very little of what people have to say about others...And even less about what the media says..
There are 3 to 5 people here who are not particularly intelligent.
Man is a consummate liar.:spin:
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The same could be said about the other 9-21 people.
 
The option are for the simpleton.

I believe that Bush was willing to make bold decisions after receiving bad guidance from idiots. And Obama is scared to make bold decisions despite good giudance from the right people.
 
GySgt said:
The option are for the simpleton.

I believe that Bush was willing to make bold decisions after receiving bad guidance from idiots. And Obama is scared to make bold decisions despite good guidance from the right people.
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I have a small degree of sympathy for your position re Dubya, who were these idiots and who appointed them to the positions of influence?
 
B L Zeebub said:
I have a small degree of sympathy for your position re Dubya, who were these idiots and who appointed them to the positions of influence?
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Well, the same guy that rid the military of Rumsfeld enlisted Lake, Nasr, and Patreaus. In the end, our elected Presidents are only as wise as their advisors, especially those who have no military experience yet order the charge of those who do.
 
GySgt said:
Well, the same guy that rid the military of Rumsfeld enlisted Lake, Nasr, and Patreaus. In the end, our elected Presidents are only as wise as their advisors, especially those who have no military experience yet order the charge of those who do.
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Forgive me, I thought Dubya gained military experience defending the sky above Texas, from those deadly North Vietnamese, long range, tactical ricksaw bombers?
 
B L Zeebub said:
Forgive me, I thought Dubya gained military experience defending the sky above Texas, from those deadly North Vietnamese, long range, tactical ricksaw bombers?
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Bush was in the Army National Guard Reserve. Therefore, he has no military experience. Clinton started a White House tradition. What is your point?
 
sam_w said:
Bush went AWOL - I do not believe he fully complied 110% with his commitment to the National Guard, but that is hardly the issue. The entire reason he was there in the first place was due to his class and political patronage. There is nothing wrong with the honesty of one saying they simply do not want to get shot at. But for one to be FOR a war they where unwilling to serve is despicable. Remember, he did run against Gore (U.S. Army- Vietnam) and Kerry (Navy-Vietnam), both of whom could have easily used their own class and connections to avoid serving. Hypocrite yes, AWOL who cares.

Bush stole the elections(2000 and or 2004) - Bush did not steal the election, but I think it is safe to say that the 2000 was certainly contentious, problematic, etc.. The positive was that the issue was brought to the forefront on how we conduct elections and their efficiencies. As for 2004, sure there are questions, but that does not equate to a "conspiracy", but rather that the lessons of 2000 were not learned. Both simply show that the process needs vast improvement, something both sides need to get behind.

Bush lied to get us into war(Afghanistan and or Iraq) - This is a no-brainer. They tied their message to facts known to be false or misleading. Afghanistan needed no lies and distortions, this was justified.

Bush masterminded 9-11 - Tinfoil hat time. Hell, why stop with Bush, let's throw in the Tri-Lateral Commission. Better yet, why not add Castro and the Mafia to this conspiracy. Incompetence at ignoring the warnings, the NSC briefings, and their own Counter-Terrorism czar yes.

Obama is not a natural born citizen - Tinfoil? I have to suspect a lot of the birthers are less concerned with the conspiracy and more interesting in exploiting hatred and fears.

Obama is a Muslim. - Muslim? It is not even worth arguing. What is troubling is the mere argument, as if the equation of a religion automatically is a sign of something. So then what is the difference now in anti-Islamic and Antisemitism? Why not add Mormons as well. Why stop with religion, why not shoot for race as well? I know, let's target all Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Hispanics, Arabs, Africans, Asians, etc..
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This pretty much says it all:applaud
 
I believe they'd look rather similar after you scrape off their skin and dunk them in Tabasco sauce.
 
You should have added " They are owned by the same masters"--Bankers
 
GySgt said:
Bush was in the Army National Guard Reserve. Therefore, he has no military experience. Clinton started a White House tradition. What is your point?
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I don't think anyone really STARTED that tradition...it's just a result of our nation's history. We haven't really fought any large-scale wars since WWII, or even any medium-scale wars since Vietnam. Vets of those wars are reaching the age when they're too old to be seriously considered for the presidency.

The chances that we'll ever have a veteran of Desert Storm, Kosovo, Afghanistan, or Iraq serving as president are probably less than 50-50, IMO. There just aren't that many of them compared to the size of the population.
 
Kandahar said:
I don't think anyone really STARTED that tradition...it's just a result of our nation's history. We haven't really fought any large-scale wars since WWII, or even any medium-scale wars since Vietnam. Vets of those wars are reaching the age when they're too old to be seriously considered for the presidency.

The chances that we'll ever have a veteran of Desert Storm, Kosovo, Afghanistan, or Iraq serving as president are probably less than 50-50, IMO. There just aren't that many of them compared to the size of the population.
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It's also not fashionable to wear a uniform. Since Vietnam, our elite has disdained military service as something to scoff at. The whiners and cowards of the universities circa the 1960s are now our nations leaders. And their children will and do learn from their parents. The result of this is a Democratic Party riding the backs of our military from one effort to another throughout the 90s and led by a hypocrit that ran from military service yet assumes the role of sending off to kill for him. Another result is a Republican Party sending the military off into the Middle East on a massive scale led by a man who voiced his pointless and pathetic National Guard time over the skies of America as "military experience" and the disasterous mishandlings of a SECDEF that denied the voice of our most experienced Generals. And today we see another result where a President is more concerned about political points in the media over a dead civilian or two than allowing his military (which he is increasing in theater) to protect itself properly.

Another horrible result is the Defense Industry's ability to run all over our politicians and dictate how they spend our money with little understanding of what their military needs or requires to fight the battles and wars they are all too quick to send into harms way. When politicians get big things wrong, they still get reelected. When academics get big things wrong, they get tenure. When military officers get even the smallest thing wrong, people die. This gives our military leaders a seriousness we rarely encounter elsewhere. Somehow, the deadly theories our academics hatch up in a classroom or the death incurred due to bad decisions making of civilians in suits its glossed over. And when our politicians, who have no military experience and assume to know better than the duty experts, make bad decisions and force our military to defy histories lessons on warfare they are more murderous and dangerous than even our enemies.

And everything has a start.
 
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if anyone answers yes to any of those questions they shouldn't be allowed to post (due to intellectual deficiencies) although obama's refusal to come up w/ a birth certificate is a little shoddy
 
the bush ones are just plain stupid:doh:doh:doh:doh:doh
 
GySgt said:
It's also not fashionable to wear a uniform. Since Vietnam, our elite has disdained military service as something to scoff at. The whiners and cowards of the universities circa the 1960s are now our nations leaders. And their children will and do learn from their parents. The result of this is a Democratic Party riding the backs of our military from one effort to another throughout the 90s and led by a hypocrit that ran from military service yet assumes the role of sending off to kill for him. Another result is a Republican Party sending the military off into the Middle East on a massive scale led by a man who voiced his pointless and pathetic National Guard time over the skies of America as "military experience" and the disasterous mishandlings of a SECDEF that denied the voice of our most experienced Generals. And today we see another result where a President is more concerned about political points in the media over a dead civilian or two than allowing his military (which he is increasing in theater) to protect itself properly.
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I disagree. There is no disdain for military service in this country...the numbers of veterans has simply declined dramatically from one generation to the next. I live in one of the most liberal cities in America, and I have never encountered anyone who doesn't like military service. And let's not forget that both the Democrats (2004) and Republicans (2008) recently nominated a decorated Vietnam veteran for the presidency. However, it may be the last time for a while. If there aren't any veterans of, say, Desert Storm that make it to the White House, it won't be because "it's not fashionable to wear a uniform." It will be because there just aren't that many of them, because we haven't fought any major wars recently, because the world is a much safer place today.
 
With 1 in 5 Americans believing that Obama is Muslim I figure it is time to bring this poll back. Because I am sure everyone is just enjoys poking fun at the birther nuts and the Obama is a muslim crowd.
 
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None of the above, of course.
Politics are filthy, but it does not have to be that way..
Its no wonder so many people are turned off by politics.
 
Le Marteau said:
Well, the bit about the WMDs in Iraq isn't even a conspiracy theory.
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Off-topic; welcome to Debate Politics!

Good poll, I'm glad it got resuscitated.
 
**** I voted wrong. Anyways I don't really believe any of that, some of it might be half true though.
 
jamesrage said:
What are the things about Obama and Bush do you believe?
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Okay.

jamesrage said:
Bush went AWOL
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I think he stayed in the Air National Guard but didn't serve with any distinction, much like Al Gore, so I don't even see this as an issue.

jamesrage said:
Bush stole the elections(2000 and or 2004)
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Halfway, but I voted yes anyways. I don't think it was Bush who stole the 2000 elections; rather, I think it was the Republican National Convention and conservative Supreme Court justices who did it for him.

I don't think he stole the elections in 2004.

jamesrage said:
Bush lied to get us into war(Afghanistan and or Iraq)
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Absolutely. We went into Iraq because the Bush administration said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Seven years later we've pulled out our last combat brigade and still haven't found any. He definitely lied about Iraq.

He's lied about Afghanistan as well. He could've sent Special Forces units to capture Osama bin Laden early in the whole conflict. He didn't so he could have a full blown war and give out no-bid contracts to his corporate campaign donors. The killing of Osama bin Laden wouldn't have ended the war, and it wouldn't have put an end to Al Quaeda. However, it would have gotten the man responsible for the planning of the 9/11 Attack, which was why we went into Afghanistan in the first place.

jamesrage said:
Bush masterminded 9-11
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Not at all. Bush isn't that psycho. Cheney and Rumsfeld, however...

jamesrage said:
Obama is not a natural born citizen
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Don't believe it. Obama is absolutely a natural born citizen of the U.S.

jamesrage said:
Obama is a Muslim.
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Don't believe it. I believe that Obama, like the majority of other politicians, including conservatives, are publicly religious for political theater only and is privately agnostic or don't let any religious views get in the way of their politicking. So what his religious beliefs are don't really matter at all.
 
samsmart said:
He's lied about Afghanistan as well. He could've sent Special Forces units to capture Osama bin Laden early in the whole conflict. He didn't so he could have a full blown war and give out no-bid contracts to his corporate campaign donors. The killing of Osama bin Laden wouldn't have ended the war, and it wouldn't have put an end to Al Quaeda. However, it would have gotten the man responsible for the planning of the 9/11 Attack, which was why we went into Afghanistan in the first place.
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You should rent "10 Ways to Kill Bin Laden" from the History Channel. There were Special forces attempts on his life... in fact it's widely known about how Bin Laden slipped away that night... this documentary more clearly explains why it happened. Very interesting show.
 
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