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Do you ever knowingly break the law?

Do you ever knowingly break the law?

  • Yes - I break a law now and then.

    Votes: 48 94.1%

  • No - I never break a law even if I do not agree with it.

    Votes: 3 5.9%
  • Total voters
    51
Tucker Case said:
Yeah, but I hate whiners who are willing to break laws and then bitch about the consequences of breaking those laws. If you believe in it enough to break the law, you should willingly accept the consequences.

I break the law because I felt it needed breaking, not because I think I can or should be able to avoid the consequences.
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I know, I hate whiners.

Like back in the day, when slaves were caught running and received 50 lashes. How dare they whine about breaking the law. do the crime, do the time, I always say. :mrgreen:

But seriously, when it comes to crimes where the victim is truthfully the one "breaking the law", I support them whining to their hearts content.
 
Baralis said:
Do you ever knowingly break the law because you do not agree with that particular law?

Examples:

Speed limit is 25mph and you feel it should be faster so you knowingly let your self go faster then 25mph.

Or

You download movie torrents because you think movie makers shaft consumers.

Or

You open a beer on the drive home knowing you will not surpass the blood alcohol limit even tho you break the open container law.

Just some examples of what I know normal law abiding people occationaly do.
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I don't think anyone with any smarts wants to admit to anything here more drastic than a little speeding. Not on an open Internet forum.

I have an admiration for what Heinlein said, roughly:

"I am free, no matter what laws surround me. Those laws I find tolerable, I tolerate. Those I find intolerable, I break.... Remember the eleventh commandment, Thou Shalt Not Get Caught At It."
 
ARealConservative said:
I know, I hate whiners.

Like back in the day, when slaves were caught running and received 50 lashes. How dare they whine about breaking the law. do the crime, do the time, I always say. :mrgreen:

But seriously, when it comes to crimes where the victim is truthfully the one "breaking the law", I support them whining to their hearts content.
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Fight the law, not the punishment.
 
I like to scream "FIRE" in the movie theater. It's a stupid law anyways!:mrgreen:
 
Tucker Case said:
Fight the law, not the punishment.
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for unjust laws, fight both.

And then fight the guy calling you a whiner for fighting the consequences of bad law.

ITS GO TIME TUCKER
 
Goshin said:
I don't think anyone with any smarts wants to admit to anything here more drastic than a little speeding. Not on an open Internet forum.
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I'll admit to doing all sorts of things more drastic than a little speeding. I just refuse to specify what they are. :mrgreen:
 
Baralis said:
Do you ever knowingly break the law because you do not agree with that particular law?
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Not really, at least nothing is coming to mind. I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to laws/rules.


But I do try to change laws/rules if I don't agree with them.


:2wave:
 
tlmorg02 said:
I like to scream "FIRE" in the movie theater. It's a stupid law anyways!:mrgreen:
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So THAT's what I've been doing wrong!

I was wondering why everybody looked at me funny and then ignored me, when I went into the firehouse and screamed "MOVIE!"

I had the silly thing in reverse... :mrgreen:
 
Goshin said:
So THAT's what I've been doing wrong!

I was wondering why everybody looked at me funny and then ignored me, when I went into the firehouse and screamed "MOVIE!"

I had the silly thing in reverse... :mrgreen:
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joke repetition fail. :2razz:

(see post 55)
 
Jerry said:
Tomorrow...I'll J-walk...that's right, I said it, WTF are you gonna do about it?
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J-walking, now thats a retarded law.

So retarded, cops do it every day on their way from the Police Headquarters to the court in downtown.

And they encourage other citizens around them to do it too if the steupid walk sign is not switching with zero cars visible by the human eye.

(I spelled steupid wrong on purpose).
 
Tucker Case said:
Yeah, but I hate whiners who are willing to break laws and then bitch about the consequences of breaking those laws. If you believe in it enough to break the law, you should willingly accept the consequences.

I break the law because I felt it needed breaking, not because I think I can or should be able to avoid the consequences.
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Agreeeed.

Whats more funny is when someone tells me I am ruining their life because they are being arrested.

Im like, last time I checked if you weren't the one doing this then you wouldn't be getting arrested, YOU are ruining YOUR life.

People who blame cops for what they are doing wrong are lame.
 
Tucker Case said:
Fight the law, not the punishment.
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....unless your from the south, and 'the law' is actually a euphemism for the police. Then I wouldn't recommend fighting 'the law'. Its a good way to get your ass beat.

On a serious note though, its not the police you should have issue with when dealing with a retarded law, its the legislators. You know, those people that are sometimes referred to as 'lawmakers'
 
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Dav said:
If I break a law, it's because it's convenient and easy. It's NOT because I disagree with it. Disagreement with a law, in my view, is a dumb excuse for ignoring it. If we only paid attention to the laws we agreed with, laws would fail to carry any weight.
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I agree with this too.

I'll admit I break laws, alot of times laws are broken due to laziness or forgetfulness, or inattention, or convenience.

I don't go out thinking of stupid laws I don't like and break them just because I don't agree with them, thats just dumb.
 
I don’t believe in "the law." Its not my religion. Whether a law was broken is not always a clear-cut question anyway. There also is a difference between personal behavior regulating laws (traffic, drugs) that I tend to ignore limiting myself only on questions of what I can get away with and laws related to offenses against other people (theft, violence) where laws on violence are not precise.

I was arrested or detained many times for assault type issues before my life changed notably. No convictions. The line between defense and offense can be blurred. When does legal defense shift to illegal offense? If you are defending yourself or someone else from assault how far can that defense go? For example if a person tries to hit you how many times can you hit the person in defense? 1? 5? 50? Can you break bones? If so, how many? Does the abilities of the people involve matter and if so how much?

Some people would underestimate me and over estimate themselves possibly due to being drunk or drugged up. Does that factor into it?

If defending someone else does it matter who that person is? For example defending a child or a woman from violence as opposed to some drunk getting in my face?

Usually the police would not become involved but if they did it could be complicated. The longest I was held in jail was for my response to a man at a C-store violently abusing a child. It was all on the store video. They wouldn’t release me until they knew if he was going to live and for the most part recover. But why would that make a difference on guilt or innocence?

The interviewing police all agreed I was within my rights and even acted correctly in defense of the child. Not one of them could answer the question of at what moment on the video did my action become legally questionable. Did it really matter that seemingly that whimpy child abuser had no chance against me even if I was blindfolded and had one arm tied behind my back? Was I really defending that child or dishing out just retribution? If a person pulls strength from personal rage does that rage then convert a legal action to criminal? Can you really build a criminal case around speculating what a person’s true motives were? Almost all their questions were about what I was thinking and how I felt about it. Only a fool would answer those questions.

I’ve had that discussion with police and the only answer they can give is the abstract answer of “reasonable.” This is an example of the huge discretion police have and that criminal law isn’t as absolute as people tend to think it is. They never had a problem with a violent response. Only with the extent of the violent response. Other times its not clear what happened to police because of conflicting stories people were telling. Ultimately the question always came down to whether the police officers actually involved wanted to arrest or prosecute or not. On occasion they decided to arrest but then always decided not to prosecute.

I wouldn’t be a good person on a jury for how juries now are suppose to work because my decision would be on what I thought is right and wrong and not on “the law.” The law is about government power and not me. “The law” never protected me or anyone I know so I would see no reason to protect the law.
 
Caine said:
....unless your from the south, and 'the law' is actually a euphemism for the police. Then I wouldn't recommend fighting 'the law'. Its a good way to get your ass beat.

On a serious note though, its not the police you should have issue with when dealing with a retarded law, its the legislators. You know, those people that are sometimes referred to as 'lawmakers'
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:rofl Point taken. I meant it as in the "rule of law", not the pi... er... cops.
 
Goshin said:
I don't think anyone with any smarts wants to admit to anything here more drastic than a little speeding. Not on an open Internet forum.
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ROFL Why not? Hell, I admitted to most of them on my govt security clearance application.
 
Tucker Case said:
Yeah, but I hate whiners who are willing to break laws and then bitch about the consequences of breaking those laws. If you believe in it enough to break the law, you should willingly accept the consequences.

I break the law because I felt it needed breaking, not because I think I can or should be able to avoid the consequences.
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LOL Yeah, I agree. Now, I DONT agree there should be consequences to my breaking a law I don't agree with. And, if I did agree with a law, then I would never have broken it to begin with. So, I don't think there should be consequences because I don't think whatever I did should be against the law.

However, I realize that it IS when I break said law and I realize there will be consequences. And when I have been caught, I've never once whined, or even lied about doing it. I've been pretty much, "Yeah... you got me. So what do we do now?"
 
Goshin said:
So THAT's what I've been doing wrong!

I was wondering why everybody looked at me funny and then ignored me, when I went into the firehouse and screamed "MOVIE!"

I had the silly thing in reverse... :mrgreen:
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You have to get-up early to beat Tucker. But an A for effort bro!;)
 
rivrrat said:
LOL Yeah, I agree. Now, I DONT agree there should be consequences to my breaking a law I don't agree with. And, if I did agree with a law, then I would never have broken it to begin with. So, I don't think there should be consequences because I don't think whatever I did should be against the law.

However, I realize that it IS when I break said law and I realize there will be consequences. And when I have been caught, I've never once whined, or even lied about doing it. I've been pretty much, "Yeah... you got me. So what do we do now?"
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Exactly! you said what I was thinking better tha nI did.
 
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