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Should Sanford resign?

Should Mark Sanford resign from his current position.

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 53.7%

  • No

    Votes: 26 48.1%
  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .
repeter said:
Answers obvious, hell no. He's being a partisan hack is all.
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No, I dont' think he's like that for the most part.

Caine, to answer your question, I don't care. I didn't mean to state that what he did was AWOL; rather, what he did was similar to AWOL. Such behavior is incredibly irresponsible. For me, I don't want a governor who goes missing, particularly intentionally, for something as menial as an affair. But that's me.
 
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Caine said:
Now you gotta prove that being AWOL (Absent without Leave) has anything to do with the office of the Governor.

Does the Governor earn vacation days?
At what rate?
Who signs his leave request form?
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Who should he notify if out of the state for a time? Lt governor by chance?
 
tlmorg02 said:
If it was a Democrat governor, would you have the same defense that they remain in office?
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Yep.

Its his personal life, stay the **** out.

Unless he was missing while he was actually needed for something important, I see no problem.
 
Redress said:
Who should he notify if out of the state for a time? Lt governor by chance?
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If the Governor isn't avaliable and cannot be reached, then whoever needs him should go to the LT Governor immediately, no big deal.
 
repeter said:
Answers obvious, hell no. He's being a partisan hack is all.
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No sir, thats you.

As aps has noted, im consistent with this issue.
 
aps said:
No, I dont' think he's like that for the most part.

Caine, to answer your question, I don't care. I didn't mean to state that what he did was AWOL; rather, what he did was similar to AWOL. Such behavior is incredibly irresponsible. For me, I don't want a governor who goes missing, particularly intentionally, for something as menial as an affair. But that's me.
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Thats fine, but you are a part of the problem why politics gets so nasty.

People's expectations of their elected leaders lifestyles are much too high.

Thats true for even non elected government employees too for that matter. Or should I say, people in positions of government authority.
 
Caine said:
If the Governor isn't avaliable and cannot be reached, then whoever needs him should go to the LT Governor immediately, no big deal.
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Caine said:
No sir, thats you.

As aps has noted, im consistent with this issue.
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The problem is they didn't know where the governor was, what his situation was, and if he was going to be back anytime soon. Stop and think about it, if Obama went to.... Chile without telling anyone, and came back saying he was having an affair, what would you do? Start yelling about incompetence, him being a bad president, and start calling for impeachement. Then liberals and conservatives start asking for him to resign, as I'm sure you would ask Obama to. And then on here, you start saying, "he had vacation time." thats partisanship. As aps noted, you are not "like that for the most part." How do you know she isn't talking about something else?
 
Caine said:
Thats fine, but you are a part of the problem why politics gets so nasty.

People's expectations of their elected leaders lifestyles are much too high.

Thats true for even non elected government employees too for that matter. Or should I say, people in positions of government authority.
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Ironic. You use her to defend you, and then attack her. Is that the future of the GOP? Maybe thats why there's no one leading it....

People's expectations of their leaders are for their leaders to be better then them, hence the uselessness of the "elitist" remark about Obama. Do you honestly want some hill billy from god knows where to lead any group of people? NO, you want someone who is profesional, has higher standards, and is smarter then the average person. While Sanford may or may not be smarter then the average person, he was unprofessional in his conduct of leaving the whole state standing still, and had low standards for cheating on his wife.
 
repeter said:
The problem is they didn't know where the governor was, what his situation was, and if he was going to be back anytime soon. Stop and think about it, if Obama went to.... Chile without telling anyone, and came back saying he was having an affair, what would you do? Start yelling about incompetence, him being a bad president, and start calling for impeachement. Then liberals and conservatives start asking for him to resign, as I'm sure you would ask Obama to. And then on here, you start saying, "he had vacation time." thats partisanship. As aps noted, you are not "like that for the most part." How do you know she isn't talking about something else?
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Can you show me where I stated that about Obama?

Don't put words in my mouth in order to fit me into the partisan hack that you wished I was.

If he didn't return after a while, then report him missing and promote the LT Governor to Governor, simple.

Had Obama did the same thing, it would depend on if someone needed the President for a particular reason, if he had some President work to do.

Since the President is usually much busier than a Governor (since the federal government decided to OWN states rights and all) this would most likely be the case that he would have something to do.
 
Caine said:
Can you show me where I stated that about Obama?

Don't put words in my mouth in order to fit me into the partisan hack that you wished I was.

If he didn't return after a while, then report him missing and promote the LT Governor to Governor, simple.

Had Obama did the same thing, it would depend on if someone needed the President for a particular reason, if he had some President work to do.

Since the President is usually much busier than a Governor (since the federal government decided to OWN states rights and all) this would most likely be the case that he would have something to do.
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1. It's common sense dude, get some.

2. I didn't put them in your mouth, they are just in the back there.

3. You know you would start saying Obama should resign/get impeached if he did what Sanford did.

4. Sure.

5. It is amazing how defensive you get. I musta hit the point head on.
 
repeter said:
Ironic. You use her to defend you, and then attack her. Is that the future of the GOP? Maybe thats why there's no one leading it....

People's expectations of their leaders are for their leaders to be better then them, hence the uselessness of the "elitist" remark about Obama. Do you honestly want some hill billy from god knows where to lead any group of people? NO, you want someone who is profesional, has higher standards, and is smarter then the average person. While Sanford may or may not be smarter then the average person, he was unprofessional in his conduct of leaving the whole state standing still, and had low standards for cheating on his wife.
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Where did I attack her. I informed her that her and people like her, who focus on what they might want to conjure up in their own minds of what could be possibly maybe happening in the governor's mind to effect political decisions for the state based upon decisions made in his personal life, and the expectation that our elected officials are supposed to act in this "holy" way is aside the point.

If the individual involved is making solid choices for the governed area and improving the lives of his constituents, then I give a rats ass less how "professional" he is when it comes to his personal life, or if his/her "standards" are higher than mine when it comes to his/her personal life. I could also give a rats ass less about how "intelligent" he is on a rateable scale, as long as the decisions being made and the policy that he/she is enacting or helping to enact is improving the lives of his/her constituents.

Its about what they do FOR us. Not what they do when they aren't working for us.

Two things matter when looking at a candidate overall. That is,
1. Are they going to make the decisions necessary to make our lives better while still being in line with the constitution
2. Do they have a record of following laws. (If not, they don't need to be making new ones).

Once I can get past those two aspects, the rest is policy preference, what *I* think would help us, and what *I* (as a voter) would like to see set in motion, or in some cases, NOT set in motion.
 
repeter said:
1. It's common sense dude, get some.
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Can you show me this quote?

2. I didn't put them in your mouth, they are just in the back there.
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Can you show me this quote?

3. You know you would start saying Obama should resign/get impeached if he did what Sanford did.
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So now your a 16 year old ****ing mind reader right?

4. Sure.

5. It is amazing how defensive you get. I musta hit the point head on.
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This is why 16 year olds should stick to skateboarding and vandalism.

You are too immature to be on this forum.
 
Caine said:
If the Governor isn't avaliable and cannot be reached, then whoever needs him should go to the LT Governor immediately, no big deal.
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And in the meantime, because the clocked ticked twelve, the executioner pushed the button and the convicts head came off.

Swell!

It was irresponsible for Sanford to make himself unavailable without informing the chain of command.
 
Caine said:
Where did I attack her. I informed her that her and people like her, who focus on what they might want to conjure up in their own minds of what could be possibly maybe happening in the governor's mind to effect political decisions for the state based upon decisions made in his personal life, and the expectation that our elected officials are supposed to act in this "holy" way is aside the point.
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Yes, thats called an attack genius.

The expectation is for our leaders to act better then the average person. Bush for example, completely failed in that, making as many mistakes during speeches as I do, and sometimes more while on the world stage.

Caine said:
If the individual involved is making solid choices for the governed area and improving the lives of his constituents, then I give a rats ass less how "professional" he is when it comes to his personal life, or if his/her "standards" are higher than mine when it comes to his/her personal life. I could also give a rats ass less about how "intelligent" he is on a rateable scale, as long as the decisions being made and the policy that he/she is enacting or helping to enact is improving the lives of his/her constituents.
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Professionalism breeds success. Higher morals leads to the right choice being chosen. Intelligence allows the person in question to think more rationally then the common person. What you described was essentially someone who is stupid, amateur, and morally low.....that means either Bush or Palin. Which one?

Caine said:
Its about what they do FOR us. Not what they do when they aren't working for us.

Two things matter when looking at a candidate overall. That is,
1. Are they going to make the decisions necessary to make our lives better while still being in line with the constitution
2. Do they have a record of following laws. (If not, they don't need to be making new ones).

Once I can get past those two aspects, the rest is policy preference, what *I* think would help us, and what *I* (as a voter) would like to see set in motion, or in some cases, NOT set in motion.
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*Sigh* If they aren't intelligent enough, they won't understand what will fix a problem. If they are morally low, they will use their power for their own personal gain. If they are unprofessional, they won't have any confidence in them whatsoever, and confidence of your constituents is extremely necessary.

Fail
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
And in the meantime, because the clocked ticked twelve, the executioner pushed the button and the convicts head came off.

Swell!

It was irresponsible for Sanford to make himself unavailable without informing the chain of command.
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Yes, I agree it was.

However, what did the SC people miss out on?

Nothing.

So lets just go back to SC business as usual.
 
repeter said:
Yes, thats called an attack genius.
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An attack is only viewed as an attack by the person being spoken to. I don't recall addressing you, so mind your own business child.

The expectation is for our leaders to act better then the average person.
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Why? As long as they do their job what does it matter what they do in their personal life?
Bush for example, completely failed in that, making as many mistakes during speeches as I do, and sometimes more while on the world stage.
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And Im partisan?




Professionalism breeds success. Higher morals leads to the right choice being chosen. Intelligence allows the person in question to think more rationally then the common person. What you described was essentially someone who is stupid, amateur, and morally low.....that means either Bush or Palin. Which one?
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And I am the one being partisan?




*Sigh* If they aren't intelligent enough, they won't understand what will fix a problem. If they are morally low, they will use their power for their own personal gain. If they are unprofessional, they won't have any confidence in them whatsoever, and confidence of your constituents is extremely necessary.
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Again, If they are doing all the right things at work then they are encompassing these goals. I don't need to rate someone on a "scale" comparable against someone else to determine whether they are intelligent enough to do their job. This is why I thought bringing up college grades of candidates who have been out of college for 30+ years is a ridiculous notion. Its all about what they DO as an elected official, not some generic scale of rating. I could care less what they do in their personal life.


Fail
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Yes, you failed at proving me to be a partisan hack, by showing that YOU in fact were the partisan hack all along, and didn't like that I wasn't conforming to your personal hackery.
 
Caine said:
Thats fine, but you are a part of the problem why politics gets so nasty.

People's expectations of their elected leaders lifestyles are much too high.

Thats true for even non elected government employees too for that matter. Or should I say, people in positions of government authority.
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You have a point about people's expectations. I wouldn't question his ability to govern the state if he had gone to Argentina and screwed this woman. But the manner in which he did this and his subsequent behavior has made him look like he isn't stable. What kind of leader of a state goes out of the country and does not inform someone where he is? What kind leader of a state cries when talking about his lover and says he is trying to fall back in love with his wife? It's not normal behavior, and I personally think that he can't be taken seriously. Again, had he been unfaithful to his wife, I wouldn't care. I didn't think Ensign needed to step down from his leadership role.
 
Caine said:
Yes, I agree it was.

However, what did the SC people miss out on?

Nothing.

So lets just go back to SC business as usual.
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Irrelevant.

Something could have happened that required the governor to declare a state of emergency. How about a tornado, for example?

No, it was completely irresonsible, the act of a high school kid working as a bag boy at the Winn-Dixie, not the governor.
 
Caine said:
An attack is only viewed as an attack by the person being spoken to. I don't recall addressing you, so mind your own business child.
Why? As long as they do their job what does it matter what they do in their personal life?
And Im partisan?
And I am the one being partisan?
Again, If they are doing all the right things at work then they are encompassing these goals. I don't need to rate someone on a "scale" comparable against someone else to determine whether they are intelligent enough to do their job. This is why I thought bringing up college grades of candidates who have been out of college for 30+ years is a ridiculous notion. Its all about what they DO as an elected official, not some generic scale of rating. I could care less what they do in their personal life.
Yes, you failed at proving me to be a partisan hack, by showing that YOU in fact were the partisan hack all along, and didn't like that I wasn't conforming to your personal hackery.
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1. Use what common sense you have. When people throw mud, everyone can see it flying through the air old man.

2. By that logic, we didn't need to impeach Clinton. He was doing his job. He lied to the jury just like Sanford lied to his entire faculty about going on a "hike"

3. Yes you are. I never said I wasn't. :doh

4. DUH

5. My point in intelligence and moral standards and professioanlism is that contributes towards a better term. Sure someone can get lucky and get by without any of them, but having the aforementioned helps a hell of a lot.

6. You make no sense whatsoever. Go back to college old man, you need it.
 
aps said:
You have a point about people's expectations. I wouldn't question his ability to govern the state if he had gone to Argentina and screwed this woman. But the manner in which he did this and his subsequent behavior has made him look like he isn't stable. What kind of leader of a state goes out of the country and does not inform someone where he is?
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I agree that this IS "the" issue (or should be) with this entire debacle. Personal opinions over whether this issue is large enough to force him to resign are going to vary. Mine is that he should not resign, I believe the good that many South Carolinians believe he has done for the state over the years can outweight this mistake that didn't actually cause any serious problems (but could have). I live about 15 minutes from the SC border, so we get alot of SC news. News about the governor has been mostly positive up until now. You being a person who lives a little farther away may or may not know much about any positive effects he has had on the government. That is my position, his positive effect and is it better than one screw up that didn't cause any harm.


What kind leader of a state cries when talking about his lover and says he is trying to fall back in love with his wife? It's not normal behavior, and I personally think that he can't be taken seriously.
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So political leaders are not allowed to have personal moments of weakness? This again is going back to the expectation that these people are "super-human".
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Irrelevant.

Something could have happened that required the governor to declare a state of emergency. How about a tornado, for example?

No, it was completely irresonsible, the act of a high school kid working as a bag boy at the Winn-Dixie, not the governor.
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The whole planet could have been invaded by aliens and killed us all too.

Why do we always tend to judge others on what "COULD" have happened until we (the individual judging) are the ones responsible?

Oh, and heaven forbid the LT Governor could be incapable of making such a simple decision in the Governor's absence. :roll:

They aren't kings, we can operate without them. What happens in a combat situation when the Squad Leader is killed? Wait, thats right, the senior team leader takes command. Why can't our government be the same way?


Oh, then please by all means, Tell me the definition of exactly what Governor is and is not allowed to act like.................
 
Caine said:
The whole planet could have been invaded by aliens and killed us all too.

Why do we always tend to judge others on what "COULD" have happened until we (the individual judging) are the ones responsible?

Oh, and heaven forbid the LT Governor could be incapable of making such a simple decision in the Governor's absence. :roll:

They aren't kings, we can operate without them. What happens in a combat situation when the Squad Leader is killed? Wait, thats right, the senior team leader takes command. Why can't our government be the same way?
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1. Thats a very stupid example to give.

2. It's not what could have happened, it's what did happen: he didn't just leave the state without telling anyone, he left the country, all the while leaving his entire state standing.

3. You need to add some common sense and logic to your arguement. Look beyond the words old man.

4. We can't do anything substantial without the appointed official in the office. What he said goes.

So, you want us to become a military dictatorship? Now you're really talking nonsense dude!
 
repeter said:
1. Use what common sense you have. When people throw mud, everyone can see it flying through the air old man.

2. By that logic, we didn't need to impeach Clinton. He was doing his job. He lied to the jury just like Sanford lied to his entire faculty about going on a "hike"
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Im curious as to why we were even asking him about his personal life on the stand in the first place. Granted he should not have lied, but since the question was irrelevant I don't really hold it against him all that much. He was doing a good job so I hear.



3. Yes you are. I never said I wasn't. :doh
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Care to show me a quote that makes me partisan?


4. DUH
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What in the hell is this in response to?


5. My point in intelligence and moral standards and professioanlism is that contributes towards a better term. Sure someone can get lucky and get by without any of them, but having the aforementioned helps a hell of a lot.
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If by "moral standards" you are speaking of "ethics" when it comes to work, then I agree. Otherwise, I could care less if a married governor has sex with 4 horny broads he takes home from the strip club at the same time, gets drunk, and then goes out to get several tatoos. As long as he is doing his job using the intelligence necessary for the job, and the professionalism required.

6. You make no sense whatsoever. Go back to college old man, you need it.
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What exactly is this in response to again?
 
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