New sanctions on N.Korea

repeter said:

Not if we win.

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North Korea hasn't done anything so horrible to us that it justifies killing millions of innocent people in a nuclear holocaust. North Korea is just an ass pimple right now.

When North Korea starts invading South Korean cities, then war will be justified. But mere provocations are not a sufficient reason to start a war...especially when it's nuclear and especially when we don't have the resources to effectively wage yet another war.

Kandahar said:

North Korea hasn't done anything so horrible to us that it justifies killing millions of innocent people in a nuclear holocaust. North Korea is just an ass pimple right now.

When North Korea starts invading South Korean cities, then war will be justified. But mere provocations are not a sufficient reason to start a war...especially when it's nuclear and especially when we don't have the resources to effectively wage yet another war.

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Okay, the use of Nuclear Weapons is above all a Political question. If we take out their political leaders, like Kim, with a covert B-2 strike out of now where, they are in a fix. Those same B-2's can also suppress the Air Defenses, and F-22's can decimate the North Korean excuse for an Air Force. If we have any Wild Weasel's in the area, they can speed up the Defense Suppresion, and allow the B-2's to attack other high-priority targets. B-52H's can then sweep in, take out any launch sites still left, tank farms, and the mass of artillery on the hills overlooking Seoul. We have the intelligence, our KH Series Sat's can see everything on the ground, and can hear in on some of their voice chatter. If we decide to attack, say in a week, they won't be ready. If we decide to attack in a month or 2...there is a high chance they might find out.

For a nice reference to Strategic Surprise, and how to, read Red Storm Rising. The war starts page 173, entitled "The Frisbees of Dreamland." Somewhere before that, there is a page where the Soviet Generals are talking about Strategic Surprise, that's the page you want.

And if we wait until their shells are falling on South Korean cities, the war becomes one of attrition, which they will win. 1.2 million versus a few hundred thousand.

Kandahar said:

North Korea hasn't done anything so horrible to us that it justifies killing millions of innocent people in a nuclear holocaust. North Korea is just an ass pimple right now.

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and I WANT to POP IT like a PIMPLY VIRGIN!!!11 ****!

repeter said:

And the Human population is starting to become too big, so draw what you want from that.

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:rofl

Thousands of years from now, this is what they will say us: Human beings were originally so primitive, they required massive world wars to keep their populations under control.

repeter said:

Okay, the use of Nuclear Weapons is above all a Political question. If we take out their political leaders, like Kim, with a covert B-2 strike out of now where, they are in a fix.

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And what makes you think that the US government knows where Kim is at any given time, who else we might need to target, and where those other people are? North Korea is the least transparent society on the planet. It has almost no contact with the outside world.

repeter said:

Those same B-2's can also suppress the Air Defenses, and F-22's can decimate the North Korean excuse for an Air Force. If we have any Wild Weasel's in the area, they can speed up the Defense Suppresion, and allow the B-2's to attack other high-priority targets. B-52H's can then sweep in, take out any launch sites still left, tank farms, and the mass of artillery on the hills overlooking Seoul. We have the intelligence, our KH Series Sat's can see everything on the ground, and can hear in on some of their voice chatter. If we decide to attack, say in a week, they won't be ready. If we decide to attack in a month or 2...there is a high chance they might find out.

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I'm sorry, but it is utterly impossible to successfully plan a major war in less than a week.

repeter said:

For a nice reference to Strategic Surprise, and how to, read Red Storm Rising. The war starts page 173, entitled "The Frisbees of Dreamland." Somewhere before that, there is a page where the Soviet Generals are talking about Strategic Surprise, that's the page you want.

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That is a work of fiction. In the real world, you cannot successfully plan a major war in less than a week.

repeter said:

And if we wait until their shells are falling on South Korean cities, the war becomes one of attrition, which they will win. 1.2 million versus a few hundred thousand.

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This implies that they will inevitably start shelling South Korean cities unless we kill millions of people in a nuclear holocaust. That seems far from certain.

Kandahar said:

And what makes you think that the US government knows where Kim is at any given time, who else we might need to target, and where those other people are? North Korea is the least transparent society on the planet. It has almost no contact with the outside world.



I'm sorry, but it is utterly impossible to successfully plan a major war in less than a week.



That is a work of fiction. In the real world, you cannot successfully plan a major war in less than a week.



This implies that they will inevitably start shelling South Korean cities unless we kill millions of people in a nuclear holocaust. That seems far from certain.

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Just to say, but I assume that our military already has a plan to invade North Korea, even if they aren't telling us about that.

I know we already have a plan to invade Iran, but they at least told us about that.

Instead, order an attack on N.Korea

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We should have done what we needed to do under Truman. All he needed to do was listen to his General and Nuke the Chinese back a few hundred years. No N Korea, and no Chinese Dragon trying to replace us on the world stage.

nerv14 said:

Just to say, but I assume that our military already has a plan to invade North Korea, even if they aren't telling us about that.

I know we already have a plan to invade Iran, but they at least told us about that.

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Odds are that all the critical/important targets are programmed into several computers...
How many missles does NK have? Those would be the weapons that need to be taken out first, right after the airburst EMP....
As for finding dear leader, where is his wine cellar and internet connection?
Surely he spends a lot of time drinking and watching porn....

OxymoronP said:

We should have done what we needed to do under Truman. All he needed to do was listen to his General and Nuke the Chinese back a few hundred years. No N Korea, and no Chinese Dragon trying to replace us on the world stage.

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War with CHINA? That would be an insane idea. They have enough soldiers, even back then to make us lose any direct fight with China.

Not to mention that diplomatically, that could have caused us to lose the Cold War. Luckily for us, China and the USSR weren't very close, Nixon was smart to establish real relations with them. If they had teamed up with the USSR then we would have been in a big trouble.

When it comes to nations confronting us during the Cold War, don't group all Communist nations on the same level.

War with CHINA? That would be an insane idea. They have enough soldiers, even back then to make us lose any direct fight with China.

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in the fifties we had Nucs they didnt, we could have basically reinstalled the Taiwanese goverment if we had the right President in charge.

Not to mention that diplomatically, that could have caused us to lose the Cold War.

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Elaborate.

Luckily for us, China and the USSR weren't very close, Nixon was smart to establish real relations with them. If they had teamed up with the USSR then we would have been in a big trouble.

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If we did the job in the fifties, China would have been a Democratic Nation on our side.

When it comes to nations confronting us during the Cold War, don't group all Communist nations on the same level.

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They arent the same level, China was weak while the USSR was strong.

OxymoronP said:

in the fifties we had Nucs they didnt, we could have basically reinstalled the Taiwanese goverment if we had the right President in charge.



Elaborate.



If we did the job in the fifties, China would have been a Democratic Nation on our side.




They arent the same level, China was weak while the USSR was strong.

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If we could actually invade China and reinstate the Nationalists then it would work out in the long run of the Cold War.

But after the Japanese's trouble, the scale of the operation, and Truman's low aproval rating (JUST from the Korean War) I don't think we would have pulled it off. and it wouldn't have been worth the risk of getting China more hostile towards us.


In the 50s there isn't much China could of done to harm us outside of that immediet region, but it could of gotten much more difficult if China teamed up with the USSR more afterwards when China gained some more strength.


I suppose I am just contemplating, but from what I have heard, one of the main reason that we won the Cold War was the lack of cooperation between the USSR and China.

nerv14 said:

Just to say, but I assume that our military already has a plan to invade North Korea, even if they aren't telling us about that.

I know we already have a plan to invade Iran, but they at least told us about that.

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But there is a big difference between having a contingency plan for an emergency, and just throwing together the plans for a major war of choice in a matter of one week.

Kandahar said:

But there is a big difference between having a contingency plan for an emergency, and just throwing together the plans for a major war of choice in a matter of one week.

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Which would work. No country in the world can possibly get ready for war in one week, except the war started, who has that entire week to prepare. Everyone else just feels the pain. And if we did a covert first strike into their country, very fast, victory would be assured. We have to hit first, hard, and fast. Which we can do.