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Bush's Presidency

How do You rate George W. Bush's Presidency?

  • He's The Best President We've Ever Had

    Votes: 3 3.7%

  • He Was One Of The Best

    Votes: 6 7.3%

  • He Was Pretty Good

    Votes: 8 9.8%

  • He's Alright

    Votes: 6 7.3%

  • He Was Kind Of Bad

    Votes: 13 15.9%

  • He Was One Of The Worst

    Votes: 35 42.7%

  • He Was The Worst

    Votes: 11 13.4%
  • Total voters
    82
celticlord said:
What proof do you have that when Clinton said that he wasn't talking about Hillary?
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You mean besides the five second liar's pause while he tries to remember which woman he's not supposed to be having sex with before he names the Lewinski broad?
 
Grateful Heart said:
And yet you offered not a shred of 'proof' about anything in your OP. Unless you consider listing a string of events such as Katrina and 9/11 'proof' that Bush was a miserable president.

We could just as easily 'prove' that Clinton was a miserable president by offering up a similar list... Bin Laden, the 1993 WTC bombing, Monica Lewinsky, perjury, impeachment, Oklahoma City, the Waco Massacre, Elian Gonzalez, the Rwanda massacre, Monica Lewinsky, "I did not have sex with that woman!", Mogadishu, the O.J. verdict, the blue dress...

:doh
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Yeah, committing felony perjury and getting impeached for it is a pretty good sign that a president sucked royalty....er royally.

Just why did The Messiah bow to the Muslim King again?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You mean besides the five second liar's pause while he tries to remember which woman he's not supposed to be having sex with before he names the Lewinski broad?
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That was the part that always impressed me.

If a guy actually has to stop to think about which woman he's not supposed to be having sex with....boy's got something goin' on!:2razz:
 
Grateful Heart said:
And yet you offered not a shred of 'proof' about anything in your OP. Unless you consider listing a string of events such as Katrina and 9/11 'proof' that Bush was a miserable president.

We could just as easily 'prove' that Clinton was a miserable president by offering up a similar list... Bin Laden, the 1993 WTC bombing, Monica Lewinsky, perjury, impeachment, Oklahoma City, the Waco Massacre, Elian Gonzalez, the Rwanda massacre, Monica Lewinsky, "I did not have sex with that woman!", Mogadishu, the O.J. verdict, the blue dress...

:doh
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I think Bush's biggest faults was with the Iraq War and his tax cuts along with his increased spending.

Bill Clinton may have done some military engagements in Europe, but he didn't take America out of the Cold War into any new long involvements that we shouldn't have been in.

But of course, Bush's biggest fault was his increased medicare funding along with his tax cuts that drastically increased the defecit (during a healthy economy) compared with Clinton's great fiscal policy.

Of course, I am against Bush on his increased gun control and religious policies, but those are very insignificant compared with his fiscal mess. Obama may do worse, (with the economy factored in) but we will see.
 
Grateful Heart said:
the 1993 WTC bombing, Monica Lewinsky, perjury, impeachment, Oklahoma City, the Waco Massacre, Elian Gonzalez, the Rwanda massacre, :doh
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At least during his reign the WTC's didn't collapse. Impeachement? Which didn't wasn't passed? Rwanda? Oh, come on, Bush has worse in Darfur.
 
repeter said:
At least during his reign the WTC's didn't collapse.
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True.

But during Bush's reign Pearl Harbor wasn't bombed devastating our Pacific naval fleet. So by that measure FDR was a far more miserable president, militarily, than Bush.

:2wave:
 
Jerry said:
Misunderestimated me, you have :2wave:
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That's an admitted possibility.

One way to clear this up:

How do you pronounce the word NUCLEAR?

The way it's spelled (like any normal person with 1/2 a brain) ....or NUKULAR?
 
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Devil505 said:
That's an admitted possibility.

One way to clear this up:

How do you pronounce the word NUCLEAR?

The way it's spelled (like any normal person with 1/2 a brain) ....or NUKULAR?
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I have to agree.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7spOEfRN-0&feature=related]YouTube - Reagan-Carter debate: Amy's opinion[/ame]

:cool:
 
Grateful Heart said:
True.

But during Bush's reign Pearl Harbor wasn't bombed devastating our Pacific naval fleet. So by that measure FDR was a far more miserable president, militarily, than Bush.

:2wave:
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And at the sametime, Bush didn't lead a highly victorious war, against a defined enemy: the Facists. And had he not died, he would have seen their epic defeat. And economically, FDR stopped the greatest economic depression we've ever seen in America, whereas Bush created an average economic decline.
 
repeter said:
And at the sametime, Bush didn't lead a highly victorious war, against a defined enemy: the Facists. And had he not died, he would have seen their epic defeat. And economically, FDR stopped the greatest economic depression we've ever seen in America, whereas Bush created an average economic decline.
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Except, it wasn't FDR as much as WWII that stopped the Great Depression. In fact, many historians argue that FDR's economic policies lengthened the Depression. FDR also set the standard for massive government intervention, the benefits of which are highly debatable.
 
As far as Bush's presidency in historical reference, I think it is too early to say for sure. I suspect he will be remembered as one of the worst, but then again, I thought that about his father, and have seriously had to rethink that opinion. Based on what I have seen so far, I think he is the worst president I have seen in my lifetime, but I don't have the historical knowledge to compare him to some of the presidents from history.
 
Redress said:
As far as Bush's presidency in historical reference, I think it is too early to say for sure. I suspect he will be remembered as one of the worst, but then again, I thought that about his father, and have seriously had to rethink that opinion. Based on what I have seen so far, I think he is the worst president I have seen in my lifetime, but I don't have the historical knowledge to compare him to some of the presidents from history.
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Out of curiosity, did you live through Carter?
 
Dav said:
Out of curiosity, did you live through Carter?
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Yes, as a teenager. For me, that was not that bad a time, though in looking back, I understand why others found it so.
 
wbreese91 said:
Except, it wasn't FDR as much as WWII that stopped the Great Depression. In fact, many historians argue that FDR's economic policies lengthened the Depression. FDR also set the standard for massive government intervention, the benefits of which are highly debatable.
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I would actually put the blame on Hoover for increasing taxes to 90% when the depression started in his attempt to ballance the budget.


FDR improved the situation, if only slightly, by getting a large federal defecit to put some more money into the economy after Hoover increased taxes to such a punitive level. Thank god Reagan reduced taxes to a sane level.

And if you feel that WWII got us out of the Depression, then we must praise FDR for getting us ready into that war. His welfare spending is also simillar to the high amounts of spending that our country spent on WWII. So it is difficult to critisize one and not the other.


Also, if we look at what programs FDR started that still exist today, those are mostly the suscesful programs. Things like SS, insurance transparency, Glass-steigal (which after was repealed set us up for this crisis) and insurance on bank deposits. Any faulty program that was created after him is not his fault.

The problems we have today with large government mostly relate to other programs such as wasteful welfare or an inneficent medicare system. All that which FDR didn't invent.
 
George Bush reminds me of this quote from "The Great Gatsby"


"They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made."
 
Redress said:
Yes, as a teenager. For me, that was not that bad a time, though in looking back, I understand why others found it so.
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Then you would have been twenty-something during the Reagan era. Did you find Reagan a poor president, a mediocre president, a good president, or a great president? Compared, say, to others you remember.

:)
 
Grateful Heart said:
Then you would have been twenty-something during the Reagan era. Did you find Reagan a poor president, a mediocre president, a good president, or a great president? Compared, say, to others you remember.

:)
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Mediocre to good.
 
Grateful Heart said:
How about Clinton?
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Tops the list. Work was plentiful, times where good. Weak on foreign policy, and some of his decisions created later problems, but overall, better than the rest.
 
Redress said:
Tops the list. Work was plentiful, times where good. Weak on foreign policy, and some of his decisions created later problems, but overall, better than the rest.
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Ah, so in your world view, a convicted perjurer and proven rapist, who sold national security secrets to the Chinese for campaign cash, not to mention a huge list of other corrupt acts making him the most corrupt president in history, who squandered oppportunity presented by the post-Cold War boom to cut government expenditures, (which boom his presidency had nothing to do with), and all the other screw-up of the Clinton presidency, puts him at the "top of the list".

Good to know this, too.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Ah, so in your world view, a convicted perjurer and proven rapist, who sold national security secrets to the Chinese for campaign cash, not to mention a huge list of other corrupt acts making him the most corrupt president in history, who squandered oppportunity presented by the post-Cold War boom to cut government expenditures, (which boom his presidency had nothing to do with), and all the other screw-up of the Clinton presidency, puts him at the "top of the list".

Good to know this, too.
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Are you talking about Clinton himself? Sounds like it, from the rapist thing, but not sure... :)
 
I've no use for W over what transpired with regard to Iraq.
 
nerv14 said:
I would actually put the blame on Hoover for increasing taxes to 90% when the depression started in his attempt to ballance the budget.


FDR improved the situation, if only slightly, by getting a large federal defecit to put some more money into the economy after Hoover increased taxes to such a punitive level. Thank god Reagan reduced taxes to a sane level.

And if you feel that WWII got us out of the Depression, then we must praise FDR for getting us ready into that war. His welfare spending is also simillar to the high amounts of spending that our country spent on WWII. So it is difficult to critisize one and not the other.


Also, if we look at what programs FDR started that still exist today, those are mostly the suscesful programs. Things like SS, insurance transparency, Glass-steigal (which after was repealed set us up for this crisis) and insurance on bank deposits. Any faulty program that was created after him is not his fault.

The problems we have today with large government mostly relate to other programs such as wasteful welfare or an inneficent medicare system. All that which FDR didn't invent.
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I mostly would agree with this. I think FDR was a great president. I disagree with some of his more extreme and uneffective measures like the CCC, not the ones that lasted. Most of the problems in the lasting organizations result from subsequent modification of those programs. However, I would attribute more success to wartime industry in taking us out of the depression than FDR's welfare spending (this was my previous point). I grant that FDR managed our war effort marvelously and that some of his programs kept us from getting deeper into depression until we got into WWII. I just disagree with some of his more radical moves as I said before, such as attempting to court pack.
 
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