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Limits to Private Arsenals

Which should be legal for average citizens to own and use?


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To answer your question Yes to all of them.

Parts for all former USSR based aircraft are very easy to come by hell the Mig21 is the longest produce Fighter aircraft every right now you can go to Romania and get brand new wings for $200,000.

As for working on them they aren't that hard to work on even Western Fighter are quite easy and don't forget there are allot of former Mechs out there.

As for Weapon System's the only one's that I know that are still Classified are the F-22 most Weapon System are left over from mid 60s tech that have been updated. Every scene the inside of the latest B-52 Glass Cockpit upgrade nothing has change since they came out of Boeing.

Yeah, I was an avionics tech. So I know for a fact that there are classified materials within our aircraft. Now, the weapons we use might not be classified, but there is a completely different chain in the supply system, as well as extra layers of tracking that go into the process of removing and replacing of a sensitive part. Nobody is getting electronic countermeausures equipment.
 
OK now I know you're bull****ting because about the only commodity you can get from Romania is a cheap baby from one of their orphanages. Because orphans are about the only thing Romania produces. That's because they have to feed Dracula somehow.

Really would you like me to name you the three Aircraft factorys for you and what each one does.

It is a well know fact that the Romania's build the best of the Mig21 serious.
 
Yeah, I was an avionics tech. So I know for a fact that there are classified materials within our aircraft. Now, the weapons we use might not be classified, but there is a completely different chain in the supply system, as well as extra layers of tracking that go into the process of removing and replacing of a sensitive part. Nobody is getting electronic countermeausures equipment.

It depends on what era of ECM you are talking about the Collins foundation has the ECM in it mind you it is from 1963 and the three mig25s that the guys in Reno have in have ECM from the mid 70s. But your correct you will not get any ECM stuff from 1979-Present on US build Aircraft
 
Yeah, I was an avionics tech. So I know for a fact that there are classified materials within our aircraft. Now, the weapons we use might not be classified, but there is a completely different chain in the supply system, as well as extra layers of tracking that go into the process of removing and replacing of a sensitive part. Nobody is getting electronic countermeausures equipment.

The ALR in my barn is illegal?

I don't think Scorpian understands how quickly military avionics goes bad, and how impossible it would be to keep up with keeping such a jet in parts would be.

Note, before the secret service breaks down my door: The first sentence was a joke, and a lame one at that.
 
The ALR in my barn is illegal?

I don't think Scorpian understands how quickly military avionics goes bad, and how impossible it would be to keep up with keeping such a jet in parts would be.

Note, before the secret service breaks down my door: The first sentence was a joke, and a lame one at that.

Actually Redress I do know how quickly Military Avionics go South. As for parts as I said you can get pretty much anything for Soviet block Airframe's and hell most of the Western Build stuff say up to 1978.

I know a guy who is rebuilding an A-6B and yes he has all of the Avionics including the Norden AN/APQ-148,AN/ASN-92 inertial navigation system and CAINS (Carrier Aircraft Intertial Navigation System) he is rebuilding it to a Iron Hand Bird.
 
Actually Redress I do know how quickly Military Avionics go South. As for parts as I said you can get pretty much anything for Soviet block Airframe's and hell most of the Western Build stuff say up to 1978.

I know a guy who is rebuilding an A-6B and yes he has all of the Avionics including the Norden AN/APQ-148,AN/ASN-92 inertial navigation system and CAINS (Carrier Aircraft Intertial Navigation System) he is rebuilding it to a Iron Hand Bird.

APQ is radar? If so, I find the claim highly unlikely.
 
The ALR in my barn is illegal?

I don't think Scorpian understands how quickly military avionics goes bad, and how impossible it would be to keep up with keeping such a jet in parts would be.

Note, before the secret service breaks down my door: The first sentence was a joke, and a lame one at that.

And the avionics is the 'spensive stuff too. Even if its unclassified, a radar antenna is not cheap to replace or repair. Considering the length of time a part can spend in NRFI status, without a robust supply chain, you've effectively downgraded the capability of the aircraft with the loss of one, non-classified aircraft part. Then there are the systems software upgrades. Where will you get those from? Somebody who buys a vintage military aircraft, is going to be so far behind the curve of what active military aircraft are capable of, there's nothing to worry about.
 
And the avionics is the 'spensive stuff too. Even if its unclassified, a radar antenna is not cheap to replace or repair. Considering the length of time a part can spend in NRFI status, without a robust supply chain, you've effectively downgraded the capability of the aircraft with the loss of one, non-classified aircraft part. Then there are the systems software upgrades. Where will you get those from? Somebody who buys a vintage military aircraft, is going to be so far behind the curve of what active military aircraft are capable of, there's nothing to worry about.

Without a handy AIMD, you are not going to keep yourself in avionics, period.

I so miss using military jargon...
 
Without a handy AIMD, you are not going to keep yourself in avionics, period.

I so miss using military jargon...

What you don't think their are Civilian AIMD out their hell Honeywell you can get all of your ex-military stuf rerubished. I take it neither of you have been to out to AMRAC when they have the big sales, Most Avionic stuff you canget for a song and a dance.
 
And the avionics is the 'spensive stuff too. Even if its unclassified, a radar antenna is not cheap to replace or repair. Considering the length of time a part can spend in NRFI status, without a robust supply chain, you've effectively downgraded the capability of the aircraft with the loss of one, non-classified aircraft part. Then there are the systems software upgrades. Where will you get those from? Somebody who buys a vintage military aircraft, is going to be so far behind the curve of what active military aircraft are capable of, there's nothing to worry about.

Software is out there and can be purchase rather easily, as for avionics expensive yes and no depending on what your looking for. Soviet stuff rather cheap Western Stuff once again depends on what your looking for.
 
Software is out there and can be purchase rather easily, as for avionics expensive yes and no depending on what your looking for. Soviet stuff rather cheap Western Stuff once again depends on what your looking for.

I think you will need to prove this before I would even consider believing it.
 
I think you will need to prove this before I would even consider believing it.

What would you like don't forget most if not all US builded Military Jets prior to 1976 had very limited computer software. The first true computer controlled aircraft in the US Military was the F-16 and F-15. Yes the F-14s and later version of the A-6 had some computer stuff but it wasn't till the F-16,F-15,F-18 came along that aircraft started having more computer systems in them.

As for Soviet stuff it wasn't till the later version of the Mig25,Mig21,Su23.

PS: this is why we need a Military Section :lol:
 
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Really would you like me to name you the three Aircraft factorys for you and what each one does.

It is a well know fact that the Romania's build the best of the Mig21 serious.

Sure. It's not going to change the fact that Romania is Europe's only third world country.
 
Sure. It's not going to change the fact that Romania is Europe's only third world country.

Really and when was the last time you've been to Romania and you do understand that Sibiu was chosen to be European Capital of Culture in 2007.

Also Romania is consider an upper-middle income country and is one of the few post Soviet Counties to not have any major uprising andis a very nice place to visit.
 
I really don't see the point to weapons like tanks, planes, nukes and biological weapons being owned by private citizens.

And this goes beyond what the second amendment says, I am talking about what makes sense, and not simply what our Constitution says. Those are two different issues.


The point of the second amendment is to allow people to have weapons to defend themselves (from criminals or the government) and for hunting. You don't need nukes for any of that unless you want to destroy the country that you are rebelling from.

And if there is a strong enough force to rebell with, then it wouldn't depend on having anti-tank missles or not.
 
I want a harrier. I have always wondered why Harriers did not have more of a FOD problem though.

They have a special cover hatch build into the nozzel section when the USMC first got the A models and were having all sort of problems with them killing quite a few pilots one of the reason was FOD it BAE/RR had to go back and redesign the engine intacts.

If you want a Harrier their is a MarkII for sale it's sitting in Reno you would need to have the engine's rebuild.
 
I really don't see the point to weapons like tanks, planes, nukes and biological weapons being owned by private citizens.

Of this list Nukes and Bio you can't get. As for Tanks,and Plane's have you every been to an Airshow or a Parade that has Military Vehicle in them. We who do this as a hobby are collectors. I own two WWII trainers to me I see it as my duty to educate the next generation of are collective past.
 
Speaking of BAE, their avionics system guys are seriously on a different level of thinking. I troubleshot some serious ATARS datalinking issues out at Yuma with them. They were all worried about oscilation frequencies and all this other garbage, and I am telling them its probably just a wire somewhere. Turns out I was right, because somebody years ago had signed off on the installation of a wiring bundle, and never actually installed it. Once we got the bundle in, miracle of miracles, it worked.
 
Of this list Nukes and Bio you can't get. As for Tanks,and Plane's have you every been to an Airshow or a Parade that has Military Vehicle in them. We who do this as a hobby are collectors. I own two WWII trainers to me I see it as my duty to educate the next generation of are collective past.

There are alot of people that own old military craft. They fly them into the EAA show in Oshkosh/Fon du Lac, WI every year. But they don't have any bombs with them ;)
 
Speaking of BAE, their avionics system guys are seriously on a different level of thinking. I troubleshot some serious ATARS datalinking issues out at Yuma with them. They were all worried about oscilation frequencies and all this other garbage, and I am telling them its probably just a wire somewhere. Turns out I was right, because somebody years ago had signed off on the installation of a wiring bundle, and never actually installed it. Once we got the bundle in, miracle of miracles, it worked.

Ha Ha that is rich yea I've heard they can be real big arse.


Hey Crippler anymore thoughts about having a Military Section most of this thread has been about the Military.
 
Ha Ha that is rich yea I've heard they can be real big arse.


Hey Crippler anymore thoughts about having a Military Section most of this thread has been about the Military.

I'll throw it out to vauge. See what he says.
 
I'll throw it out to vauge. See what he says.

Thanks so far it's been a fun discussion, if I can find the link on the Harrier I'll post it. There guy in either Maryland or Virgina who has the only operating private Harrier. Let me do a quick search and if I can fidn the link I'll post it here.

Here you go Crippler,

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P79cKX3EFgo&feature=related[/ame]
 
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I think people should be able to have any weapon that a "normal soldier" would have and by that I just mean basically all types of guns, and nothing more.

So thats no nuclear weapons, anti-tank missles or deadly bioweapons. Just normal firearms.

Apparently you have never been a infantry unit, I have and soldiers especially in a mechanized infantry units do use anti-tank weapons such AT4 and the FGM-148 Javelin. Before those weapons there was the LAW, Bazooka, dragoon and various other anti-tank weapons.
 
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