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Euthanasia: Do you support it or against it?

Euthanasis


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Of course a powerful story. So many things with it to be considered. I made the point to say there is more than pain to be considered. Pain is absolutely a reason to consider euthanasia. Becoming invalid in some such way is to be considered as well.

If I made that decision I would not expect my medical proxy to have to make such decision if I were aware. That would have been my call. If they were ready I would have asked what the result would the pain subside. If they could not answer the question I would have been dead now. If the pain were momentary I would have dealt with that..

If were not capable of saying yes or no. My proxy would have done what they thought best in the situation. She would have put me down..

There has to be a legal framework of course, it can't exist without one. I put I am not certain.
 
There has to be a legal framework of course, it can't exist without one. I put I am not certain.

Yes the legal frame work. There needs to be some standard of who could be put down. What would be the criteria for the this to be done? Is it pain is it being terminal is a combination of both?
 
Yes the legal frame work. There needs to be some standard of who could be put down. What would be the criteria for the this to be done? Is it pain is it being terminal is a combination of both?

Well, it can't be pain alone. It has to be that one is certainly going to die.
 
Well, it can't be pain alone. It has to be that one is certainly going to die.
Aren't we all certainly going to die?
 
I think the term terminal was left out.
Not by me. I quoted your complete statement.

However, even if "terminal" were added....the question still stands.

Life is a terminal condition with a 100% mortality rate. Today, tomorrow, or some day after next year, the Grim Reaper gets us all. That is certain.

If you're going to justify ending life as a virtuous act, you need more detailed reasoning than this.
 
I already have a living will that says orders doctors to pull the plug if I'm ever rendered irreparably brain dead or will not recover from my injury/illness and leave the hospital. So does my wife. I've also made it clear that when I kick the bucket, I don't want any funeral, nothing that costs anyone anything, give my body to science, throw it in a ditch, whatever, I'm dead, what do I care?

Be careful with this..There are those in our nation who will try to impose their will on others......this is one of many national problems..
My mom thought it to be a good idea to donate her body to "science", I may do the same.. But first one must know for sure that "science" is a 100% willing partner...as it turned out, her body was not accepted(she died from a virus, pneumonia).
At the last minute, a funeral home got involved...and do they ever "sock it to them"..
$50 for a $0.50 box for her cremated remains, plus the high cost of cremation, plus this, plus that.
Dieing is an expensive proprosition....until Walmart gets interested..
 
Not by me. I quoted your complete statement.

However, even if "terminal" were added....the question still stands.

Life is a terminal condition with a 100% mortality rate. Today, tomorrow, or some day after next year, the Grim Reaper gets us all. That is certain.

If you're going to justify ending life as a virtuous act, you need more detailed reasoning than this.

I am not asking you to end yours. In the event that I can no longer function as i think important and possibly find myself in a lot of pain. I will simple end it. It seems there is a certain stage where I would no longer want to continue. You may not feel that way. That decision even it Euthanasia were legal would still be firmly up to you.
 
Assisted euthanasia should be legal but it should have stringent oversight. However, "euthanizing" a comatose or brain-dead person without their consent should be illegal; that's murder.

Yes... The brain dead definition is still to fuzzy...and there are cases where no loved ones exist....but if one is definitely brain dead for a set period of time, then the euthanasia is NOT murder....
Their "consent" is simply not always possible...but we must do the best thing....
Strange, how concerned we are with the life of those near death; but its "legal" to kill those who life is just begining...Very strange...
 
Be careful with this..There are those in our nation who will try to impose their will on others......this is one of many national problems..
My mom thought it to be a good idea to donate her body to "science", I may do the same.. But first one must know for sure that "science" is a 100% willing partner...as it turned out, her body was not accepted(she died from a virus, pneumonia).
At the last minute, a funeral home got involved...and do they ever "sock it to them"..
$50 for a $0.50 box for her cremated remains, plus the high cost of cremation, plus this, plus that.
Dieing is an expensive proprosition....until Walmart gets interested..

Nope, nobody is spending anything on my death, no funeral, no burial, just dispose of the body. I don't care if you dump it in the ocean for the fish to eat, chop it up for dog food, it's entirely irrelevant. I'm dead, what do I care?
 
Nope, nobody is spending anything on my death, no funeral, no burial, just dispose of the body. I don't care if you dump it in the ocean for the fish to eat, chop it up for dog food, it's entirely irrelevant. I'm dead, what do I care?

I am with you on this one. I have no desire for anyone to spend a dime on getting rid of the body. It doesn't seem like i will be using it in the near future. If it is not functioning in life and is costing money get rid of me. Turn the thing off.
 
Not likely. I have a better chance of flapping my arms and flying to the moon.
You don't know many "dead" people do you? Maybe that's the problem.


I do admire the fervency of your faith though, believing that somthing is impossible requires willpower.
 
-- the capacity of individuals to make that choice regarding the lives of others is nonexistent --


Not quite, doctors do withhold necessary medical care if they consider it not in the best interests of the patient to have pain or suffering prolonged. There was a case in the UK recently where doctors wished to deny treatment to a very young baby - it went through court and the baby suffered on for a year and the case went against the parents.

The parents couldn't afford the necessary treatment to keep the baby alive - they wanted the NHS to pay but the NHS has limited resource and has to decide how to spend that resource to maximum effect.

The main obstical I see with any such regulation is the inherant dificulty in assessing pain --

I would agree however as stated above, I'm certain many doctors already have discretion in whether they withhold treatment or apply enough to kill without pain.

I'd rather take that kind of pressure off doctors - it becomes to easy to cover your tracks and we had one doctor here (Harold Shipman) who killed unknown elderly patients.

What we do have in Europe is some British (and other) patients travel to Switzerland for assisted suicide. Unfortunately those who accompany the patients can be held accountable (Diane Pretty case) so she stayed and eventually drowned in her own juices in an undignified way.

Euthanasia should be legal but the assessment and conditions must be very carefully thought through - and patients who demand that they be kept alive even though in huge pain should not be denied life-maintaining treatment.
 
You don't know many "dead" people do you? Maybe that's the problem.


I do admire the fervency of your faith though, believing that somthing is impossible requires willpower.

It requires being able to understand reality. That is all it requires. When something totally defies the reality of the world than chances are it is not reality either and can be discounted as nonsense.
 
If any children of mine are foolish enough to waste thousands of dollars on a fancy box within which to dispose of my remains, I will hound them into their own graves next.

If there's enough brain left to be frozen, do that. Strip the rest for useful parts. And then, if you can't feed what's left to the pigs, at very least burn it as cheaply as possible.

It's a corpse. If I still had any use for it, they wouldn't be planning my funeral.


Couldn't agree more with you here. That's almost exactly what I've told my own family, and what my Dad drilled into our heads for years. Take everything that can be used, burn the rest and don't plant me in the ground.
 
Couldn't agree more with you here. That's almost exactly what I've told my own family, and what my Dad drilled into our heads for years. Take everything that can be used, burn the rest and don't plant me in the ground.

Cremation is my desired way out of here.
 
I'm all for it. No suffering, no making others suffer with me, live with dignty and die with dignity.

And when I'm gone, I want to be cremated, my ashes taken back to Lebanon or to Armenia, dispersed on the soil and a pomegranate tree planted where my ashes are.

Is that too much to ask ?
 
I'm all for it. No suffering, no making others suffer with me, live with dignty and die with dignity.

And when I'm gone, I want to be cremated, my ashes taken back to Lebanon or to Armenia, dispersed on the soil and a pomegranate tree planted where my ashes are.

Is that too much to ask ?

No it is just lovely. I think that is just the way it should be. When the time comes we should be ready and no fuss no muss.
 
It requires being able to understand reality. That is all it requires. When something totally defies the reality of the world than chances are it is not reality either and can be discounted as nonsense.
ROFLOL!

A Human Being claiming to understand the nature of Reality!

Let me assure you, you do not.

Our limited mentality and the dainty trickles of information that our sensoria provide, our mayfly life spans, the lack of insight into ourselves which would be needed to provide context and perspective, our inconceivable ignorance, all of these things and so much more prevent us from having more than the vaguest distorted whisper of a hint of a clue about the most limited understand of Reality-- whatever that might be.

Humanity! For a moment of time you dip the tip of your smallest finger into a tiny puddle in the dark and claim you thereby gain a thorough understanding of the nature of the world-spanning Ocean Sea!

Such endearing arrogance could only come naturally to the Children of God!
 
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Cremation is my desired way out of here.
I love the sea, so my last splash will be off the sand barr, where the Mersy meets the Irish Sea!
 
ROFLOL!

A Human Being claiming to understand the nature of Reality!

Let me assure you, you do not.

Our limited mentality and the dainty trickles of information that our sensoria provide, our mayfly life spans, the lack of insight into ourselves which would be needed to provide context and perspective, our inconceivable ignorance, all of these things and so much more prevent us from having more than the vaguest distorted whisper of a hint of a clue about the most limited understand of Reality-- whatever that might be.

Humanity! For a moment of time you dip the tip of your smallest finger into a tiny puddle in the dark and claim the it gives you a thorough understanding of the nature of the world-spanning Ocean Sea!

Such endearing arrogance could only come naturally to the Children of God!

When did you become a mind reader. You presume to know what people know and do not. Give me a break. With god and 4.50 you can buy a cappuccino. Oh without god and 4.50 you can get cappuccino as well.
 
I'm uncertain about the legal stuff. I'd rather not put that much power over my life in the hands of the legal establishment. I'm a bit twitchy like that :)

But, no one has the right to decide how I die, except me. When it's time, I'll do as my ancestors did and walk off into a blizzard. Freezing to death is pretty painless and I'd be taking one last walk towards the mountains I love. If I can't do it for myself, then my strays had better come through for me, after all the dirty bums and snotty noses I've wiped, they better! :)

I really wish we could still have our traditional burial ceremonies. Going to dust naturally while lying on a scaffold, eternally having my face lifted to the Sun........ yeah...... Barring that, wrap me in a wool blanket, bury me up near Two Medicine, or Red Blanket Butte, I'll be happy.
 
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