Which of these are good ideas for reducing pork spending?

Harry Guerrilla said:

Seriously, the worst idea ever. It could basically make a king out of the president.

The best idea is single issue/item bills.

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Are you capable of explaining the function of the veto as currently practised in the US government?

Are you able to explain how the current form of veto allows the Congress to impose it's will on the Executive?

Outside of the fact that the Line Item Veto is the only means to control pork spending so far mentioned on this thread, what's the real basis of your opposition to it?

Inferno said:

One subject at a time per bill. It would be the only way to get this to work. A line item veto would only stop pork from one side at a time. One item per bill would take forever. It is hard to say what would or would not work.

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Right, and the side that gets it's pork cut isn't going to vote for the other side's pork. so it's not as likely to get included in the bill.

Seriously, are you people that ignorant of the backroom dealing that goes on to get bills passed?

Also....if only one party's pork is getting passed....isn't that a significant reduction in pork.....hmmmmm?

Redress said:

I think the only really effective, practical solution is a president who is willing to veto any bill with pork, and keep vetoing it until all the pork is gone, and willing to do that for every bill that crosses his desk with pork. Won't happen, but the rest just won't work, are impractical, and line item veto is downright dangerous.

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Not possible, not practical. Why do you think the slugs in Congress put so much pork on so-called "must pass" legislation, like their evil back-door attachment of Mental Health to the "urgent" and "emergency" bank bailout bill handed to Bush in 2008?

Okay, so we've demonstrated the irrational fear of using the president to limit the unlawful powers of Congress via the Line Item Veto Amendment.

How about this to limit pork:

Move the tax filing deadline from April 15 to November 1st, which is within one week of the federal elections. Put taxes and elections in close proximity, see what happens.

Here's another one:

End employer tax withholdings, require taxpayers to write a check for their taxes. They write rent checks, they write mortgage checks, they write checks for car payments and electric bills, they can keep their cell phone payments up, so don't give any nonsense about them not being able to write a check for their taxes. Make them AWARE of how much their money each month is going to the government.

To be fair, each year send the public an itemized list of what their money is being spent on, and how their Congressman voted for those appropriations.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:

Are you capable of explaining the function of the veto as currently practised in the US government?

Are you able to explain how the current form of veto allows the Congress to impose it's will on the Executive?

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A line veto just means the president can cross off what ever he doesn't want in a bill, it doesn't mean he will use that to cross off pork spending. He may even keep pork spending in hopes the house and senate will put something in a bill that he wants.

I could be wrong ,but wouldn't this be the results of a line item veto if a Obama was given a immigration reform compromise ?

Another immigration compromise bill.
Amnesty for 12-20 million illegals.
Funds to hire additional border guards. vetoed
Free legal assistance for illegals seeking amnesty.
Funds to build a wall on the border. vetoed
Easier access to foreign labor.
Funds to hire additional ice agents. vetoed
transportation assistance for the families of illegals seeking amnesty.
A ban on all future amnesties. vetoed
illegal immigration a felony for the first offense.vetoed
Hiring illegals subject to imprisonment and assets forfeiture.vetoed

Outside of the fact that the Line Item Veto is the only means to control pork spending so far mentioned on this thread, what's the real basis of your opposition to it?

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People are less likely to steal when they know for a fact they are being watched. I imagine that if senator douchbag knew that everyone and their mom can just pull up a video of him giving funding to a dirt museum then more than likely he won't do it seeing how his political opponents can use this against him.

jamesrage said:

A line veto just means the president can cross off what ever he doesn't want in a bill,

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A veto means that Congress can override anything they really want that the President doesn't want.