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Are we an arrogant country?

Are we an Arrogant country?

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Cephus said:
It was a test to see what we'd do. I mean, it isn't like we put missles in West Germany or anything... :roll:

Didn't mean much in the end, did it?

Read: it got in the way of our undisputed control over a foreign nation's oil. Gotcha.

Because we didn't have spies in the Kremlin or try to steal their MiG technology or anything.

Pot. Kettle. Black.
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You have got to be kidding with this nonsensical bile.

The only thing more laughable than this tripe is the fact that Scourge thanked you for it.

:rofl

"It was a test to see what we'd do"

Wrong; it was a direct threat to the safety of the United States.

"I mean, it isn't like we put missles in West Germany"

Yes we did; in direct response to the threat the Communist Soviet Union posed to Western Europe by targeting them with nukes.

"Didn't mean much in the end, did it?"

And this was only because we acted to the direct threat to peace and efforts of the Communist Soviet Union to dominate the world.

"it got in the way of our undisputed control over a foreign nation's oil. "

This is just an outright lie made in a vacuum of the historic facts.

"Because we didn't have spies in the Kremlin or try to steal their MIG technology or anything."

This level of denial is beyond absurd, it borders on hysterics. By the way, we didn't need to steal their MIG technology; it was the same tech stolen from us.

The notion that we are the pot calling the Kettle black can only be made in a hate America first mental state supported by historical ignorance and willful denial.

I am going to leave you with the OBVIOUS; had the actions of the Soviet Union and Communist China had not been an effort to dominate and threaten the far East, the Middle East, the South American continent or Western Europe, much of the history you so despise in a vacuum of the actions of the worlds enemies would not have occurred.

Despite your hate America first attitude, the United States does not attempt to take over nations and their cultures in an effort to dominate them or control them and it supports human rights, freedom, prosperity and the necessary democracy it takes to achieve it.

Dismissed; I am hardly surprised by who would thank you for comments so lacking in intellect and coherent facts.
 
Truth Detector said:
What profound irony considering the fact that you were the one who suggested that Egypt was a US ally. But when I prove this a false assertion you blather the thread with the above nonsense proving my argument and then state the following:



What level of willful denial and trolling does it take to make a false assertion, then when called on it suggest you could lecture ANYONE here on DP about history and the FACTS and then whine and rail about hyper partisanship?

The only thing readily apparent here is your desperate trolling, your willful denial and suspension of disbelief and your warped versions of history to support your hate America first mentality.

Please spare me more of your absurdity. You couldn’t make a coherent factual argument if it walked up and slapped you on your hate America first skull.
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I gave you a link to the definition of "ally" and sourced numerous facts. Your inability to respond with anything but unsubstantive blathering is another testement to the futility in discussion with you.

You'll undoubtedly win the asshat award this year.
 
scourge99 said:
I gave you a link to the definition of "ally" and sourced numerous facts. Your inability to respond with anything but unsubstantive blathering is another testement to the futility in discussion with you.

You'll undoubtedly win the asshat award this year.
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*kicks dirt*

Damnit I wanted the awarded.
 
We sure are. There's a decent amount of blind patriotism that goes on in the country and some people think that everything we do is right and just.
 
scourge99 said:
I gave you a link to the definition of "ally" and sourced numerous facts. Your inability to respond with anything but unsubstantive blathering is another testement to the futility in discussion with you.
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Wrong; you provided sources that support my contention that your claim that Egypt was an ally are beyond absurd, but rather indicate the typical emotional hysterics you engage in with your hate-America first rants.


scourge99 said:
You'll undoubtedly win the asshat award this year.
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You just can't help yourself can you? :rofl

Carry on. :2wave:
 
winston53660 said:
Okay name something the US has done wrong w/o using liberal and or democrats.
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There is a very long list:

I will start with, (1) accepting the practice of Slavery;

(2) The genocide conducted against American Indians;

(3) Engaging the US in the Vietnam War under false pretenses and then once engaged, trying to micro-manage the war from the White House; than later after obtaining a peace agreement with the Communists, not standing behind our ally when the Communists violated the peace agreement.


Would you like me to go on?
 
Truth Detector said:
Wrong; you provided sources that support my contention that your claim that Egypt was an ally are beyond absurd,
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. Ally - to associate or connect by some mutual relationship, as resemlbance of friendship.

So our military AND economic aid as well as our sabotaging of an english/french plan to capture the sinai as well as our constant outreach to them to avoid them allying themselves with Russia are all examples of the US-Egyptian ENEMY (the antonym of ally) relationship.

Is that what you are saying? If not, what was our relationship with Egypt BEFORE the 6 day war?

but rather indicate the typical emotional hysterics you engage in with your hate-America first rants.
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this is known as blather.
 
Truth Detector said:
There is a very long list:

I will start with, (1) accepting the practice of Slavery;

(2) The genocide conducted against American Indians;

(3) Engaging the US in the Vietnam War under false pretenses and then once engaged, trying to micro-manage the war from the White House; than later after obtaining a peace agreement with the Communists, not standing behind our ally when the Communists violated the peace agreement.


Would you like me to go on?
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Shocking you didn't blame anything on liberals, democrats, socialists or communists.
 
We are the most benevolent and philanthropic super power the world has ever seen.

Obama calling us "arrogant" is simply disgusting.
It's on par with Holder's "cowards".
Michelle's "never being proud of this nation".
Wright's disdain for this country.

See a pattern?

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Obama on his US World Apology tour, recently stated that we are an arrogant country.

Questions:

Are we?

What do you think of Obama's statements?
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No we are not.
We are doing the best we can in an ever changing world.

Besides the Bush Jr mistakes I think we have done a pretty good job.
 
zimmer said:
See a pattern?
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The pattern I see is that two-fold.

First, many seem to believe it's arrogant when the U.S. uses force against lesser powers. We've seen many examples tossed out... Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq, etc. Yet I've seen no one suggest that using force against the Axis powers in WWII was an arrogant display of power. I believe some have a fundamental problem with 'unbalanced' military operations. If the other side has little or no chance of putting up a fight, then the stronger nation is 'arrogant.' This would be a difficult proposition to extend to the use of force in other situations... such as our police forces. Would we want our police only to engage criminals who are sufficiently armed and dangerous so they have a 50/50 chance of winning? Or would we prefer our police to have an overwhelming advantage against the criminals they pursue?

The second pattern is that the U.S. is considered 'arrogant' when it disagrees with international (more specifically Western European) ideas and policies. The failure to ratify Kyoto, for instance, is often seen as a sign of arrogance... even thought it was a highly unbalanced treaty quite unfavorable to U.S. interests.

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Obama on his US World Apology tour, recently stated that we are an arrogant country.

Questions:

Are we?

What do you think of Obama's statements?
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Every country has their arrogant yahoo’s, it’s just the US has more per capita…

The world has a much different view of America than the distorted view America has of itself…

You’re taking Obama’s comment out of context, compared to the full quote…

JMO

Peace
 
Pull My Finger said:
Every country has their arrogant yahoo’s, it’s just the US has more per capita…

The world has a much different view of America than the distorted view America has of itself…

You’re taking Obama’s comment out of context, compared to the full quote…

JMO

Peace
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:lol: poor obama, always taken out of context. :lol:
 
scourge99 said:
. Ally - to associate or connect by some mutual relationship, as resemlbance of friendship.

So our military AND economic aid as well as our sabotaging of an english/french plan to capture the sinai as well as our constant outreach to them to avoid them allying themselves with Russia are all examples of the US-Egyptian ENEMY (the antonym of ally) relationship.

Is that what you are saying? If not, what was our relationship with Egypt BEFORE the 6 day war?

this is known as blather.
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What in the world are you talking about; Nasser started buying arms from Czechoslovakia back in 1955. Before that he was armed with British and French weapons. The US had little or NO influence in the region. Our closest ally was Saudi Arabia.

By the time of the Suez Canal Crises, Nasser already had been signing pacts with Eastern Bloc nations for arms.

The US didn't work with the UN and other nations to stop the invasion by France and Britain because it was allied with Egypt; Eisenhower MISTAKENLY believed that it might provoke a wider confrontation with the Soviet Union and it’s Eastern Bloc allies.

Eisenhower made many political mistakes like this during his Presidency thinking it would lead to peace. All his efforts got him was a more Radical Arab presence, a stronger Soviet Union and more wars after his Presidency was over.

Along with Suez crisis, the United States was also dealing with the near-simultaneous Hungarian revolution, and faced the public relations embarrassment of criticizing Hungary's suppression of the revolutionaries there while at the same time avoiding criticism of its two principal European allies' actions. Perhaps more significantly, the United States also feared a wider war after the Soviet Union and the other Warsaw Pact nations threatened to intervene on the Egyptian side and make rocket attacks[33] on London, Tel Aviv, and Paris.

Thus, the Eisenhower administration forced a cease-fire on Britain, Israel, and France. The U.S. demanded that the invasion stop and sponsored resolutions in the UN Security Council calling for a cease-fire. Britain and France, as permanent members of the Council, vetoed these draft resolutions. The U.S. then appealed to the United Nations General Assembly and proposed a resolution calling for a cease-fire and a withdrawal of forces.[34] The General Assembly consequently held an 'emergency special session' under the terms of Uniting for Peace resolution, and adopted Assembly resolution 1001,[35] which established the first United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF), and called for "an immediate cease-fire". Portugal and Iceland went so far as to suggest ejecting Britain and France from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) defense pact if they didn't withdraw from Egypt.[36] Britain and France withdrew from Egypt within a week.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis]Suez Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Here is another little tidbit of info on Eisenhower's actions:

In 1956, Eisenhower strongly disapproved of the actions of Britain, France and Israel in sending troops to Egypt in the dispute over control of the Suez Canal. He used the economic power of the U.S. to force his European allies to back down and withdraw from Egypt. However, he later described this decision as the greatest foreign policy mistake he made during his time in office.

Presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes Ike, it was a MAJOR blunder but we all cannot be perfect.

Yep, and with all these efforts to promote peace in the region, all the US got was the typical hate America BS you seem to wallow in.

Your history needs a serious enema. Perhaps if you stopped reading all the Communist and terrorist propaganda you could be better informed?
 
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Truth Detector said:
What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with the nation’s foreign policies?

This is beyond wandering off topic.
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Why do the libs throw out Limbaugh in defending Pres Doofus? Do they think Limbaugh's position is equivelent to the Presidency? He is an entertainer that has never run for public office. :roll:
 
Truth Detector said:
Dismissed; I am hardly surprised by who would thank you for comments so lacking in intellect and coherent facts.
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Hardly surprised you want to sweep it all under the rug, hyper-conservatives are absurd beyond belief. :roll:
 
Cephus said:
Hardly surprised you want to sweep it all under the rug, hyper-conservatives are absurd beyond belief. :roll:
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You have an odd perception of what is absurd when you are the one suggesting the former Soviet Union is like the US.

This is not about hyper-partisan; this is about outright dumb statements which have no basis in reality, the facts or the historic record. :2wave:
 
Truth Detector said:
And yet no one has made that argument. :2wave:
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...In this thread. I never claimed anyone in this thread made such an argument. Please go find something to do, I think Scourge grows weary of making you look like a fool.
 
Cephus said:
Hardly surprised you want to sweep it all under the rug, hyper-conservatives are absurd beyond belief. :roll:
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I think if we ignore it, it will go away.

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