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Should child bearing be a controlled privilege?

Should the right to bear children be regulated?

  • Yes to help keep the poulation down so hunting lands don't get overcrowded!

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Yes for other reasons

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • No this is dumb

    Votes: 26 65.0%
  • Hmmm maybe

    Votes: 7 17.5%

  • Total voters
    40
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Who determines what is extreme? What man is sufficiently endowed with wisdom and insight to co-opt the liberty of his fellow man?

The same way we determine every other law, by popular vote and legislation, of course. You speak of liberty, but with liberty comes responsibility and when people stop taking personal responsibility for their actions, they stop deserving to have liberty.
 
The issue really isn't so much who gets to raise the kids, but how many kids are born. This isn't an issue in industrialized countries, where birth rates are either negative or close to zero. The difficult choices are in nations with limited space and ever increasing population. China's one-child policy may have been draconian and perhaps too harshly implemented, but it prevented an even worse disaster from occurring. The world can only support so many people, and it can support even less in comfort.

The ball really isn't in the U.S. court on this topic, its up to other nations or international bodies to try and solve it.
 
I don't know the answer. What I do know is that my husband and I had to take over 39 hours of class to become adoptive parents. We also had to take 15 hours of class a year to continue to be foster parents. In addition, we had to go through a home study that was very personal. We had to discuss our relationship with each other and with our parents.

It seems ironic to me that anyone can have a child but it is very difficult to be allowed to take care of the children who need care.
 
Ingesting drugs is not a biological process, as it requires an outside source.

My wife required an outside source to get pregnant too... my penis and what it produced. ;)
 
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So, if a time comes when the country or the world does not have enough resources for the population to survive as a whole, you would rather let the population suffer instead of staving it off, by forced abortions?
I’d rather have individuals make those types of choices rather than the state. If you want to give up your individual choices to the state then go ahead but, I will not follow your path my friend.
 
It would be easier to regulate child Rearing instead of child bearing....
One of my sisters had 8, the first 2 got adopted out as she was still single, the next 3 went off with the father after the divorce, and then she raised the last 3 on her own after the next divorce. She had more male friends than a cat in permanent heat....
I could write pages about how bad a mother she was. Preventing her from getting pregnant was pretty much impossible.
Allowing her to raise them was the main problem....
 
It would be easier to regulate child Rearing instead of child bearing....
Agreed. The presence of an actual child in the equation, himself or herself a human being fully endowed with basic human rights, provides a worthy foundation for such government intrusion (namely, protecting the rights and welfare of the child).
 
Should there be regulations on the right to bear children?

Perhaps being able to have kids should be looked upon like being a privilage like the right to drive a car?

Should parent wannabe's be mandated to take a class and pass a test.

Should there be regulations on being able to qualify to bear children such as marriage, financial stability, minimum age limits etc.

Should it be imposed that a type birth control is mandatory until certain qualifications are met?

No.Child birth should not be treated like a government controlled privilege.
However that said you shouldn't be allowed to pop out a **** load of kids and expect tax payers to give you money. While mooching off tax payers you should be on some form of birth control or perhaps the state can take those children and give them to people who can afford to take care of children or the state can take care of those children.
 
No.Child birth should not be treated like a government controlled privilege.
However that said you shouldn't be allowed to pop out a **** load of kids and expect tax payers to give you money. While mooching off tax payers you should be on some form of birth control or perhaps the state can take those children and give them to people who can afford to take care of children or the state can take care of those children.

This country is going way off track in terms of having children at young ages and having children with 5 different fathers etc.

Some serious steps need to be taken to curve the degraded family and moral values this country has evolved.

If our founding forefathers of america had more logically looked at law issues of adultery and made it a much worse offense 200 years ago our family morals and faithfulness to ones spouse would not evolved to this level of pathetic selfcentered thought proccess. This shows a tragic flaw of how too much freedom in some areas can slowly evolve to a completely different perception of marriage and family foundations.

Religion became the first form of a law when humans first started to become civilized. Then laws were formed in community's based from religion. Adultery was always a very bad crime in every religion but unfortunately this somehow got overlooked along the way and this is why america has slowly degraded its family values to this level.

Sorry I got a little off track on the childbirth issue...:)
 
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Should there be regulations on the right to bear children?

Perhaps being able to have kids should be looked upon like being a privilage like the right to drive a car?

Should parent wannabe's be mandated to take a class and pass a test.

Should there be regulations on being able to qualify to bear children such as marriage, financial stability, minimum age limits etc.

Should it be imposed that a type birth control is mandatory until certain qualifications are met?

I would support all these controls as long as I, and I alone, are the deciding authority. Give all the power to me and I'll use it wisely and benevolently. Trust me. Really, trust me.

;)
 
This is what we need, our government dosn't have enough control over our lives. Should we have manditory abortions with a limit of one child per family? Should we also limit free speech especially when it is against the government. Who needs freedom of religion? Ban religion. What about the right to bare arms? Its easier for the government to control unarmed peasants you know. Should we then build a fence around the country and shoot anyone who tries to escape the ASR (American Socialist Republic)?
 
I would support all these controls as long as I, and I alone, are the deciding authority. Give all the power to me and I'll use it wisely and benevolently. Trust me. Really, trust me.

;)

Perhaps force every teen that hits puberty to be on contraceptive.

Just like having to take polio vaccines etc.

Actually just look at it as a vaccine for fetuses...:)

When the children grow to be responsible adults after completing school, become married, and pass classes and evaluation standards set up by social services then they earn the right to bear children...
 
When the children grow to be responsible adults after completing school, become married, and pass classes and evaluation standards set up by social services then they earn the right to bear children...

this is scary.
 
Perhaps force every teen that hits puberty to be on contraceptive.

Just like having to take polio vaccines etc.

Actually just look at it as a vaccine for fetuses...:)

When the children grow to be responsible adults after completing school, become married, and pass classes and evaluation standards set up by social services then they earn the right to bear children...

Let me guess, you voted for Obama, your a socialist if not a Marxist, and you don't trust people to make there own decisions so the government should do it for them, you believe in craddle to grave care for everyone and a nanny state should provide this.
 
Guess it depends if you feel your country owns you or not.


Fascist ideas are often popular.This is a pretty revealing thread.
 
This country is going way off track in terms of having children at young ages and having children with 5 different fathers etc.

Having children at a young age is actually ideal. That is when we are most fertile and most likely to produce healthy children. Having children in their mid-to-late teens also considerably reduces a woman's chances of breast, cervical, and ovarian cancer.

One of the most serious errors in our culture is our attempts to keep extending adolescence and putting off adult responsibilities later and later. Men and women should start seriously considering marrying and having children reasonably soon after becoming capable.

I certainly agree with you that promiscuity and having children out of wedlock need to be much more strongly discouraged-- and I am happy to entertain any ideas you might have to that end, provided that they do not surrender authority over sexuality and reproduction to the State.

You should know that when you are proposing State authority that I, in my ideal State, would not want to exercise, that you are probably heading into dangerous territory.
 
Having children at a young age is actually ideal. That is when we are most fertile and most likely to produce healthy children. Having children in their mid-to-late teens also considerably reduces a woman's chances of breast, cervical, and ovarian cancer.

One of the most serious errors in our culture is our attempts to keep extending adolescence and putting off adult responsibilities later and later. Men and women should start seriously considering marrying and having children reasonably soon after becoming capable.

I certainly agree with you that promiscuity and having children out of wedlock need to be much more strongly discouraged-- and I am happy to entertain any ideas you might have to that end, provided that they do not surrender authority over sexuality and reproduction to the State.

You should know that when you are proposing State authority that I, in my ideal State, would not want to exercise, that you are probably heading into dangerous territory.

Some very good insight...

Perhaps there should be some type of information or ad campaign to change the american attitude from being self centered and all about personal satisfaction in life.

Not much unlike all the commercials trying to sway public veiw on smoking.

Except this campaign should work on changing the public veiw on marriage and children relations and somehow change the self centered attitude toward the want to understand and help your spouse and childrens needs attitude.

If the general perception is changed then this would increase the chances of many more early marriages lasting.
 
Perhaps there should be some type of information or ad campaign to change the american attitude from being self centered and all about personal satisfaction in life.

I'd support this, but I don't think it will be nearly enough. I think we need some sort of mass movement to promote these ideas, and to re-engage people in family and public life. Unfortunately, such a thing would be fighting practically the entire weight of the media and consumer culture.

I'm not sure how to accomplish it.
 
I'd support this, but I don't think it will be nearly enough. I think we need some sort of mass movement to promote these ideas, and to re-engage people in family and public life. Unfortunately, such a thing would be fighting practically the entire weight of the media and consumer culture.

I'm not sure how to accomplish it.

Once the entertainment industry got its meathooks in the saleability of sex, lust, mass dating, search for the worlds perfect spouse, etc.

This helped spark the masses attitude toward drop your spouse like a hot potato and constantly upgrade.

Like a perpetual search for greener grass under the pretense of fulfilling ones self centered desires at any cost to siblings and current spouse.
I believe that todays world of advanced transportation, greater contact with many more people, and easier communication routes helped feed into this
 
Should there be regulations on the right to bear children?

Perhaps being able to have kids should be looked upon like being a privilage like the right to drive a car?

Should parent wannabe's be mandated to take a class and pass a test.

Should there be regulations on being able to qualify to bear children such as marriage, financial stability, minimum age limits etc.

Should it be imposed that a type birth control is mandatory until certain qualifications are met?



There should definitely be regulations on the right to bear children. There are too many people bringing children into the world when they aren't even capable of taking care of themselves. It's not right. I'm not just talking about teenagers, either. I'm only 17 and I could raise children better than all my friends parents can. I'd bet my life on that.
Being allowed to have children should be a privilage, not a right. Especially for stupid, incompetant morons.
I wish so badly there was a way someone could monitor everyone in the country at once, but there isn't.
More irresponsible people are going to continue to pop out babies and there's nothing anyone can do about it. I know no one outside of my own family who does a good job parenting. I'm so sick of my friends' stupid parents. They know absolutely nothing!
Also, I think that as long as someone isn't a total douche-bag and is financially stable, they should be able to have a child if they really want one.
If there were to be a test, it'd be long as hell.
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Anyone who failed, though, would have one more chance and then have to sterilize themselves.
For me, that'd be very ideal. You can't blame a girl for wishing.
 
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It's the only way to achieve a peaceful resolution to the
supremacist impulse, which is genetic.

The other way will probably involve more nuclear weapon use.

Excellent question once again.
 
My country controlling my reproductive organs? ROFL no, I think not. Only a fascist would want that kind of invasive, impractical, all-encompassing government control over our own bodies. No way in ****ing hell is anyone going to tell me that I *have* to have a child, much less that I *can't* have one.

That said, I do think that women on public assistance should be required to use the pill, or have an IUD put in, or *something* to help prevent them from having MORE children while on government assistance. They simply have a choice... take the money and adhere to the rules/guidelines. Or, don't take the money.

However, I think the above could really only be implemented if there is a reversible means of birth control for women that doesn't have all the health dangers and awful side effects of the pill. An IUD would work well, IMO, though. Which is actually better because that wouldn't rely on the mother actually DOING anything to continue the birth control. When she wanted the IUD out, she stops receiving public assistance. Simple.
 
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More irresponsible people are going to continue to pop out babies and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

this is rather irrelevant but I'm always amused by the phrase "popping out babies"...as if it's anything like that.

oops, looks like it's been nine months already, I'll just pop this thing out on my lunch break, drop it off at my mom's and head back to work.
 
More irresponsible people are going to continue to pop out babies and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Sure there is. You can refuse to pay for their offspring, then hold them entirely responsible for their care. If they cannot care for them, you take them away and place them with adoptive parents. Make it absolutely clear that this will be the situation for each and every subsequent child they might have. Heck, since hospitals can, with the support of the state, refuse to release infants to their mothers unless the mother can prove, to the satisfaction of the state, that the parent is financially, emotionally and physically capable of caring for the infant properly, most of these kids will never go home in the first place.

Damn straight we can do something about it.
 
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