For those who love, or hate, Obama.

WillRockwell said:

I can't even fathom how anyone with the intelligence of a five year old could seriously announce that Bush was a superior president to Obama. I'm sure nobody really believes that, it's just dogmatic Republican ideology which compels you to say it.

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LOL....Have you been introduced to my friend Kettle there Mr. Pot?

WillRockwell said:

Oh, like I misunderstood the past eight years? Bush was a dedicated public servant and his administration did their best to improve the lives of Americans and raise the prestige of America in the world? My friend, I lived the past eight years as an adult, and am in full possession of my memory, so please don't try to re-write recent history for me.

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Centrist, my ass....

It's not "hate".

To me 'hate' is often overused and usually is an emotional reaction that has little to do with logic.

There are instances it applies.
I said I hate the left for how it treated the troops during Iraq and Vietnam.
I don't know if it's hate but the bad blood runs deep.


As for Obama:

It's a disdain for who he is and what he stands for.
What he is doing based on his beliefs.

Nothing more.
I'm sure he wouldn't be a bad guy to play golf with, drink a brew with, smoke a fattie with (if you do that type of thing), and even carp about politics.

As President he is "Unit for Command".
I disgree with so much, but did like what I heard about education.
His record with Ayers on that is abysmal, so I wonder about this in the long run too.

I don't hate socialists (celtilord bear with me).
I have many as friends.
Most don't know their wishes are inferior, costing more and delivering significantly less and at a snails pace.
These people you can help. The "typical" lib under 30.
It's the ideologues that can't face facts that I cannot understand.
I don't hate them.
I simply cannot fathom a healthy brain can logically ignore the obvious.
That's why I asked where socialism has been successful.

There was ONE good example. The military is one too, but it is constitutional and the cornerstone of our freedom.

Have a great weekend.

Cheers... to the lefties too.

Obama will make Bush look pretty good.
Bush was successful with the War on Terror.
Bush anticipated Americans might tire of it, but he wouldn't. He didn't.
He got some pretty hard hits; lesser men would have crumbled.
Hail to the Chief!

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faminedynasty said:

That position is completely indefensible at this point.

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No, it's not, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.

WillRockwell said:

Oh, like I misunderstood the past eight years? Bush was a dedicated public servant and his administration did their best to improve the lives of Americans and raise the prestige of America in the world? My friend, I lived the past eight years as an adult, and am in full possession of my memory, so please don't try to re-write recent history for me.

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More accurately, Bush was a dedicated servant to elite special interests and the 'wall street gang' as well as to the military industrial complex.... well above and beyond how dedicated he was to public interests.

earthworm said:

"None of the selections".
No choice of value is given...
But I do lean toward Obama...and I'd be embarrassed to be a Republican right now..
Politics is too dirty.

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I do really want to like Obama... I really do, but what is absolutely terrifying is in the things that he ANNOUNCES that he's going to do, He's going to continue to do his work that will undoubtedly bankrupt the nation, so we can lower our standard of living enough that we would no longer object to a one world government.

Even worse is that fear I have that Obama's popularity will slip, and the establishment WILL resort to another 'pearl harbour' style attack that will completely end any objections to his power, allow for martial law in america, the destruction of the rest of what makes us a free country, and leave us like the major big bankers have done to countless other THIRD world countries.

mikhail said:

Obama has a core of people who will support him no matter what just like bush did.

I like Obama i think he is at least well intentioned however i dont like the sycophants who are alot of his supporters.

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While it's true that there is a group of 'Obama-zombies' that will blame the rest of the population WHEN his policies bankrupt the nation saying that it is EVERYBODY ELSE's fault for not falling in line behind the savior.

Regardless of Obama's intentions, deep down he knows that he's a bought and paid-for puppet of the same people that bought and paid for Bush, Clinton, Nixon... actuallly, the last REAL president this country had was JFK... look what happened to him for being such an idealist.

Like KRS-One says in an interview : "This country was on the verge of a REAL REVOLUTION, and then they throw a black man up and everyone lets their guard down."

I could find countless quotes about the END-goal of globalization... the same globalization that Obama AND BUSH's worked towards (among countless others each playing their parts) that when the world succumbs to this 'new order' there WILL be a population reduction globally of somewhere between 50% up to what the 'georgia guidestones' state "a world population of 500 million people living in balance with nature in perpetuity.' (That's what 90% reduction?)

(Don't think that that many people might die... ask yourself, if the grocery stores ran our of food... how long would YOU survive?)

BmanMcfly said:

More accurately, Bush was a dedicated servant to elite special interests and the 'wall street gang' as well as to the military industrial complex.... well above and beyond how dedicated he was to public interests.



I do really want to like Obama... I really do, but what is absolutely terrifying is in the things that he ANNOUNCES that he's going to do, He's going to continue to do his work that will undoubtedly bankrupt the nation, so we can lower our standard of living enough that we would no longer object to a one world government.

Even worse is that fear I have that Obama's popularity will slip, and the establishment WILL resort to another 'pearl harbour' style attack that will completely end any objections to his power, allow for martial law in america, the destruction of the rest of what makes us a free country, and leave us like the major big bankers have done to countless other THIRD world countries.



While it's true that there is a group of 'Obama-zombies' that will blame the rest of the population WHEN his policies bankrupt the nation saying that it is EVERYBODY ELSE's fault for not falling in line behind the savior.

Regardless of Obama's intentions, deep down he knows that he's a bought and paid-for puppet of the same people that bought and paid for Bush, Clinton, Nixon... actuallly, the last REAL president this country had was JFK... look what happened to him for being such an idealist.

Like KRS-One says in an interview : "This country was on the verge of a REAL REVOLUTION, and then they throw a black man up and everyone lets their guard down."

I could find countless quotes about the END-goal of globalization... the same globalization that Obama AND BUSH's worked towards (among countless others each playing their parts) that when the world succumbs to this 'new order' there WILL be a population reduction globally of somewhere between 50% up to what the 'georgia guidestones' state "a world population of 500 million people living in balance with nature in perpetuity.' (That's what 90% reduction?)

(Don't think that that many people might die... ask yourself, if the grocery stores ran our of food... how long would YOU survive?)

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What on earth are you talking about? :shock:

kaya'08 said:

What on earth are you talking about? :shock:

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Simple : Bush and Obama are both PUPPETS. They are script readers. Obama doesn't decide anything of his own accord, he acts upon the interests of his controllers... the people that bought and paid for them to be propped up as president.

Like I said, the last 'non' puppet president was JFK. Ever since, the presidency is just a face for the interests that control him, if he doesn't keep these interests happy, suddenly there is a scandal and they are removed... Same principle with Bush, he was tremendously unpopular yet, because he kept the interests happy had a full presidency.

WillRockwell said:

Oh, like I misunderstood the past eight years? Bush was a dedicated public servant and his administration did their best to improve the lives of Americans and raise the prestige of America in the world? My friend, I lived the past eight years as an adult, and am in full possession of my memory, so please don't try to re-write recent history for me.

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Well. Yes. The Presidents JOB is not to raise the prestige of anyone. It is to keep the safety and interests of the USA his #1 priority. The staggering overhaul the national security system the previous administration put in place is what kept Islamic attacks off US soil. Interdepartmental police enforcement communication is at an all time high. Dismantling the information walls that helped enable the 9/11 attacks was a tremendous achievement. I wont tell you who put that wall in place. Teach a man to google and all that. I am neutral personally to the current President but it is clear to me he serves the private owners of the federal reserve first. Not the interests of the US citizens. How can you justify GIVING trillions to banks then the banks loan you back the money on INTEREST. Even with the tremendous bamboozling we have just experienced...this will get worse. What exactly is the excuse for our government to PASS a LAW without reading it? Then beyatch about the bonuses they just signed off on. Bonuses PUT IN PLACE directly from whitehouse officials. How can you love Obama and not Bush? They are the SAME because Obama is supporting many of the policies Bush implemented. You know that Guantanamo closing declaration? Read it. It is an agreement to think about closing it in a year. No law, not enforceable, nothing but air.

No torture no torture blah blah blah--

US threatens Britain over terrorism 'torture evidence' Look at the date on that article. Who was president at the time? Not GWB.


There are reams of public information out there. Disinformation as well such as cnn,fox,msnbc etc. Be careful.

BmanMcfly said:

Simple : Bush and Obama are both PUPPETS. They are script readers. Obama doesn't decide anything of his own accord, he acts upon the interests of his controllers... the people that bought and paid for them to be propped up as president.

Like I said, the last 'non' puppet president was JFK. Ever since, the presidency is just a face for the interests that control him, if he doesn't keep these interests happy, suddenly there is a scandal and they are removed... Same principle with Bush, he was tremendously unpopular yet, because he kept the interests happy had a full presidency.

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Obama is a better Puppet than Bush but I feel you are correct. Bush prepped the path. It was almost too obvious. Look at the FIRST thing that happened. Obama rode a wave of maniacal love to ramrod the bankers trillions of taxpayer money.
Follow the money trail. Obama has been groomed for this since he was a kissinger lackey. Bush did his presidential job for the most part but he was still a puppet and paved the way for the buildeburg golden boy.
Now we dont even have that.

kaya'08 said:

What on earth are you talking about? :shock:

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Obama serves the private owners of the Federal Reserve. They had a meeting about it before the nomination to get their marching orders.
Hillary begged to be allowed to get the nomination but it was felt
Obama was a better servant.


Hillary & Obama In Secret Bilderberg Rendezvous


Theres some decent videos if you hunt around.

It is still to early to compare. Obama hasn't done nearly the damage that Bush did, but he only has been in office for a few months. I think it is unlikely he could manage to screw up as badly, but it certainly is a possibility.

Neither would be a good option, but if I had to make the choice, I'd choose against the dictator hugging, king-bowing, callow naive little boy we have in the White House now.

As a socialist, I took refuge in the fact that Bush's continued economic mismanagement would have eventually led to the collapse of capitalism and voted accordingly.

Tucker Case said:

I prefer vagina and voted accordingly.

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How... ? or how is this possible ?
If we are tlking of love.. , I'd go for that woman in Germany...Angela..

rathi said:

It is still to early to compare. Obama hasn't done nearly the damage that Bush did, but he only has been in office for a few months. I think it is unlikely he could manage to screw up as badly, but it certainly is a possibility.

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Ok... here's the deal : Take EVERYTHING and anything that Bush did.
Now, Obama stands for EVERYONE of those issues, and in terms of what he's doing he is either continuing or expanding it all.

Agnapostate said:

As a socialist, I took refuge in the fact that Bush's continued economic mismanagement would have eventually led to the collapse of capitalism and voted accordingly.

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Again, Obama is continuing the same management style. We are talking about the end of 'capitalsm'... what we're entering is alot closer to 'servitude'.

As much as I disliked Bush. Obama is a threat to this country. Whether he is really an born US Citizen or not his formative years were spent not here but in Kenya and his stay in the US was basicly amoung those that hate this country and what it stands for.

emdash said:

my friend, you are in for a rude awakening.

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Agreed. Obama right now is following in many of Bush's footsteps. Quite frankly, if you remove the names of his nominees, ignore the gitmo closing and put on a blindfold, you'd think Bush was back for his third term.

earthworm said:

How... ? or how is this possible ?
If we are tlking of love.. , I'd go for that woman in Germany...Angela..

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Bush is a slang term for Vagina. I was making a pun.

My honest answer to the poll would be "Neither" but that wasn't an option.

kaya'08 said:

When Obama was running for presidency, there was a huge hype about it all; paticularly about him, America's possible first black president. His ideas for peace, to move away from Bush's policies, and his distinctive political tone from the Bush Administration was appealing for everyone. But now, the more and more i search this forum, i cant help but notice ALOT of people are completely opposed to Obama's policies, and i see alot of people actually saying good things about Bush (yes, they manage to find good things to say). So i thought id make this poll just to see, how many people favour Bush over Obama, or Obama over Bush?

Remember, just because you may vote to favour Obama over Bush in this poll, it doesnt mean you agree with all his policies or any of them at all; but if you would rather he was in office than the other option.

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Relative to the comparison and I say relative because the comparison isn't really fair at this point (eight years vs. a few months), I don't favor one over the other. From rhetoric to the action that is there, I view them as equally destructive.

This seems more like a psychological excercise.
Do you like chocolate or vanilla?
Both are ice cream and hazardous to your well being in governmental amounts..

Shadow Serious said:

As much as I disliked Bush. Obama is a threat to this country. Whether he is really an born US Citizen or not his formative years were spent not here but in Kenya and his stay in the US was basicly amoung those that hate this country and what it stands for.

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Not long ago, Shadow Serious, I'd have said you were exaggerating a bit. No more: I believe he wants to destroy our country. Some might say he only wants to destroy us to make us BETTER - but I don't buy that.

He took an oath (badly flubbed, in a grotesque foreshadowing) to protect and defend the constitution, not to get into office and do whatever the hell he pleases, with Emanuel finding all the loopholes.

This is my second day of posting here, I never did find all of the rules (don't know what a "binky" is, or a 6a) and I may get kicked off for saying this, but I don't care: I believe this man is flat-out evil.

I must say that so far I like Obama more than I liked G.W. Bush, but as has been pointed out I really cannot make such a judgment until Obama has completed his time in office.

He does come across as being more intelligent and articulate, is certainly spending more time on the job and is getting things moving pretty quickly, and according to every account of him in the news as a diplomat he's quite the statesman.

But, we shall see where it will end.

Luckily for Obama, my biggest problem with him is his economic policy, and since we are in a recession my priorities are alot different then if the economy was good. I recognize that you need to spend alot and have a cyclically adjusted defecit. (which FDR didn't have, FDR had a surplus, which screwed our economy. he should of spent more and decreased taxes)

I saw what Bush would do when the economy was good, and that was increasing spending and decreasing taxes. Not a good tactic.

I think in the end, my impression of Obama will be based on if he has a defecit or not. Cause, I know he can't politically increase direct taxes on the middle class. So if he even keepts the debt to GDP level stable, then that would be great.

But I think most people can agree that Obama's foreign affairs are at least better then Bush.