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Drug Testing

Is drug testing a violation of the 4th Amendment?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • No

    Votes: 32 82.1%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • Total voters
    39
Slippery Slope said:
No, we need a sane drug policy.
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The assumption is that our drug policy is insane. And when declaring insanity, one must first have an example of 'sanity.' Not just a hypothetical, but an example.

Can you give me an EXAMPLE of a country in the world that has a 'sane' drug policy? By sane I don't mean perfect, but one you find totally acceptable and would like to use as our mode of 'sanity?'

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Grateful Heart said:
The assumption is that our drug policy is insane. And when declaring insanity, one must first have an example of 'sanity.' Not just a hypothetical, but an example.
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So our drug policy is sane in your eyes. What is the most commonly thrown around definition of insanity?

Can you give me an EXAMPLE of a country in the world that has a 'sane' drug policy? By sane I don't mean perfect, but one you find totally acceptable and would like to use as our mode of 'sanity?'
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So you don't think there is any sane drug policy in the world and yet you deny the insanity of our drug policy. You're either being contrary and obtuse for no apparent reason or you don't realize the contradictory nature of your 2 paragraphs. Which is it? :confused:
 
Slippery Slope said:
So our drug policy is sane in your eyes. What is the most commonly thrown around definition of insanity?
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I didn't say it was sane. I simply pointed out that if our policy is 'insane' the very obvious conclusion is that there is some 'sane' policy. I never admitted to knowing what that looks like... which is why I asked for an example of a 'sane' drug policy that is in place, anywhere, that has been demonstrated to be 'sane.'

So you don't think there is any sane drug policy in the world and yet you deny the insanity of our drug policy. You're either being contrary and obtuse for no apparent reason or you don't realize the contradictory nature of your 2 paragraphs. Which is it? :confused:
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I asked you to provide me an example of a 'sane' drug policy. That's a pretty straightforward question. And it's completely consistent with my reasoning that if our policy is 'insane', then there must be a 'sane' policy to compare it to. There's nothing contradictory or obtuse about any of that.

If you can't find a 'sane' policy, then my next question would be... 'Why not?'

Can you show me a 'sane' policy?

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Slippery Slope said:
He's going to if the hospital won't remove the error from his record.
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I'd do it anyhow, the hospital is guilty of fraud even if they do fix it. Who knows how many other people they've done this to.
 
Cephus said:
I'd do it anyhow, the hospital is guilty of fraud even if they do fix it. Who knows how many other people they've done this to.
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Won't it be his word against the nurse's and, if he still looks like a drug user, the judge and/or jury will probably believe the nurse?


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Grateful Heart said:
I didn't say it was sane. I simply pointed out that if our policy is 'insane' the very obvious conclusion is that there is some 'sane' policy. I never admitted to knowing what that looks like... which is why I asked for an example of a 'sane' drug policy that is in place, anywhere, that has been demonstrated to be 'sane.'

I asked you to provide me an example of a 'sane' drug policy. That's a pretty straightforward question. And it's completely consistent with my reasoning that if our policy is 'insane', then there must be a 'sane' policy to compare it to. There's nothing contradictory or obtuse about any of that.

If you can't find a 'sane' policy, then my next question would be... 'Why not?'

Can you show me a 'sane' policy?

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I don't know of any "sane" drug policy. That doesn't mean there isn't or can't be one. How about this... the government and other busy-bodies should leave the private lives of adults alone. Sounds pretty sane to me. Amsterdam is fairly close but not quite fully sane.
 
TOJ said:
Won't it be his word against the nurse's and, if he still looks like a drug user, the judge and/or jury will probably believe the nurse?
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Only if it's a rightwing activist judge. :rofl

Something like this would never make it to a jury.
 
Slippery Slope said:
Only if it's a rightwing activist judge. :rofl

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So what makes you think the dude that looks like a drug user will be believed over the nurse unless the judge is a loonie leftie? :roll:

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Slippery Slope said:
I don't know of any "sane" drug policy. That doesn't mean there isn't or can't be one. How about this... the government and other busy-bodies should leave the private lives of adults alone. Sounds pretty sane to me. Amsterdam is fairly close but not quite fully sane.
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The Dutch policy might be more sane. It's certainly more tolerant of soft drugs than most other Euro nations. But it hardly saves their taxpayers any money:

Netherlands has a high anti-drug related public expenditure, the second highest drug related public expenditure per capita of all countries in EU (after Sweden). 75% is law enforcement expenditures including police, army, law courts, prisons, customs and finance guards. 25% is health and social care expenditures including treatment, harm reduction, health research and educational including prevention and social affairs interventions.
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[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands]Wikipedia[/ame]


I suppose we might also consider that the Dutch have a less violent society. I don't know whether that's due to their drug policy, their handgun policy, the level of poverty, or some other social or demographic factors.

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