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To buy or not to buy...

Question: Should I get this or my daughter's birthday?


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My daughter has a birtday coming up. Thinking of getting her this:

If she wants it and you have confidence in her and she is responsible enough AND she wants it in that HORRIBLE pink and white colour - no problem, knock yourself out.

Personally I truly hate the colour scheme.. Can't see anything to like in that combination that would appeal but then I'm not a girl (even if girls fit the stereotype and like all things pink)
 
That's your claim. Its for you to support.
Once you do that, I'll address it.
And then, you'll run away.

I'm not making an obscure claim, the history of the NRA and gun owners demonstrates complete disregard for any type of control over firearms, when logic would dictate gun owners would be the most responsible voices. You have already run away, and I don't expect an answer, only more ridicule.
 
I'm not making an obscure claim....
The you should have no problem backing it up.
Once you do that, I'll address it.
And then, you'll run away.
 
I'm not making an obscure claim, the history of the NRA and gun owners demonstrates complete disregard for any type of control over firearms, when logic would dictate gun owners would be the most responsible voices. You have already run away, and I don't expect an answer, only more ridicule.
you are only ridiculed when you post unsubstantiated ridiculous garbage :shrug:
 
Post 134, 125 that's as far back as I am willing to address this. How am I being "intellectually dishonest" Please explain 2nd request :2wave:

By saying that I am being hysterical when I am clearly not.

Should we spend the next several posts arguing about what hysterical means.

As you like to say, this isn't about the greatness that is independent_thinker2002.

It's okay to disagree without sorting to wild accusations about those who disagree with you and their mental state.




Got a little Captain in you? ;)


And yes we should allow hard liquor ads on tv, cigarettes to.

Legal products. Freedom is a bitch.

Yeah, I was wrong about the alcohol. My bad.

Can I sell you so Elmo receptacle covers? ;)






But football even with all the saftey equipment has twice the deaths as being shot for kids.


What is your hypocritical logic behind your position. Thanks.

Yes, but way more than twice the kids play football as opposed handle guns unsupervised. It's too bad we don't have data for both to compare deadly accidents per incident of playing football/handling a firearm.
 
Why don't you address the issue of gun owners demonstrating the least responsibility over the control of firearms?


Fact: At least 99.99996% of legally owned guns in America were not used to shoot anyone today for any reason. Sounds pretty responsible to me.

There are something over 200 million guns in the USA. There around 83 gun-related deaths a day nationwide in a country of 300 million people, counting everything: murder, self-defense, suicide, accident, police shootings.
(over half are suicides, btw, and less than 3% are accidental shootings.)

The are over 110 automobile related deaths every day in the US. Where are all the calls for banning automobiles? Why aren't people required to lock their deadly automobile in a thick plate-steel garage with a combination lock, with a child-proof ignition lock, and required to take out all the fuel overnite and store in seperately in a locked container? :mrgreen: (/irony)

What's the difference between cars and guns?

A car lets me travel easily. A gun helps me protect my life and liberty.
Gun ownership is a right specifically protected in the Constitution; car ownership isn't.
Why do anti-gunners think that 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech is an individual right, 1st Amendment Freedom of Religion is an individual right, but the 2nd Amendment isn't?

I dunno....let's ask the Founders what they thought:

the Founding Fathers said:
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344.

JAMES MADISON
"Americans [have] the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust their people with arms."

SAMUEL ADAMS
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms . . ."


"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..."
Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress

PATRICK HENRY
"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun."

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"


BTW, I'd buy her one of the new M4 pattern (flat top) AR's. An ACOG sight to go with it would be nice, though they are pricey. Don't go cheap on magazines either, crappy mags are the chief cause of malfunctions in AR's. :mrgreen:

G.
 
RE: OP -

I don't like that particular shade of pink, but otherwise it's quite cute.
I like it!
 
BTW, I'd buy her one of the new M4 pattern (flat top) AR's. An ACOG sight to go with it would be nice, though they are pricey. Don't go cheap on magazines either, crappy mags are the chief cause of malfunctions in AR's. :mrgreen:

G.




Why stick an acog on a Carbine? stick with the aimpoint compm3.


Don't buy wolf ammo either. ;)
 
By saying that I am being hysterical when I am clearly not.

Should we spend the next several posts arguing about what hysterical means.

As you like to say, this isn't about the greatness that is independent_thinker2002.

It's okay to disagree without sorting to wild accusations about those who disagree with you and their mental state.


meh, i found your argument hysterical. we can move on. (i did, its you talking about you, i am just answering. ;) )



Yeah, I was wrong about the alcohol. My bad.

Can I sell you so Elmo receptacle covers? ;)


Do you tanguray? ;)



Yes, but way more than twice the kids play football as opposed handle guns unsupervised. It's too bad we don't have data for both to compare deadly accidents per incident of playing football/handling a firearm.


When there are only 89 accidents a year due to firearms (some are suicides and abuse so not true accidents), stating that this is a huge issue, may be construed as.... hys..... wait for it..... terical. ;)
 
Give me an example how a gun has protected your liberty?

Our country was formed thanks to fellow citizens, and their use of guns. So i would say that has protected my liberty.
 
Our country was formed thanks to fellow citizens, and their use of guns. So i would say that has protected my liberty.

I'm not asking about the Revolutionary War, I'm asking how YOUR gun protects YOUR liberty?
 
Because when people like you send other peoples children to confiscate our guns we will have the means to defend ourselves....

That's a pretty unrealistic, paranoid, and silly excuse...is that all you got?
 
So you are not for the confiscation of my guns.

Please answer so I have you on record.,

Despite this ongoing accusation from the right, I doubt you could find a handful of people who advocate the confiscation of guns. It's an excuse used by fearmongers, not a reality.
 
Despite this ongoing accusation from the right, I doubt you could find a handful of people who advocate the confiscation of guns. It's an excuse used by fearmongers, not a reality.





Not an answer.


So you are not for the confiscation of my guns.

Please answer so I have you on record.,
 
Not an answer.


So you are not for the confiscation of my guns.

Please answer so I have you on record.,

Where have I ever expressed an opinion on firearms beyond calling for an acceptance of responsibility from the firearm community? In fact, show me anyone who has called for the confiscation of firearms?
 
Where have I ever expressed an opinion on firearms beyond calling for an acceptance of responsibility from the firearm community? In fact, show me anyone who has called for the confiscation of firearms?




Is that a "no"?



So you are not for the confiscation of my guns.

Please answer so I have you on record.,
 
having a gun protects my liberty by having a change against someone who wishes to steal my positions and / or life.

I would say my life is my greatest liberty.

Do i have to be murdered, before having a gun is warranted to protect my liberty? Because if so i can get you the names of 1000's of people who have been murdered by criminals.
 
Having a gun protects my liberty by having a change against someone who wishes to steal my positions and / or life.

I would say my life is my greatest liberty.
Really, this answer is SO obvious that it shouldn't ever have to be given.

But then, when dealing with people that reject reality and substitute their own...
 
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