Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
Voting is a fundamental right whenever an election is held in your region. Once an election occurs, the right to vote cannot be infringed for arbitrary reasons.

The state can decide not to hold a popular election for President, but once it is offered, infringement cannot occur except for under certain circumstances. Such as felony convictions, which can also limit the fundamental right to bear arms.

My point exactly.

The State can choose not to let you vote, and hold no election at all, therefore the right to vote is not fundimental, but civil.

emdash · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
I think menstruating women should stay home.

on election day, you mean?

Tucker Case · Mar 13, 2009

emdash said:
on election day, you mean?

Just in general.

Harry Guerrilla · Mar 13, 2009

emdash said:
I don't agree with jerry that anyone who wants bigger gov't shouldn't be voting, although I think they're wrong. banning people from the polls because they don't agree with jerry might be good for the country in the short run, but what about when jerry gets old and alzheimer's/dementia come into play?

Jerry has no more win?

Seriously, there should be a school for people to evaluate laws and leaders based on logic and they should be the voters.

Of course not everyone would follow the rational thinking plan but the general rule would apply.

emdash said:
I totally agree with that entire section. (plus when I was in school in the midwest they told me I was too stoic to drink pop, I had to drink soda. they never got my jokes either. it is comforting to think that imposed stoicism would keep them from voting while I would run free.)

In high school I had this problem.

The hierarchies don't play well with intellectuals and that is why I'm mostly against government schools.

The hierarchies created are detrimental to childhood development and self actualization.

Here nearly everyone calls a soda "coke". I've always said just soda, plus I like Pepsi better which is heresy to most here.

Tucker Case · Mar 13, 2009

Jerry said:
My point exactly.

The State can choose not to let you vote, and hold no election at all, therefore the right to vote is not fundimental, but civil.

The right to vote in an election is a fundamental right.

The right to have an election is a civil right.

emdash · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
Just in general.

oh, only general elections?

Tucker Case · Mar 13, 2009

emdash said:
oh, only general elections?

Nothing to do with elections at all. She could use an absentee ballot or something.

emdash · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
Nothing to do with elections at all. She could use an absentee ballot or something.

if you could get employers to give paid vacation days, I think I speak for every woman when I say we would be more than happy to stay at home for a week every month.

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

emdash said:
I didn't cry sexism. I cried...egocentrism?

Either way it is an Ad-Homonym, a logical fallacy.

I'm speaking on the level of populations and public policy yet you insist on bringing the discussion down to the level of personal attacks.

emdash said:
regardless of sex, you only want smallest-government-possible proponents to vote because you think (or know) that small government is ideal. all of your criteria are centered around this.

That is what the founding fathers designed this government to be, yes.

emdash said:
it's cute that you would automatically assume I'm crying sexism because I'm female. I think you instinctively cry "feminine emotional lunacy" to the point that it's not completely rational.

Here again is another attempt to drag the discussion down to the level of personal attacks instead of populations and public policy.

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

emdash said:
I don't agree with jerry that anyone who wants bigger gov't shouldn't be voting, although I think they're wrong. banning people from the polls because they don't agree with jerry might be good for the country in the short run, but what about when jerry gets old and alzheimer's/dementia come into play?

I see your propensity to personalize everything :2wave:

Scarecrow Akhbar · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
The right to vote in an election is a fundamental right.

When did that happen?

emdash · Mar 13, 2009

Harry Guerrilla said:
Jerry has no more win?

Seriously, there should be a school for people to evaluate laws and leaders based on logic and they should be the voters.

Of course not everyone would follow the rational thinking plan but the general rule would apply.

that would work great until it was overrun by liberals and started turning out only democrats and socialists. call me cynical.

Harry Guerrilla said:
In high school I had this problem.

The hierarchies don't play well with intellectuals and that is why I'm mostly against government schools.

The hierarchies created are detrimental to childhood development and self actualization.

Here nearly everyone calls a soda "coke". I've always said just soda, plus I like Pepsi better which is heresy to most here.

why do you think government schools are detrimental to development? at what point do people need to accept the resources they are given and take responsibility for their own self actualization by using what is available to help them acquire what is unavailable? perhaps I am missing the point. I am, after all, a woman.

soda FTW!

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
The right to vote in an election is a fundamental right.

The right to have an election is a civil right.

The average citizen in fact has no right at all to vote in any Presidential election.

Only the Congress has the right to vote in a Presidential election. (Article 2, Section 1, paragraph 2)

So here we have an election and citizens with no right to vote in it.

emdash · Mar 13, 2009

Jerry said:
Either way it is an Ad-Homonym, a logical fallacy.

I'm speaking on the level of populations and public policy yet you insist on bringing the discussion down to the level of personal attacks.

my goodness, I'm not attacking you. I'm merely pointing out that you want to keep anyone who disagrees with you from voting. even if you are right about everything, you're still impeding the democratic process. (republican, then!)

Jerry said:
That is what the founding fathers designed this government to be, yes.

there was considerable dissension. debate is important.

Jerry said:
Here again is another attempt to drag the discussion down to the level of personal attacks instead of populations and public policy.

quoting you accusing me of feminine emotional lunacy? right.

emdash · Mar 13, 2009

Jerry said:
I see your propensity to personalize everything :2wave:

too bad you can't see my propensity to make jokes :2wave:

were you able to get past my vicious ad hom and see my point?

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

emdash said:
why do you think government schools are detrimental to development? at what point do people need to accept the resources they are given and take responsibility for their own self actualization by using what is available to help them acquire what is unavailable? perhaps I am missing the point. I am, after all, a woman.

soda FTW!

Ret Pally FTW :2wave:

Tucker Case · Mar 13, 2009

Jerry said:
The average citizen in fact has no right at all to vote in any Presidential election.

Only the Congress has the right to vote in a Presidential election. (Article 2, Section 1, paragraph 2)

So here we have an election and citizens with no right to vote in it.

Which is why I included the term "whenever an election is held in your region" in my first post on the matter.

So here we have an example of me already addressing that.

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

emdash said:
too bad you can't see my propensity to make jokes :2wave:

I don't pick up on "jokes" when I'm trolling, especially in this text medium and especially without the use of emotes.

emdash said:
were you able to get past my vicious ad hom and see my point?

Your point was to make a personal attack.

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
Which is why I included the term "whenever an election is held in your region" in my first post on the matter.

So here we have an example of me already addressing that.

Oh my bad, you did say "whenever an election is held in your region" :doh

I didn't realize you lived overseas, I'm sorry :3oops:

emdash · Mar 13, 2009

Jerry said:
I don't pick up on "jokes" when I'm trolling, especially in this text medium and especially without the use of emotes.

emoticons are a crutch, jerry.

Jerry said:
Your point was to make a personal attack.

extreme sensitivity is a symptom of dementia. I worry for you, I really do.

Tucker Case · Mar 13, 2009

Jerry said:
Oh my bad, you did say "whenever an election is held in your region" :doh

I didn't realize you lived overseas, I'm sorry :3oops:

The election is held in your region where you are registered, regardless of where you live. Perhaps I should have clarified by changing "in your region" to "in the region where you are a registered voter".

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
The election is held in your region where you are registered, regardless of where you live. Perhaps I should have clarified by changing "in your region" to "in the region where you are a registered voter".

Then only registered voters in Washington DC can vote for president.

Well WTF? 99% of Congress are not registered Washington DC voters...so why do they get any say at all?

Tucker Case · Mar 13, 2009

Jerry said:
Then only registered voters in Washington DC can vote for president.

Well WTF? 99% of Congress are not registered Washington DC voters...so why do they get any say at all?

That's not a regional election.

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

emdash said:
my goodness, I'm not attacking you. I'm merely pointing out that you want to keep anyone who disagrees with you from voting.

Right...I only want people who agree with me to vote. Which is why I would support PC women to vote so long as they were married...because everyone on DP knows how much I support a woman's right to choose :doh

Married women would generally make PC arguments consistent with familial cohesion and protecting actual victims.

Unmarried women will typically make PC arguments favoring hyper-individualism and self-centeredness.

I can negotiate with the first, but the second is irrational.

Jerry · Mar 13, 2009

Tucker Case said:
That's not a regional election.

Then you have no point :2wave:

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