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Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax


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Prisoners should have the right to vote, otherwise they get no representation in government and their rights can be curtailed.

They are behind bars,loss of rights is part of their punishment.

Turning prisons into cesspools of violence and torment is not making any attempt at rehabilitation for the 1% of the population that are behind bars.
Turning inmates into a group of voters so politicians can toss their salad for votes is not the answer. Hire Joe Arpaio to run the prisons,that will make them not a cesspool of violence.
 
They are behind bars,loss of rights is part of their punishment.

I think it depends on the State, actually.

Turning inmates into a group of voters so politicians can toss their salad for votes is not the answer. Hire Joe Arpaio to run the prisons,that will make them not a cesspool of violence.

Don't know who that is.
 
Mentally disabled people can register to vote. They can vote just because they think one candidate is "nicer" than the other. No one needs to justify why they vote the way they do, everyone is entitled, EVERYONE.

That is exactly why they shouldn't vote.

All the things in life that mentality ill people are not allowed to do but some how its fine they make stupid decisions regarding other peoples lives.

In the past some countries who were reluctant to embrace democracy tried elections where voting was upper class men only, which meant about 20% of society was determining the fate of the rest. This meant that upper class policy got all the representation because the leaders chosen were the ones catering to them only.

To be honest with you it was working some what better with limited voting.

Consider this paper. It shows that after women retained universal suffrage in the U.S. that government spending sky rocketed.

Please ignore the people who are posting it, they are stupid.
The paper however is a valid empirical analysis.

http://www.christianparty.net/lottonsuffrage.pdf

It is not democracy unless everyone is represented. This includes prisoners, the disabled, people with no income, women, etc. There are no exceptions.

It is not supposed to be democracy. The failure of democracy has already been shown in ancient Rome.

Only letting those with income vote will create unbalanced policy at the top. It also precludes the fact that you don't need an income to contribute to society.

Be realistic.

If you are not earning anything how are you contributing?

Voting for stupid does not contribute.
 
Let me put on my phishing hat here.....

In order to vote you should have to meet all of the following:
  • Be a US citizen.
  • Served at least a 2-year tem of service in the US armed forces or civil equivalent with an honorable or medical discharge.
  • Possess on your person at the time of voting a valid US ID.
  • Have no due Child support.
  • If male you must be over the age of 18.
  • If female you must be married to one man and over the age of 18.
  • Not on any government assistances including but not limited to:
    [*]Food Stamps.
    [*]TANIF.
    [*]Section8.
    [*]Have received a Stanford Loan or Pell Grant within the last fiscal year.
    [*]Have received bailouts on a home mortgage, 9/11 funding, or on any government health insurance plan, or similar, within the last 7 fiscal years. .
    [*]Veteran's benefits and Social Security are exempt from this section.​
  • Must not be on unemployment unless disabled (proof required).
  • Must have a valid CCW (all states must be "shall issue" states in other legislation).
 
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They are behind bars,loss of rights is part of their punishment.


Turning inmates into a group of voters so politicians can toss their salad for votes is not the answer. Hire Joe Arpaio to run the prisons,that will make them not a cesspool of violence.
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NO James because that would eliminate all the people voting who worked all their lifes and payed taxes all their life.
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If female you must be married to one man and over the age of 18.

So you don't think lebsians, single women and polyandrous women should be able to vote? Thats a really odd choice. It seems weird to discriminate against lesbians but still allow gay men. Also you'd need to be at least 20 to have 2 years of military service. Also, the double standard is a little ridiculous.

Have received a Stanford Loan or Pell Grant within the last fiscal year.

So having higher education disqualifies you to vote? That seems a little strange.

Must have a valid CCW
It would be a little odd to watch a blind guy or a guy with parkinsons apply for a ccw permit. Second, you would probably get shot by a crazy guy who is fervent about open carry.
 
So you don't think lebsians, single women and polyandrous women should be able to vote?

That is correct.

Thats a really odd choice. It seems weird to discriminate against lesbians but still allow gay men.

Women who are not married to a man typically grow the government as a replacement for a husband.

Men, in contrast, single or married, do not try to use the government as a replacement for a wife.

Also you'd need to be at least 20 to have 2 years of military service.

Unless you drive buy an IED shortly after arriving in Iraq and suffer an injury which gets you a medical discharge.

Also, the double standard is a little ridiculous.

What double standard?

So having higher education disqualifies you to vote? That seems a little strange.

No.

Relying on the government to pay for your education disqualifies you to vote for the same economical reason a woman must be married to a man.

If you have your hand in the treshury then we don't want you to have any ability to vote yourself a rais.

It would be a little odd to watch a blind guy or a guy with parkinsons apply for a ccw permit. Second, you would probably get shot by a crazy guy who is fervent about open carry.

I didn't say they had to own a firearm. You have to have a CCW to carry a baton concealed, you know. Tazers and knifes larger than 3in also. I have no issue with either of these people carrying weapons if they can demonstrate to a licensed instructor that they can properly use them.

I'm sure there's room for appropriate medical exceptions to this rule, however.
 
Let me put on my phishing hat here.....

In order to vote you should have to meet all of the following:
  • Be a US citizen.
  • Served at least a 2-year tem of service in the US armed forces or civil equivalent with an honorable or medical discharge.
  • Possess on your person at the time of voting a valid US ID.
  • Have no due Child support.
  • If male you must be over the age of 18.
  • If female you must be married to one man and over the age of 18.
  • Not on any government assistances including but not limited to:
    [*]Food Stamps.
    [*]TANIF.
    [*]Section8.
    [*]Have received a Stanford Loan or Pell Grant within the last fiscal year.
    [*]Have received bailouts on a home mortgage, 9/11 funding, or on any government health insurance plan, or similar, within the last 7 fiscal years. .
    [*]Veteran's benefits and Social Security are exempt from this section.​
  • Must not be on unemployment unless disabled (proof required).
  • Must have a valid CCW (all states must be "shall issue" states in other legislation).

note to self: join the military, get married, get a ccw, stop being a total loser.
 
I think the best way to deal with these posts is to show their foolish hyperbole by posting some of my own



And when I was 20 I was knowledgeable enough that I wouldn't fall for that "trickle down economics" scam. Since most of those old folks suck it up like milk, I'd say you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you'd like to claim.

And I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Republican. Most of your generation cannot say that.

Yeah, the problems your generation caused. Idiotic, outrageous deficits.

Your generation mostly embraced greed; and we are now paying for it with economic collapse.

Since your generation is foolish enough to reject democracy, preferring to enlist in oligarchy, it is fortunate that my generation is rescuing us from the cliff you have attempted to throw us off of.

And my usual disclaimer. This post was made just to exemplify the foolish hyperbole, misrepresentation and extremism of the poster quoted.

Typical wealth envy response,

trickle down economics allows buisnesses to save money, and expand and hire more people.
Would you perfer "trickle up poverty"? Taking money from people who earned it to give to people who did not, is just wrong.

the economic collapse was caused by lenders giving out money to people who should not have goten loans. I beleve that was the left's fault. They were the ones that forced lenders to do that. Fanny and freddy were run by the left.

Just because you dont have what you want in life, does not give you the right to take it from me .. thats called stealing
 
Let me put on my phishing hat here.....

In order to vote you should have to meet all of the following:
  • Be a US citizen.
  • Served at least a 2-year tem of service in the US armed forces or civil equivalent with an honorable or medical discharge.-
  • Possess on your person at the time of voting a valid US ID.
  • Have no due Child support.
  • If male you must be over the age of 18.
  • If female you must be married to one man and over the age of 18. -
  • Not on any government assistances including but not limited to:
    [*]Food Stamps.
    [*]TANIF.
    [*]Section8.
    [*]Have received a Stanford Loan or Pell Grant within the last fiscal year.
    [*]Have received bailouts on a home mortgage, 9/11 funding, or on any government health insurance plan, or similar, within the last 7 fiscal years. .
    [*]Veteran's benefits and Social Security are exempt from this section.​
    [*]Must not be on unemployment unless disabled (proof required).
  • Must have a valid CCW (all states must be "shall issue" states in other legislation).

[*]Served at least a 2-year tem of service in the US armed forces or civil equivalent with an honorable or medical discharge.-

I dont agree, While i am pro military ad they get .. i think it is a choice should not be something somone is presured into. Unless of course there is a conflict and a draft is needed.

[*]Must not be on unemployment unless disabled (proof required).

I would add Or above retierment age

[*]If female you must be married to one man and over the age of 18. -

Dont agree with that

Why would you say that, any working woman has as much right to vote as any working man

[*]Not on any government assistances

I could not agree more.
 
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My post was an example of hyperbole...a tongue in cheek response to another poster's hyperbolic post.

There is one thing in your post to address, though.

trickle down economics allows buisnesses to save money, and expand and hire more people.
Would you perfer "trickle up poverty"? Taking money from people who earned it to give to people who did not, is just wrong.

Except "trickle down economics" NEVER works that way. It allows businesses to save money...which they do, place in their own pockets and do not hire more people or help out their own employees. This is why, when enacted, the rich got richer, and the middle class got nothing. Greed prevails.
 
I am sure you have never run a buisness, if you beleve that.

The one i work for is having tough times right now, if they got some tax brakes we would not have had to lay off 20 people.

wealth envy at its finest

Funny how the poor always hate buisness and want them taxed, but get mad when you lose "your" job. its not your job, it was never your job. You are paid to do a task, do it well and you will be to valuable to be fired.

When you tax the rich, you are taxing your buisness .. the buisness is not going to suffer from it .. they will just fire you to keep the budget the same.

There is no right to work. Perhaps there will be when the great one makes everyone join a union and makes firing people ilegal.

Aditudes like this keep the poor down. The dems dont help either.
 
I am sure you have never run a buisness, if you beleve that.

Actually, I have.

The one i work for is having tough times right now, if they got some tax brakes we would not have had to lay off 20 people.

Perhaps. Or perhaps they'd take a bigger profit for themselves, while figuring out how to manage with 20 less people.

wealth envy at its finest

Not in the least. The reality of greed.

Funny how the poor always hate buisness and want them taxed, but get mad when you lose "your" job. its not your job, it was never your job. You are paid to do a task, do it well and you will be to valuable to be fired.

When you tax the rich, you are taxing your buisness .. the buisness is not going to suffer from it .. they will just fire you to keep the budget the same.

Thank you. Your second paragraph above just proved my point. "The business is not going to suffer...they will just fire you to keep the budget the same [including their profit]". Trickle down economics trickling down to nowhere.

There is no right to work. Perhaps there will be when the great one makes everyone join a union and makes firing people ilegal.

Cool. Another poster who only know how to speak in hyperbole.

Aditudes like this keep the poor down. The dems dont help either.

No, attitudes like yours keep the poor down. And the repubs don't help either. Good. Now we've gotten the cursory partisan hackery out of the way, welcome to Debate Politics.
 
you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

The word is used in conjunction with the word "partisan".
 
Prisoners should have the right to vote, otherwise they get no representation in government and their rights can be curtailed. Turning prisons into cesspools of violence and torment is not making any attempt at rehabilitation for the 1% of the population that are behind bars.

Come on. Criminals are overrepresented in government. Law-abiding citizens are the ones who are underrepresented. :2razz:
 
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If the idiots are the majority, do you support them voting us into failure?

After all it's democracy. :roll:

no problem, as long as libertarians never become the majority, we won't have idiots in the majority...:2razz:
 
no problem, as long as libertarians never become the majority, we won't have idiots in the majority...:2razz:

that's it, I'm writing a limerick about you.
 
Typical wealth envy response,

trickle down economics allows buisnesses to save money, and expand and hire more people.
Would you perfer "trickle up poverty"? Taking money from people who earned it to give to people who did not, is just wrong.

the economic collapse was caused by lenders giving out money to people who should not have goten loans. I beleve that was the left's fault. They were the ones that forced lenders to do that. Fanny and freddy were run by the left.

Just because you dont have what you want in life, does not give you the right to take it from me .. thats called stealing

Well it's obvious someone has no idea what the word "disclaimer" means. :doh
 
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