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Do you agree with this quote?

Do you agree with the quote? (read intro)

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 85.2%

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other (even though selecting "other" makes no sense)

    Votes: 4 14.8%
  • Total voters
    27
Goobieman said:
THAT is not necessarily true. You dont need to have any degree of edusation at all to be able to do that. What you DO need is true open-mindedness, which doesn't need to be taught.
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Education can be defined in many ways. I'm not talking about degrees of education. I'm talking about a more general and much broader definition.

If someone is not open minded, they have not learned enough or do not know enough about the world to entertain thoughts. They cling only to what they have been told is right.

If someone is open minded, it is because of something. Something has caused this person to be open minded. We are not open minded by nature. As humans we learn about the world first and then make judgments about it and thus become open minded after seeing things. We cannot make these judgments just out of the blue, that is not possible.

Knowledge isnt the key; open-mindedness is, and there's no necessary relationship between the two.
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There is a link between the two. What I am trying to tell you is that open mindedness can be considered a "mark of education." However, I feel it is important to define education first, but it has many different definitions.

As you said, "What you DO need is true open-mindedness, which doesn't need to be taught." You are right about the fact that open mindedness doesn't need to be taught, but it must be learned. There is no other way to be open minded than to learn about things. No one is born with the idea "hey I was just born, I must be open minded," we learn in order to become open minded. In fact we learn about being open minded just to become open minded. So it all comes back to learning.

Going back to what I said earlier, I see the word educated in this situation as broad as "experienced or knowledgeable." You think educated can only mean "being taught by someone," but what I am saying is that educated can mean "a person learning about things themselves, without help from others." Every human must learn in order to progress.

Now, I know what you might be thinking, you might be thinking "but everyone must learn things about the world after birth, is that not open mindedness?" Yes, that is right in a sense, because I think the first thing we learn in our entire lives is "how to be open minded." Thus, it all starts with "education."

Yes, I am :mrgreen:
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Yes, I said you were right about commenting on my sig. And your comment influenced me to change it. My sig was actually a joke, but you made me realize that people still take it seriously. So I changed it.
 
Cilogy said:
Education can be defined in many ways. I'm not talking about degrees of education. I'm talking about a more general and much broader definition.

If someone is not open minded, they have not learned enough or do not know enough about the world to entertain thoughts. They cling only to what they have been told is right.If someone is open minded, it is because of something. Something has caused this person to be open minded. We are not open minded by nature. As humans we learn about the world first and then make judgments about it and thus become open minded after seeing things. We cannot make these judgments just out of the blue, that is not possible.



There is a link between the two. What I am trying to tell you is that open mindedness can be considered a "mark of education." However, I feel it is important to define education first, but it has many different definitions.

As you said, "What you DO need is true open-mindedness, which doesn't need to be taught." You are right about the fact that open mindedness doesn't need to be taught, but it must be learned. There is no other way to be open minded than to learn about things. No one is born with the idea "hey I was just born, I must be open minded," we learn in order to become open minded. In fact we learn about being open minded just to become open minded. So it all comes back to learning.

Going back to what I said earlier, I see the word educated in this situation as broad as "experienced or knowledgeable." You think educated can only mean "being taught by someone," but what I am saying is that educated can mean "a person learning about things themselves, without help from others." Every human must learn in order to progress.

Now, I know what you might be thinking, you might be thinking "but everyone must learn things about the world after birth, is that not open mindedness?" Yes, that is right in a sense, because I think the first thing we learn in our entire lives is "how to be open minded." Thus, it all starts with "education."



Yes, I said you were right about commenting on my sig. And your comment influenced me to change it. My sig was actually a joke, but you made me realize that people still take it seriously. So I changed it.
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Your writing skills alone make me think that you don't understand education or intellect.
The issue, again, is not knowledge which comes from education, but the intellect to do something with it. Lots of people leave college after 4 years with the same prejudices that they entered with. They went in as bigots and came out as educated bigots.
Ignorance is simply lack of education, stupidity is knowing you are ignorant and not wanting to do something about it...
A true intellect makes the best use of knowledge....
 
I'd rephrase the statement and replace "educated" with "rational". Education only shows you've been presented with information, it doesn't mean you actually learned anything or put it into practice. There are lots of "educated" people who are some of the most irrational, illogical people around.
 
UtahBill said:
Your writing skills alone make me think that you don't understand education or intellect.
The issue, again, is not knowledge which comes from education, but the intellect to do something with it. Lots of people leave college after 4 years with the same prejudices that they entered with. They went in as bigots and came out as educated bigots.
Ignorance is simply lack of education, stupidity is knowing you are ignorant and not wanting to do something about it...
A true intellect makes the best use of knowledge....
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Ok, first of all, whoa. Why use ad hominem on me? I did nothing to you.

Second, why not criticize my arguments rather than my grammar?

Again, as I said, I do not misunderstand "education," I just said that it can be defined in many different ways when it comes to Aristotle's quote. In accordance with this quote, I defined educated as "knowledgeable," NOT a college degree.

If you wish to respond with argument against my points above, please do so, but if you want to attack me, send me a personal message, please don't place it on the thread here.
 
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bhkad said:
A friend suggested I was a conservative but I was unaware of it. I voted for Algore then began looking at the opposition to gwb and felt he didn't deserve the criticism. As time went on I saw the opposition to the president as distasteful and wrongheaded. I never looked back.
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So you don't think Bush did a horrible job while in office and made a fool of himself and our country? :confused:
 
Cilogy said:
Do you agree with the following quote by Aristotle?


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."


I put up an "Other" option, just so people don't whine, but I still don't see why it is needed sometimes.​


Surely.
I was once very much like Obama.
I expereinced the world and ended up embracing what I once did not believe.
My world view matured based on worldwide experience.
Obama's world view hasn't.

I do not believe he is open minded in the least.

Your sig:

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Conservatives are just people who cling to the "beliefs" that have been dictated to them as children.

Grow up.
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I wasn't taught to be a conservative.
I evolved into one.
Politics weren't discussed much, close to not at all at home.
My folks voted for the left; though they never let me know who they voted for as I was growing up.
The values they instilled in me were consistent with Conservatism.
They lived according to Conservative principles.

Damn I was blessed.
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I said "other" because I agree with part of it. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought, sure, but I think that this mind must be perfectly willing to accept it, even if in the end it does not (this may be what the quote implies, but I just don't like the wording).
 
Dav said:
I said "other" because I agree with part of it. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought, sure, but I think that this mind must be perfectly willing to accept it, even if in the end it does not (this may be what the quote implies, but I just don't like the wording).
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I think the point of the quote is to reflect upon it without accepting it. I think it makes perfect sense.
 
Other for me, of course.
The translation may not be correct...that so many place so much trust and faith in translated works (Koran, Bible, ect)...this is not good....
IMO, mature or educated have nothing to do with this..
And, the works of Aristotle should be studied and discussed...but better in the original Greek...
 
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