U.S. Capitalism or Socialism?

[Cilogy]

Which of these options would you classify as the tactics of the U.S. in terms of the market and government relationship?

I'm just curious to see what people think and see what some of our most partisan members think as well.

 

[Kandahar]

Nearly all countries are a mixture of capitalism and socialism.

 

[BulletWounD]

Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are owned by private persons, and operated for profit and where investments, distribution, income, production and pricing of goods and services are predominantly determined through the operation of a free mark

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Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.

It used to be that the US was considered a mixed-market system, whereby the means of production were privately owned but regulated. Then incorporated some elements of the socialist system by redistributing wealth, whether this constitutes socialism is debatable. Now that we're in the business of buying up failed businesses and controlling how they are run we have now fully incorporated socialism into our system. "Mixed socialism and capitalism" is the most accurate representation of this. We are now involved in the most wicked and least viable form of socialism: centralized state socialism.

It's interesting, however, to consider that Marx would consider the federal government a "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie" and thus little has changed. I'd imagine that in the mind of a socialist, this is not socialism as "the bourgeoisie" still control the means of production. Also, the degree in which we will all benefit from the state's ownership in these companies is negligible. Thus you could say that we combine the worst elements of capitalism with the worst elements of socialism.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Again, define socialism.

 

[BulletWounD]

Again, define socialism.

I already did.

 

[American]

Again, define socialism.

I suggest you and other liberals start a thread on this and study it amongst yourselves to find the answer. People are not interested in diversions created to subvert a topic, in order to teach fundamentals to the few.

 

[winston53660]

Again, define socialism.

Anything extremist conservatives disagree with.:mrgreen:

 

[BulletWounD]

Anything extremist conservatives disagree with.:mrgreen:

Troll. 0/10. Fail.

 

[winston53660]

Troll. 0/10. Fail.

The word "socialist" is been tossed around so much the word itself has lost all meaning in its connotation.

 

[American]

The word "socialist" is been tossed around so much the word itself has lost all meaning in its connotation.

Anything to **** up a thread, right? You people are freaking lazy.

Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[winston53660]

Anything to **** up a thread, right? You people are freaking lazy.

Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I said connotation:

In logic and semantics, connotation is more or less synonymous with intension. Connotation is often contrasted with denotation, which is more or less synonymous with extension. Alternatively, the connotation of the word may be thought of as the set of all its possible referents (as opposed to merely the actual ones). A word's denotation is the collection of things it refers to; its connotation is what it implied about the things it is used to refer to. The denotation of dog is (something like) four-legged canine carnivore. So saying "you are a dog" would imply that you were ugly or aggressive rather than stating that you were canine.

Connotation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BulletWounD]

I said connotation:

It could indeed be said that the word "socialism" carries a negative connotation but in lieu of the failure of states which have attempted to implement socialism in its most advanced form this connotation is well deserved.

 

[Goobieman]

It could indeed be said that the word "socialism" carries a negative connotation but in lieu of the failure of states which have attempted to implement socialism in its most advanced form this connotation is well deserved.

This is why socialists refuse to admit they are socialsts.

Thie prefer the term 'progressive', as taking exception to their ideology means you are against 'progress'.

 

[winston53660]

It could indeed be said that the word "socialism" carries a negative connotation but in lieu of the failure of states which have attempted to implement socialism in its most advanced form this connotation is well deserved.

I think the word has lost all meaning in its connotation. Now it is just a word extremist pundits like Coulter, Limbaugh like to toss around.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Again, define socialism.

A silly ignorant philosophy that says what a man earns belongs to someone else who refuses to work, and that someone else is perfectly justified in stealing it if he can convince enough of his fellow nothings to back him up.


The success of the United States can be attributed to it's Constitutional embrace of capitalism, the only economic policy based on the freedom of the individual, and it's long resistance to the illness of socialism.

Like all cancers, however, socialism has broken through, metastasized, and is now beginning to consume the body of the formerly great republic. Patients stricken with terminal socialism are not expected to live.

 

[Goobieman]

I think the word has lost all meaning in its connotation. Now it is just a word extremist pundits like Coulter, Limbaugh like to toss around.

Like.... Nazi. Right?

 

[winston53660]

Like.... Nazi. Right?

Uhmmmm NO


......

 

[Goobieman]

Uhmmmm NO

Of course not. Thats different.
:doh

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Like.... Nazi. Right?

Yeah, more or less.

Nazis were more honest.

 

[Goobieman]

Yeah, more or less.
Nazis were more honest.

With themselves, at the very least.

 

[BulletWounD]

Uhmmmm NO


......

Admit it. The left loves to throw around words like "nazi" and especially "fascist" and "neocon." These words have lost all meaning as well.

 

[Goobieman]

Admit it. The left loves to throw around words like "nazi" and especially "fascist" and "neocon." These words have lost all meaning as well.

If you're using his standard, then yes.
That he wont agree tells you all you need to know.

 

[winston53660]

Of course not. Thats different.
:doh

The left wing pundits equal to the likes of Coulter and Limbaugh do not have the exposure to alter the connotation of "Nazi" at this point in time.

 

[BulletWounD]

The left wing pundits equal to the likes of Coulter and Limbaugh do not have the exposure to alter the connotation of "Nazi" at this point in time.

Nobody's intentionally altered the connotation of the word "socialism." It's the direct result of the failure of socialism and a general opposition to the authoritarianism socialism practically necessitates.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

With themselves, at the very least.

With the world. Hitler told everyone what National Socialism was going to do in Mein Kampf, then he did it.

Regular socialism is less honest than national socialism. Probably because the regular socialists share the same goals, but realize that the majority of people don't really want to be their slaves, so the socialists lie a lot more to get what they want.

Socialists call their movement "progressive". Nothing progressive about slavery.

Socialists call federal spending "investment". Wrong. It's just wasted money, almost all of it.

Socialists insist that tax cuts be "paid for". Since when has letting people keep their own money required a payout?