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Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

Is Obama somewhat to blame for the earmarks in the $410 billion spending bill?

  • Yes (explain)

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • No (explain)

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Total voters
    6
Let's see what he does with FY2010. I bet he will sign that one and it will, like usual, be laden with pork.

Did Obama actually promise not to sign a spending bill with earmarks, or did he promise that he, as a Senator, would not requst any earmarks? There is a huge difference here.



Obama beats early retreat on promise to fight pork



i look foward to pages of you denying actual facts,.
 
Earmarks, to me, are mostly congress' fault.

I also think every time a congressman gets funding for an earmark, they should get a little tattoo of red X on their ear, like fighter pilots do when they shoot some one down. Then, when it comes to re-election, they can brag and show the world how awesome they are.
 
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oh boy here comes the little tantrum......
Why must you troll? When I posted this we were cross posting...me with this post you with your admission that you were wrong. Check the times before you go on the attack maybe?


the relationship is obvious. you would rather complain. ok whatever.
The relationship to what? The two bills? I'm not complaining, I'm clarifying for you as you obviously didn't even read the OP before launching into your assault. The OP was regarding the FY2009 Ominbus spending bill, you linked a video to the stimulus bill and went on the attack. You were corrected three or four times about this before you realized your mistake. Why are you backing up and going on the attack after already realizing you were caught?

Thus breaking his campaign promise. how do you feel about that?
He's a politician, I don't expect him not to break his campaign promises. If his lips are moving he's probably lying. "Read my ilps!" It's nothing new. Both he and McCain were selling us a bill of goods on earmarks. They are around one percent of the total budget....OOHHHHHH huge fight against wasteful spending there. I don't care about earmark reform because it's a political ruse to take the focus off our governments inefficiency and mismanagement of much larger spending issues.

Really, so he never campaigned on ending earmarks in bills as a canidate? are you sure about that? either you are dishonest or ignorant of your man Obama...

Which is is lerxst?
Well here you are being deliberately insulting to me. I think I clearly stated I did not know if he had ever promised to end earmarks, in fact your own article doesn't cite him "ending earmarks." It says he promised to reduce them to 1994 levels. I also found where he said he would not offer earmarks himself as a Senator and he would reduce earmarks. Now, can you show me where he promised to end ear marks? Please? It's your argument and you are beating me up over it. You can however continue to insult me all you like.

Wait so are you contradicting your last paragraph, did he promise to stop the earmarks or what?
No, stop and please read...really read....what I posted. I've asked for evidence that Obama said he would end all earmarks. Please show that first. So let me ask you something. You have said he promised to end earmarks, now you are saying he promised to take a scalpel to it. Which one is it? Or did he make both promises. The scalpel comment I remember, and it's inline with his promise to reduce earmarks to 1994 levels and fight pork (he obviously isn't doing that with this bill).

What happened to that "scapple" he promised. Didn't you watch the debates before intelligently voting? sounds like the answer to this is a "no"

See above.



"alleged" are you going to play the LERXST SHUFFLE® now and claim there is no evidence of his promises then deny all and every link proving it? :rofl

Well your own link in no way shows any promise by him to end earmarks. So rather than blatantly insult me, why don't you go find us some actual evidence of him promising to end all earmarks. Remember, this is your case, not mine. I pointed out that he promised not to offer earmarks as a Senator during his campaign. Which he kept. He promised to "reduce" earmarks to 1994 levels, which is included in the article you followed up with. He is probably going to fail this as well should he ever see the actual bill.

/sniff sniff
you after being challenged over your failure to read the OP carefully before attacking said:
My bad..... But still, its pork, it's spending, obama promised to cut wasteful spending and pork, and there is no indication he will veto this idiocy of a spending bill.
You can drop the insults anytime and focus on the issues. You have some substantiating to do. I'll wait.
 
Reverend Hellhound said:
Really, so he never campaigned on ending earmarks in bills as a canidate? are you sure about that? either you are dishonest or ignorant of your man Obama...

Which is is lerxst?

Obama beats early retreat on promise to fight pork



i look foward to pages of you denying actual facts,.

Is this to support your claim he would end earmarks? I've read the article. Since it was your evidence, I'll let you show me where you find his promise to end earmarks. I know he promised earmark reform, but find no evidence of ending earmarks. Are you sure you want to maintain this position Reverend Hellhound?
 
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Is this to support your claim he would end earmarks? I've read the article. Since it was your evidence, I'll let you show me where you find his promise to end earmarks. I know he promised earmark reform, but find no evidence of ending earmarks. Are you sure you want to maintain this position Reverend Hellhound?




And so it begins....


Here is another


"During the presidential campaign last fall, Mr. Obama pledged not to sign legislation laden with billions in earmarks. His Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, has steadfastly — and admirably — refused to ask for earmarked funds and remains the leading opponent of the wasteful practice."


Budget Pork Will Bedevil Obama -- Courant.com




Please by all means don't let facts get in the way of your partisan rhetoric., :2wave:
 
Why must you troll? When I posted this we were cross posting...me with this post you with your admission that you were wrong. Check the times before you go on the attack maybe?


/sniff sniff


Perhaps you should follow your own advice. I treat you as you treat me. the "/sniff sniff" is yours after all.


The relationship to what? The two bills? I'm not complaining, I'm clarifying for you as you obviously didn't even read the OP before launching into your assault. The OP was regarding the FY2009 Ominbus spending bill, you linked a video to the stimulus bill and went on the attack. You were corrected three or four times about this before you realized your mistake. Why are you backing up and going on the attack after already realizing you were caught?


I am at a loss as to what the hell you are talking about now. Obama promised no earmarks, while I linked him saying it about a different bill, it in no way diminishes the fact that he promise to cut this wasteful spending...


I can't make it any simpler for you, sorry.



He's a politician, I don't expect him not to break his campaign promises. If his lips are moving he's probably lying. "Read my ilps!" It's nothing new. Both he and McCain were selling us a bill of goods on earmarks. They are around one percent of the total budget....OOHHHHHH huge fight against wasteful spending there. I don't care about earmark reform because it's a political ruse to take the focus off our governments inefficiency and mismanagement of much larger spending issues.


Well it's called "integrity", both of these canidates lied. I find your "because everyone does it" as lacking in moral character.


Well here you are being deliberately insulting to me. I think I clearly stated I did not know if he had ever promised to end earmarks, in fact your own article doesn't cite him "ending earmarks." It says he promised to reduce them to 1994 levels. I also found where he said he would not offer earmarks himself as a Senator and he would reduce earmarks. Now, can you show me where he promised to end ear marks? Please? It's your argument and you are beating me up over it. You can however continue to insult me all you like.


You spend your forum life insulting me up here. I find your refusal to see facts rather humerous. Sorry you find that insulting.


No, stop and please read...really read....what I posted. I've asked for evidence that Obama said he would end all earmarks. Please show that first. So let me ask you something. You have said he promised to end earmarks, now you are saying he promised to take a scalpel to it. Which one is it? Or did he make both promises. The scalpel comment I remember, and it's inline with his promise to reduce earmarks to 1994 levels and fight pork (he obviously isn't doing that with this bill).



See above.


Oh boy, the semantics game... :roll:

He said both, see my new link, I have a bunch of them.... I am just letting you have the rope a little at a time. It was fun last time, so why the hell not right lerxst. :lol:



Well your own link in no way shows any promise by him to end earmarks. So rather than blatantly insult me, why don't you go find us some actual evidence of him promising to end all earmarks. Remember, this is your case, not mine. I pointed out that he promised not to offer earmarks as a Senator during his campaign. Which he kept. He promised to "reduce" earmarks to 1994 levels, which is included in the article you followed up with. He is probably going to fail this as well should he ever see the actual bill.



You can drop the insults anytime and focus on the issues. You have some substantiating to do. I'll wait.




Are you going to complain in each and every post you make to me? Please let me know, thanks! :2wave:
 
And so it begins....


Here is another


"During the presidential campaign last fall, Mr. Obama pledged not to sign legislation laden with billions in earmarks. His Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, has steadfastly — and admirably — refused to ask for earmarked funds and remains the leading opponent of the wasteful practice."


Budget Pork Will Bedevil Obama -- Courant.com




Please by all means don't let facts get in the way of your partisan rhetoric., :2wave:

Okay stop. You are doing it again. Let's take this a step at a time.

Reverend Hellhound said:
Really, so he never campaigned on ending earmarks in bills as a canidate? are you sure about that? either you are dishonest or ignorant of your man Obama...

Which is is lerxst?

Your position. Your words. You said he campaigned to end earmarks. My challenge to you...
Lerxst said:
Is this to support your claim he would end earmarks? I've read the article. Since it was your evidence, I'll let you show me where you find his promise to end earmarks. I know he promised earmark reform, but find no evidence of ending earmarks. Are you sure you want to maintain this position Reverend Hellhound?

You've not addressed that with this article. In fact nowhere in the article does it state anything about a campaign promise to end earmarks.

Now if you want to abandon your claim he promised to end earmarks, (which is advisable given he never did that and your "evidence" doesn't show that he did) that is fine. We can focus on the fact that he said he would go line item by line item to eliminate wasteful spending and reduce earmarks to 1994 levels if you want. Because we know he promised to do that and is certainly not keep his promise here.
 
Awesome Lerxst, you win the semantics game.... :sarcasticclap



Obama campaigned on ending earmarks, pork, and taking a scaple to the existing budget. He also campaigned on reeling in government spending. He has lied on all fronts here. This is my position. Are you stating with that silly 1994 crap that this is untrue?


yes or no.




YouTube - Barack Obama Stimulus Plan "Without Earmarks"



No earmarks?
 
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PolitiFact | Spending bill wasn't candidate Obama's "type," Boehner points out

""The president campaigned against this type of legislation.""

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Awesome Lerxst, you win the semantics game.... :sarcasticclap
Semantics? Is that what this is now? Semantics? :rofl You're excusing your argument as being lost on semantics?

"Obama is a Muslim."

"No he's not, he went to a Muslim school for a short time as a young boy."

"Okay, you win the semantics game! :sarcasticclap"

You got one part correct however.



Obama campaigned on ending earmarks,
No he did not, you need to prove this.

pork, and taking a scaple to the existing budget.
I saw you try to sneak that in there. The existing budget huh? He made a campaign promise to take a scalpel to the FY2009 budget that was developed by Congress under Bush? Or did he make a campaign promise to take a scalpel to spending bills and go line item by line item? The problem here is not that I disagree with him breaking his promise on this spending bill, the problem is you injecting your own little opinion about what he actually promised to do. You are inserting words into his mouth in order to guide the argument your way.

He also campaigned on reeling in government spending. He has lied on all fronts here. This is my position. Are you stating with that silly 1994 crap that this is untrue?
He absolutely did campaign on reeling in government spending, and he is not doing that. Your position that he has campaigned to end earmarks is wrong. You can't support it. And that silly 1994 crap is what is known as a fact and it's in one of the articles you cited as evidence supporting your case. Did you read your own article there Reverend? You might wanna go back and check it out real fast.

yes or no

You don't get the luxury of framing the argument to suit your losing position here. Sorry. Not when you consistently duck and dodge your own mistakes.
 
Why do you keep spamming videos of the stimulus package earmark issue? We've already addressed this issue and I've stated I'm in agreement that it had earmarks.

Are you trying to substantiate this as his campaign to "end earmarks?" Seriously?
 
Semantics? Is that what this is now? Semantics? :rofl You're excusing your argument as being lost on semantics?

"Obama is a Muslim."

"No he's not, he went to a Muslim school for a short time as a young boy."

"Okay, you win the semantics game! :sarcasticclap"

You got one part correct however.


Yeah that's the same thing.... Do you consider your thoughts before you post?



No he did not, you need to prove this.


I keep providing him in his own words. you want to once again re-frame the argument and narrow it so you can think you win.


It is highly entertaining to watch you shuffle.


I saw you try to sneak that in there. The existing budget huh? He made a campaign promise to take a scalpel to the FY2009 budget that was developed by Congress under Bush? Or did he make a campaign promise to take a scalpel to spending bills and go line item by line item? The problem here is not that I disagree with him breaking his promise on this spending bill, the problem is you injecting your own little opinion about what he actually promised to do. You are inserting words into his mouth in order to guide the argument your way.



I am posting him in his own words, you again want to make highly specific arguments on positions that are not quite what I said.


it is fail, and it is usual.



He absolutely did campaign on reeling in government spending, and he is not doing that. Your position that he has campaigned to end earmarks is wrong. You can't support it. And that silly 1994 crap is what is known as a fact and it's in one of the articles you cited as evidence supporting your case. Did you read your own article there Reverend? You might wanna go back and check it out real fast.


Yawn...... so you agree with me but want to argue semantics. Noted.



You don't get the luxury of framing the argument to suit your losing position here. Sorry. Not when you consistently duck and dodge your own mistakes.


:lol: at your blindness to your own behavior. Your limbaugh thread that I ended is check and mate to your unwillingness to admit you were wrong....


This one is shaping up to be the next one....



I will repeat:


PolitiFact | Spending bill wasn't candidate Obama's "type," Boehner points out

""The president campaigned against this type of legislation.""

tom-true.gif





istockphoto_5838804_shooting_fish_in_a_barrel.jpg
 
Why do you keep spamming videos of the stimulus package earmark issue? We've already addressed this issue and I've stated I'm in agreement that it had earmarks.

Are you trying to substantiate this as his campaign to "end earmarks?" Seriously?




goofy semantics... oh fun......


Please read my posts and address my actual points.... Note "end earmarks" and note his stating "no earmarks" in my videos that you cackle and cry as "spam".... then get back to me.
 
Clearly you have no desire to honestly debate. You've been caught flat footed and as typical, you've engage in moving the goal posts and side stepping. That's fine.
 
Clearly you have no desire to honestly debate. You've been caught flat footed and as typical, you've engage in moving the goal posts and side stepping. That's fine.



/sniff sniff



I post facts, you try to pigeon hole me in a failing semantics game.... the only dishonesty here is yours as usual.
 
goofy semantics... oh fun......


Please read my posts and address my actual points.... Note "end earmarks" and note his stating "no earmarks" in my videos that you cackle and cry as "spam".... then get back to me.

Obama campaigned on ending earmarks,
Really, so he never campaigned on ending earmarks in bills as a canidate?
What about his campaign promise to end earmarks and pork spending?

There are three of your actual points I've been addressing. I've asked you to substantiate it. You have not.
 
There are three of your actual points I've been addressing. I've asked you to substantiate it. You have not.




Semantics, fun....


Where did I say "End all earmarks"


The failure once again is yours.
 
Obama: But the fact is that eliminating earmarks alone is not a recipe for how we're going to get the middle class back on track.


Project Vote Smart - President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. - The First Presidential Debate - Transcript


1st Presidential debate

And yet again here we are with you posting links yet failing to actually dig out the evidence you think supports your case. Can you show me anywhere in here where Obama talks about actually ending earmarks? The sentence you have cited is in response to McCain's stance on earmarks.
OBAMA: Well, Senator McCain is absolutely right that the earmarks process has been abused, which is why I suspended any requests for my home state, whether it was for senior centers or what have you, until we cleaned it up.

And he's also right that oftentimes lobbyists and special interests are the ones that are introducing these kinds of requests, although that wasn't the case with me.

But let's be clear: Earmarks account for $18 billion in last year's budget. Senator McCain is proposing -- and this is a fundamental difference between us -- $300 billion in tax cuts to some of the wealthiest corporations and individuals in the country, $300 billion.

Now, $18 billion is important; $300 billion is really important. And in his tax plan, you would have CEOs of Fortune 500 companies getting an average of $700,000 in reduced taxes, while leaving 100 million Americans out.

So my attitude is, we've got to grow the economy from the bottom up. What I've called for is a tax cut for 95 percent of working families, 95 percent.

And that means that the ordinary American out there who's collecting a paycheck every day, they've got a little extra money to be able to buy a computer for their kid, to fill up on this gas that is killing them.

And over time, that, I think, is going to be a better recipe for economic growth than the -- the policies of President Bush that John McCain wants to -- wants to follow.

LEHRER: Senator McCain?

MCCAIN: Well, again, I don't mean to go back and forth, but he...

(CROSSTALK)

LEHRER: No, that's fine.

MCCAIN: Senator Obama suspended those requests for pork-barrel projects after he was running for president of the United States. He didn't happen to see that light during the first three years as a member of the United States Senate, $932 million in requests.

Maybe to Senator Obama it's not a lot of money. But the point is that -- you see, I hear this all the time. "It's only $18 billion." Do you know that it's tripled in the last five years? Do you know that it's gone completely out of control to the point where it corrupts people? It corrupts people.

That's why we have, as I said, people under federal indictment and charges. It's a system that's got to be cleaned up.

I have fought against it my career. I have fought against it. I was called the sheriff, by the -- one of the senior members of the Appropriations Committee. I didn't win Miss Congeniality in the United States Senate.

Now, Senator Obama didn't mention that, along with his tax cuts, he is also proposing some $800 billion in new spending on new programs.

Now, that's a fundamental difference between myself and Senator Obama. I want to cut spending. I want to keep taxes low. The worst thing we could do in this economic climate is to raise people's taxes.

OBAMA: I -- I don't know where John is getting his figures. Let's just be clear. What I do is I close corporate loopholes, stop providing tax cuts to corporations that are shipping jobs overseas so that we're giving tax breaks to companies that are investing here in the United States. I make sure that we have a health care system that allows for everyone to have basic coverage.

I think those are pretty important priorities. And I pay for every dime of it.

But let's go back to the original point. John, nobody is denying that $18 billion is important. And, absolutely, we need earmark reform. And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.

But the fact is that eliminating earmarks alone is not a recipe for how we're going to get the middle class back on track.

You cherry picked and did so blatantly. This is in no way a stance on ending earmarks. Again, I admonish you to actually read the citations you make. This in no way supports your case.
 
Semantics, fun....


Where did I say "End all earmarks"


The failure once again is yours.

Where in that quote did I say "end all earmarks?" If I didn't say that, and then you attacked me for it, how is the failure mine?

Seriously, if you have no desire to actually debate intelligently, just leave the thread. I doubt the OP really has any desire to see this thing crapped up like this.
 
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