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Civil Unions

Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    Votes: 13 31.0%

  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    Votes: 10 23.8%

  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    Votes: 15 35.7%

  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • Total voters
    42
  • Poll closed .
Jerry said:
I did my best to explain, I don't know how to be clearer. I'm sorry :(
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I'm frantically PMing DGomez about it so hopefully that will help. but for now I still think catholics are irrelevant.
 
Jerry said:
when you are married in a Catholic Church, you agree to various conditions which are added to your municipal license; such as alimony.

One condition is the expectation to procreate
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if the expectation to procreate isn't in the marriage license, but in the catholic addition thereto, why does that help her argument rather than hinder it?
 
emdash said:
if the expectation to procreate isn't in the marriage license, but in the catholic addition thereto, why does that help her argument rather than hinder it?
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Because the presiding marriage official (the priest) has the right to refuse to sign the state issued license which would make it legal.
 
DGomez said:
Because the presiding marriage official (the priest) has the right to refuse to sign the state issued license which would make it legal.
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but you don't need a priest anyway. the church doesn't issue licenses, the state does. the church is entirely optional. why does the church even matter in this discussion?
 
Pooks will disagree but I think the term marriage should be used for both straight and gay couples who pledge their lives to each other, forsaking all others, til death do you part.
 
emdash said:
but you don't need a priest anyway. the church doesn't issue licenses, the state does. the church is entirely optional. why does the church even matter in this discussion?
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When you get married you have to have SOME sort of marriage official sign your marriage certificate.

Cephus said that he does not know of a single religion that would refuse to issue a marriage license based on breeding.

If your wish is to have a Catholic priest sign your marriage certificate and your marital goals do not fall in line with Catholic teaching, the priest may legally refuse to sign.

I never said that having the priest sign was mandatory. I just said that that was an example of a religion not issuing a marriage license based on breeding.
 
BetterHalf said:
Pooks will disagree but I think the term marriage should be used for both straight and gay couples who pledge their lives to each other, forsaking all others, til death do you part.
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great, but do you think both types of "marriage" should have equal standing under the law?
 
DGomez said:
When you get married you have to have SOME sort of marriage official sign your marriage certificate.
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he doesn't have to be religious

DGomez said:
Cephus said that he does not know of a single religion that would refuse to issue a marriage license based on breeding.
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he didn't say religion, did he?

DGomez said:
I never said that having the priest sign was mandatory. I just said that that was an example of a religion not issuing a marriage license based on breeding.
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religions don't issue them!
 
Bodhisattva said:
What is your REASONING regarding being in favor of discriminating against Homosexual Marriage?
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My REASONING is because it seems the Christian Church has an issue regarding the TERM "marriage." How am I discriminating when I want gay couples to enjoy the same rights as straight married couples?
Explain.
I am referring to the terms "marriage" and "civil union."
Now explain to me where I am discriminating, and BH, you're right and I do disagree -- about the TERMS used used to describe these unions.
 
DGomez said:
He said he couldn't think of a single example, or something along those lines. I gave an example.
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you did not give an example, because the church doesn't issue marriage licenses. the states do.
 
emdash said:
you did not give an example, because the church doesn't issue marriage licenses. the states do.
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I will have already said several times that the state issues the marriage license. But an "issued" license is useless unless you make it legal with the proper signatures.
 
Pookie said:
My REASONING is because it seems the Christian Church has an issue regarding the TERM "marriage."
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Who cares about what the Church has to say on this issue?
Their "opinion" is completely Irrelevant regarding legal matters...

Discrimination is against the law, yet our government fully endorses it.



How am I discriminating when I want gay couples to enjoy the same rights as straight married couples? Explain.
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If you want them to enjoy the same rights, then you want them to be able to get married and use the term married...



I am referring to the terms "marriage" and "civil union."
Now explain to me where I am discriminating, and BH, you're right and I do disagree -- about the TERMS used used to describe these unions.
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I assume that I am "BH"? I have no idea how you get that out of my name though... :2razz:

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DGomez said:
I will have already said several times that the state issues the marriage license. But an "issued" license is useless unless you make it legal with the proper signatures.
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right. but he definitely said "issued." not "signed." the state alone issues them to couples that fit the necessary criteria. even if they aren't signed yet by a priest or judge, they are not "useless" because they are in fact difficult to get, in that you have to apply, pay and qualify.

the state won't issue a marriage license to a couple that doesn't fit the criteria. the catholic church won't issue any marriage licenses at all, and does NOT have the capacity to issue one or refuse to issue one based on the ability to breed. that WAS the point you were attempting to answer, but your answer was not relevant.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I assume that I am "BH"? I have no idea how you get that out of my name though... :2razz:

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BH is "BetterHalf," Pookie's husband.
 
If one is looking closely for discrimination and is willing to see it in anything and everything, I would venture to say that that is an issue within the person.
Some people would be totally amazed at how little discrimination remains in today's world, but then the NAACP and the ACLU rears their heads and oh God, here we go all over again.
It's useless to see discrimination in a term when the rights are exactly the same. I thought it was all about rights. Now this. Geez.
Purrs,
Pookie
 
Thank you Emdash, she was referring to me and you're right.
Pooks you're wrong. There is an element of discrimination between the terms of civil union and marriage. Marriage should be the one and only term applied to a relationship like ours and you cannot refute that even if the partners are same-sex.
 
Oh POO, BH! If the term means the same as what we have, all the legal rights and everything, equal standing, everything, explain to me where this is discriminatory. You're picking at a stupid term. Let marriage belong to the church and civil union to those who choose it.
Purrs,
Pookie
 
Civil unions and marriage, how about this: n****** and African-Americans.
The term makes the difference, Pooks.
 
Pookie said:
If one is looking closely for discrimination and is willing to see it in anything and everything, I would venture to say that that is an issue within the person.
Some people would be totally amazed at how little discrimination remains in today's world, but then the NAACP and the ACLU rears their heads and oh God, here we go all over again.
It's useless to see discrimination in a term when the rights are exactly the same. I thought it was all about rights. Now this. Geez.
Purrs,
Pookie
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I would venture to say that as well... are you implying that this is me or something?


I am not sure how to put this more bluntly...
If one group is not legally blocked from using the same term as another group...

THEY ARE NOT EQUAL.



If one is overlooking the facts and is unwilling to see it in things as they are,
I would venture to say that that is an issue within the person. :2wave:
 
That was one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard from you.
It's nothing like that and you know it.
Call it anything but let them have the same rights you and I have and let the Church have their terms too.
Purrs,
Pookie
 
WTF? Is this Pookie / BH thing a joke? Seriously... two accounts?
 
Bodhisattva said:
I would venture to say that as well... are you implying that this is me or something?


I am not sure how to put this more bluntly...
If one group is not legally blocked from using the same term as another group...

THEY ARE NOT EQUAL.



If one is overlooking the facts and is unwilling to see it in things as they are,
I would venture to say that that is an issue within the person. :2wave:
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Okay, so you're going to call a dinner between a bunch of friends "communion?"
I do not see an issue here as long as the rights are the same.
And BH is not you. It's BetterHalf, mmmkay?
Purrs,
Pookie
 
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