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How do you rate the Obama WH and Congress' performance thus far?

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I would like the pro-abortionists to address scientifically how it is not human life that is being killed in the process of Abortion.
 
P/N said:
I'm just curious as to where people stand now that Obama and Congress have passed the largest spending bill in history and the economy is falling deeper into recession/depression. With the stock market reaching it's lowest point in more than a decade (the Clinton years), and GM on the brink of implosion, are you happy with the performance of the Obama WH and Congress thus far?
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I voted for Obama and I am pleased with the general direction we are taking. I am not so impressed with the amounts of money being thrown around, but for the last three days the markets have been showing slight recovery and I am waiting to see how the G20 summit goes.

His only mistake so far, in my opinion, is signing the budget bill with all of the excess pork. Not bad so far though overall.
 
Invayne said:
Oh please. You mean to tell me that a 9 month old "fetus" isn't a baby until it comes out for air? Give me a break.:roll:
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......... well said .........
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I would like the pro-abortionists to address scientifically how it is not human life that is being killed in the process of Abortion.
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They can't... I grew tired of debating those that tried.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
human life is killed. You are doing exactly what you accuse others of.
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So you consider a single cell zygote to be a baby?

I take it you're for shutting down every fertility clinic as they have destroyed thousands of "babies" since the inception of invitro-fertilization?

Furthermore, I take it you're for shutting down every laboratory that works with human cells since they are "human life?"

You know adult stem cells die in experiments. Should we shut down those too since it's a risk to "human life?"
 
It is entirely to early to rate the Obama Administration.

Give the man some time!
 
I voted for another and I’m unimpressed but, I knew Obama was a facade since 2008 when he lied about his views and voted for the FISA bill.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I would like the pro-abortionists to address scientifically how it is not human life that is being killed in the process of Abortion.
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Sure, one can argue it is a human life at 6 week old. I just do not see it as trumping a women's right to her body.

When a foetus is viable outside of the womb is when it should be protected
 
Vader said:
It is entirely to early to rate the Obama Administration.

Give the man some time!
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Agreed, tho i doubt my vote matters.

I still like Obama
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I would like the pro-abortionists to address scientifically how it is not human life that is being killed in the process of Abortion.
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Why scientifically?

First Degree Murder Law & Legal Definition

Under federal law, the government must prove each of the following elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

* First, the defendant unlawfully killed [victim];
* Second, the defendant killed [victim] with malice aforethought;
* Third, the killing was premeditated; and
* Fourth, the killing occurred at [location stated in indictment].
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Sorry but abortion does not meet the legal standard for 'murder'. It does however meets the religious one. Which is the only one you're pushing for but irrelevant at the end of the day.
 
obvious Child said:
So you consider a single cell zygote to be a baby?

I take it you're for shutting down every fertility clinic as they have destroyed thousands of "babies" since the inception of invitro-fertilization?

Furthermore, I take it you're for shutting down every laboratory that works with human cells since they are "human life?"

You know adult stem cells die in experiments. Should we shut down those too since it's a risk to "human life?"
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Please dispense with your usual extremist logic and try for once to address my actual point.
 
Hatuey said:
Why scientifically?

First Degree Murder Law & Legal Definition



Sorry but abortion does not meet the legal standard for 'murder'. It does however meets the religious one. Which is the only one you're pushing for but irrelevant at the end of the day.
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Only the most ignorant and obtuse claim that my reasoning for being pro-life are a religious one.

Care to point out once where I brought "religion" into the argument?


Oh wait, you like your strawmen..... :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Only the most ignorant and obtuse claim that my reasoning for being pro-life are a religious one.


Care to point out once where I brought "religion" into the argument?
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Right Reverend.

Morality is a religious invention. So yes. Your reasons for opposition to abortion are rooted in your religious beliefs. Not scientific ones. Otherwise you'd have already agreed that a bunch of cells are NOT a human being regardless of how much you want it to be. My reasons for support of choice is logic. The mere fact that you refer to abortion as 'murder' and 'killing' and are indifferent to the actual definitions of these words is proof enough.

Oh wait, you like your strawmen..... :lol:
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Seems like you're in denial. I hear Amazon is having a great sale on books to fix that.
 
Hatuey said:
Right Reverend.
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Prejudiced bigotry noted

Morality is a religious invention. So yes. Your reasons for opposition to abortion are rooted in your religious beliefs. Not scientific ones. Otherwise you'd have already agreed that a bunch of cells are NOT a human being regardless of how much you want it to be. My reasons for support of choice is logic. The mere fact that you refer to abortion as 'murder' and 'killing' and are indifferent to the actual definitions of these words is proof enough.
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Please explain to me how abortion is not killing human life, scientifically.

What "religion" do you think I am btw? What are my beliefs? I would hate for you to look foolish as you usually do by assuming things about people in such a bigoted way.....

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Seems like you're in denial. I hear Amazon is having a great sale on books to fix that.
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Right, tell me what religious conviction of mine specifically made me come to my view on abortion.

While you are at it. Provide scientific evidence for your position. as usual you FAIL
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
He's re-authorized the murder of babies for medical research.
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Please quote or link me to the law that now allows babies to be murdered for medical research. I'm sure it'll be useful the next time I'm flying and some annoying one is in front of me wailing and I can just come up with some kind of "research" to do on it.

Please, lets see the law allowing BABIES to be unlawfully killed.
 
I pretty much had a negative view of Obama during the election season and my views pretty much changed. For Christ sake the man can't even get a simple cabinet together and we are rolling into the third month of his presidency.
 
It is horrible that terrible damage done to the united states by Bush and Cheney, can't be overcome over night.

Bush F__Ked things up so badLY that some thing may never be corrected.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Prejudiced bigotry noted
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You mean you're not a Reverend and thus a religious man?

Please explain to me how abortion is not killing human life, scientifically.
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Appeal to emotion disregarded. I already explained to you why you don't need to explain why abortion is not killing human life. One. For it to be killing or murder it would have to actually fit the definition of murder as described by secular law not whatever definition you want to apply to it.

What "religion" do you think I am btw?

What are my beliefs? I would hate for you to look foolish as you usually do by assuming things about people in such a bigoted way.....
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/26524-there-god-36.html#post1057526937

Somebody said:
Is there a god?
Gods?
spiritual being?
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You said:
Of course there is.

Though is there some long bearded being hurling lightning bolts to smite the unbelievers? nope....

One just has to expand there notion of "god"....
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Now. Are we going to play all day and act like you're not arguing against abortion from a religious perspective? Or are you going to pretend that you only pick and choose which ridiculously essential Christian beliefs you hold on to?

Right, tell me what religious conviction of mine specifically made me come to my view on abortion.
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Your silly belief that a bunch of cells is the same as a human being. Not only that but your use of clearly vague wording. But let me guess. You only believe that embryos are human life. Not sperm cells, blood cells etc. I'd even venture to guess that if I used these examples of human life(whatever that means) that you'd cry about extremist logic even though you yourself have failed to defined the parameters of wording like 'human life'.

While you are at it. Provide scientific evidence for your position. as usual you FAIL
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Is this a human being?

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No? Then it is not murder. Thanks for playing! Seriously though. Start seeing somebody for those fail seizures.
 
Hatuey said:
You mean you're not a Reverend and thus a religious man?
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I am a Reverend, yup. and no I won't elaborate because my beliefs have nothing to do with my anti-abortion views.

what the hell does your question even mean anyway?


Appeal to emotion disregarded. I already explained to you why you don't need to explain why abortion is not killing human life. One. For it to be killing or murder it would have to actually fit the definition of murder as described by secular law not whatever definition you want to apply to it.
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please to not avoid the question. by not answering it, you show that you know something is wrong here.

Tell me, scientifically, how aborting a baby is not taking a human life.

How many requests is this?


Now. Are we going to play all day and act like you're not arguing against abortion from a religious perspective? Or are you going to pretend that you only pick and choose which ridiculously essential Christian beliefs you hold on to?
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Did you even read what I quoted? You FAIL at debating. you read what I say, make up what you wish i said, and then you argued it. Not once did i say abortionists were going to a mythical hell for thier killing have I? please, stopp dumbing down the debate with moronic strawmen.




Your silly belief that a bunch of cells is the same as a human being. Not only that but your use of clearly vague wording. But let me guess. You only believe that embryos are human life. Not sperm cells, blood cells etc. I'd even venture to guess that if I used these examples of human life(whatever that means) that you'd cry about extremist logic even though you yourself have failed to defined the parameters of wording like 'human life'.
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lets start at 8 weeks. I have already "compromised" from a scientific standpoint of keeping abortion limited to 8 weeks in another thread. You keep cackling strawmen and red herrings, it is rather dumb.

Now please answer the question without your sillly distractions.

Is this a human being?

[IMGz]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Embryo,_8_cells.jpg[/IMG]
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is that a fertilized egg? then sure is. Though it's ok hatuey, i'll still support your right to kill the human life all the way up to 8 weeks.


at 8 weeks, it become a fetus. at that point, i do not support abortion.


note the lack of a jesus or a god in my argument. have any other strawmen or red herrings?




No? Then it is not murder. Thanks for playing! Seriously though. Start seeing somebody for those fail seizures.
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you have so much fail though. i mean come on. whats the next strawman going to be? :rofl
 
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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und
I would like the pro-abortionists to address scientifically how it is not human life that is being killed in the process of Abortion.
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Hatuey said:
Why scientifically?
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Why scientifically? Are you serious? The answer is obvious, isn't it? *looks around*

If it is a human life, or human being... then it is murder:

murder   /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mur-der] Show IPA
–noun 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).



Sorry but abortion does not meet the legal standard for 'murder'. It does however meets the religious one. Which is the only one you're pushing for but irrelevant at the end of the day.
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It certainly does, that is, unless you can prove scientifically that a baby inside the womb one day before it is born is not a human being, but the next day after its birth it is suddenly a human being. That is why it needs to be scientific. What is the differentiation from one day to the next that disallows the baby from being considered a human being? How about a premature baby? Is it a human being after being born after 7 months but my baby in the womb is not a human being, and thus able to be aborted at 8.5 months? That isn't even logical... unless you can back it up SCIENTIFICALLY.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why scientifically? Are you serious? The answer is obvious, isn't it? *looks around*

If it is a human life, or human being... then it is murder:

murder   /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mur-der] Show IPA
–noun 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).





It certainly does, that is, unless you can prove scientifically that a baby inside the womb one day before it is born is not a human being, but the next day after its birth it is suddenly a human being. That is why it needs to be scientific. What is the differentiation from one day to the next that disallows the baby from being considered a human being? How about a premature baby? Is it a human being after being born after 7 months but my baby in the womb is not a human being, and thus able to be aborted at 8.5 months? That isn't even logical... unless you can back it up SCIENTIFICALLY.
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You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. You are starting from a premise that not all of us agree on: Your belief that ending the life of anything that is "scientifically human" is inherently wrong, and tantamount to murder. But that is not a scientific question, that is a moral question.

I often pose this question to anti-abortion people: Why is murder illegal? (That's not meant to be rhetorical.)
 
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Kandahar said:
You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. You are starting from a premise that not all of us agree on: Your belief that ending the life of anything that is "scientifically human" is inherently wrong, and tantamount to murder. But that is not a scientific question, that is a moral question.

I often pose this question to anti-abortion people: Why is murder illegal? (That's not meant to be rhetorical.)
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No, I actually am not. I believe that suicide should be legal. I wholeheartedly support the Death Penalty too.

When it comes to an innocent little life with no ability to communicate though, I certainly do think that, at a certain point in the development of the baby, it is murder. That being said though, if at 9 months, the mother might die as a result of delivery (just an example) then I think that aborting would be valid and not murder. Conflicting? Seemingly, perhaps... but not illogical.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No, I actually am not. I believe that suicide should be legal. I wholeheartedly support the Death Penalty too.

When it comes to an innocent little life with no ability to communicate though, I certainly do think that, at a certain point in the development of the baby, it is murder. That being said though, if at 9 months, the mother might die as a result of delivery (just an example) then I think that aborting would be valid and not murder. Conflicting? Seemingly, perhaps... but not illogical.
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Then whether or not a fetus is "scientifically human" is a moot point, as you have already stated that not everything that is "scientifically human" has an inherent right to life.

While I disagree with you on the death penalty AND abortion, and am unsure about suicide, I'm not going to call your morals illogical or inconsistent...since it's all one big gray area. I can offer a number of reasons why I think legalized abortion is a good thing and having the death penalty is a bad thing, but they're sociological reasons rather than moral/ethical reasons.

I'm just pointing out that this is not something that science can ever "prove." Asking for scientific evidence that a fetus is or is not "scientifically human" is quite different than asking for evidence that abortion is or is not ethical.
 
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Interesting....at this point (70 people voted in the poll)...64.29% of the respondents are either not pleased or unimpressed by the current occupant of the Oval Office.
 
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