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Rate the administration

How do you rate the Obama WH and Congress' performance thus far?


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WWII was the biggest government spending program in the history of the world.

Right, and it can be argued that WWII was, to a degree, caused by the Great Depression. But without WWII, the Depression would have lingered on and on... In economic terms, WWII was a salvation for the economics of the world.



I agree (somewhat). Bailouts are never a long-term solution, but they can be effective in the short term. It would be a disaster if the entire banking industry went under, and no one did anything to stop it. After the economy recovers a little, if there are still individual banks that are too weak to make it on their own, I absolutely agree they should be allowed to go under

I don't think that we should just let industries completely collapse, and I should have stated that better. I agree, help where needed initially, in order to maintain the structure, then allow the markets/industries time to heal themselves. Weaker sections or companies can go under, etc, as long as the foundation of the market is secure.
 
WWII was the biggest government spending program in the history of the world.



I agree (somewhat). Bailouts are never a long-term solution, but they can be effective in the short term. It would be a disaster if the entire banking industry went under, and no one did anything to stop it. After the economy recovers a little, if there are still individual banks that are too weak to make it on their own, I absolutely agree they should be allowed to go under

I think the problem is the bank balance sheets where unrealistic are they attempting bring the economy back to "normal" or was its just the economy was unrealistic when its was "normal"
 
I think the problem is the bank balance sheets where unrealistic are they attempting bring the economy back to "normal" or was its just the economy was unrealistic when its was "normal"


The economy was unrealistic when it was normal. It was over inflated and fake.
People were buying million dollars homes that were worth 750, for example.

Things are worth what they are worth, when people spend more than something is worth for it, then that places an incorrect value on that item, making all future transactions incorrect too, until it crashes or can't sell, thus stranding the buyer.

Take comic books. They are worth a few bucks, but some sell for thousands of dollars. This is supply and demand, of course... but to a degree, the same thing happens on the housing market. Needs versus wants. Buyers create a frenzy out there, and the media buys it up, selling and reinforcing this false notion into the people. People pat each other on the back for doing so well, and it is illusionary.

The 90's, to me, were the 20's all over again. Buying on credit and speculation.

I ain't no rocket scientist, and I saw this coming for almost ten years.
 
Thats nice, but sometimes you have to spend more than you have or it will get much worse than it already is...

And yet I am not in debt...hmmm. Spending more than you have does nothing for your credibility and only puts you in debt.
 
I'm sorry but when Obama has authorized (even demanded) 787 billion dollars worth of money to spend on a plan that even according to him has a 30% chance of failure and yet Republicans didn't even spend 787 billion dollars on a 7 year war then are you sure that it's the republicans that can be considered "loose spenders"? And Obama has only been in office for 2 months.

At least he is spending the money at home. The Bush government wasted the same amounts abroad.
 
At least he is spending the money at home. The Bush government wasted the same amounts abroad.

You have heard that he wants to alot some money to over seas abortion clinics right?

Also I wouldn't say wasted. We have freed a nation from Sadaam and helped install a democracy. I'd say that's not wasted money.
 
You have heard that he wants to alot some money to over seas abortion clinics right?

Also I wouldn't say wasted. We have freed a nation from Sadaam and helped install a democracy. I'd say that's not wasted money.

:lol:

That country is now a bombed out trash-hole, democracy there will collapse as soon as you remove your hand from the throats of that country.

750 billion just to remove Saddam from power, now thats a waste of money.. That money could certainly have been pre-emptively spent at home to avoid the crisis rather than pre-emptively spent in Iraq out of fear that Iraq would attack and invade the US. :rofl
 
And yet I am not in debt...hmmm. Spending more than you have does nothing for your credibility and only puts you in debt.

Yes, and that is not the point. Sometimes people have to spend more than they have to prevent things from getting worse. If you would like to attempt to dispute this fact, please do... ;)
 
The stimulus bill was much smaller than it needed to be, and Geithner's plan for the banks (or lack thereof) has not particularly impressed me. But then, he's only been in office for a month. Hopefully we get another stimulus and a solid bank plan soon.

I'll wait until I see what Obama does about health care, and if there are any more stimulus bills coming, before I pass judgment.

Agreed that it needs to be bigger. We need big spending to create jobs. Huge public works projects to completely rebuild the infrastructure of this country and create decent paying jobs. Government spending is how we are going to get out this. Got us out of the great depression, it'll get us out of this.

One of my biggest disappointments was that the stimulus wasn't larger. I don't know that it could have passed if it was larger though.

I'm hoping that the administration has thought that through and always intended to do a follow-up....and will. I don't think it's appropriate to piece-meal the stimulus when we're in such bad shape.

Rating the administration on this one is tough just because of the amount of $$ it's going to take to get a solid footing in this economy.

Has it always been the plan of this administration to deliver the stimulus package in a few pieces (to gain passage) or did they just not realize it would take more money? I would hope it's the first.
 
And how do you do that without massive expenses or a depression?

Reorganizing a small corporation is quite difficult. Reorganizing and restructuring the basis of an entire industry is something entirely different.

I am not saying that there should not be spending... I think that the spending needs to be minimul and not enable corporate leaders a cushy way out.
 
Obama only has a few months to pass his agenda before his approval ratings fall and worried congress members start distancing themselves/turning their back from him. Because of this, I get the feeling he cares more about passing his agenda and reforms before then...than he does on fixing the economy.

I back this idea with a trend line for Obama's first 100 days based off of Rasmussen daily presidential approval rating.

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I voted for Obama... well, honestly I voted against McCain, and so far, the administration has been a mixed bag. The so-called stimulus is pathetic and the desire to keep failed companies afloat is only going to put off the inevitable as we're seeing with AIG. That part of the plan, I'm extremely unimpressed with.

Otherwise, ending the ban on stem cell research, at least pretending to be transparent, those are positive signs at least, we'll have to see how they play out. Anything Obama can do to dismantle the virtual theocracy we had under Bush is fine by me.

Like most administrations, it'll be a mixed bag, we'll have to wait to see how a lot of it works, nothing that they do is going to have instantaneous results, good or bad.
 
Otherwise, ending the ban on stem cell research, at least pretending to be transparent, those are positive signs at least, we'll have to see how they play out.

What's positive about dead babies?

The other nations didn't stop using their murdered babies in their fetal tissue researches. What wondrous successes have come from the Frankenstein labs of Europe and Asia?

Oh that's right. Nothing's come out....but dead babies.

Any of you people figure out yet that the government isn't supposed to be conducting research or financing it?

Let's see....Obie's been working on a solution to the banking problem since the day after he was elected. His grand answer is....he doesn't know. Nor do the "experts" he's hired to help him. Many of those "experts" seem to be having problems paying their taxes, too. Very impressive so far.

He's taken the time to get a porkulus giganticus bill passed and signed, a bill that's not going to do anything to change the course of the economy.

In that bill General Motors got a loan for huge sum...but weren't required to present anything resembling a business plan to the loan officer at the bank, which is what I always had to do when applying for a business loan. "Here, GM, have some money, come back when that runs out", was the instructions of the day.

He's re-authorized the murder of babies for medical research. I guess those Parkinson twitchy people will be glad, after all, the rest of the world has been murdering babies on an industrial scale to help them, clearly the eggheads in the US will make all the difference, right, and they'll soon stop a-twitchin'.

I was especially impressed with the unprecendented speed and agility he pursued a public spanking by Russia. Takes a real intellectual to do something as stupid as that. And what the heck, China's taken up mooning US naval vessels on the high seas, and Obama is getting ready to apologize for that, too.

And you people can say you are PLEASED with the RESULTS so far?

Name the successes and positive results. There ain't none.
 
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What's positive about dead babies?

Since when does stem cell research result in a dead baby? Stem cell research is performed on cells, not babies.


The other nations didn't stop using their murdered babies in their fetal tissue researches. What wondrous successes have come from the Frankenstein labs of Europe and Asia?

Oh that's right. Nothing's come out....but dead babies.

Again, babies are not being killed.


Let's see....Obie's been working on a solution to the banking problem since the day after he was elected. His grand answer is....he doesn't know. Nor do the "experts" he's hired to help him. Many of those "experts" seem to be having problems paying their taxes, too. Very impressive so far.

That makes no sense, it has definitely not been impressive.

Also, I don't think ANYONE has a good idea, I think we'd be lucky if we had one good idea.


He's taken the time to get a porkulus giganticus bill passed and signed, a bill that's not going to do anything to change the course of the economy.

You don't know that, as the bill has invested billions (I think, maybe millions) in research that could incite progress in energy and technology.

Anyway the point is we cannot know what this bill will do, good or bad.

He's re-authorized the murder of babies for medical research. I guess those Parkinson twitchy people will be glad, after all, the rest of the world has been murdering babies on an industrial scale to help them, clearly the eggheads in the US will make all the difference, right, and they'll soon stop a-twitchin'.

He is allowing people to murder infant children? :doh No. Wrong.

This medical research you speak of is done before birth, therefore babies are not being killed.


I was especially impressed with the unprecendented speed and agility he pursued a public spanking by Russia. Takes a real intellectual to do something as stupid as that. And what the heck, China's taken up mooning US naval vessels on the high seas, and Obama is getting ready to apologize for that, too.

And you people can say you are PLEASED with the RESULTS so far?

Yes I am. You cannot change that.

You seem to have come into this thing with a predetermination to dislike everything President Obama sets forth. This is wrong. You have to actually look over the cliff before you jump. But you seem to sprint and leap without caring what's down below.


Name the successes and positive results. There ain't none.

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

Plan for Closing Gitmo

Plan for removing troops from Iraq and refocusing on Afghanistan (what we should have been doing since 2002.

Obama's motion to lift the ban on stem cell research (its about freakin' time).

[Just to name a few]

Many of the positive results are on their way, they are being worked on. Patience is a virtue. Now I'm not saying we're gonna wait like 5 years for results to start, but it takes more time than 20 days my friend.
 
What's positive about dead babies?

What dead babies? There are no babies until they're born, before that they're fetuses, but you knew that, you're simply trying to cloud the issue with blatant hyper-emotionalism.

Typical. :roll:
 
other: "I voted for Obama and six weeks isn't a whole lot of time in which to make a definitive judgement"
 
What dead babies? There are no babies until they're born, before that they're fetuses, but you knew that, you're simply trying to cloud the issue with blatant hyper-emotionalism.

Typical. :roll:

Oh please. You mean to tell me that a 9 month old "fetus" isn't a baby until it comes out for air? Give me a break.:roll:
 
What dead babies? There are no babies until they're born, before that they're fetuses, but you knew that, you're simply trying to cloud the issue with blatant hyper-emotionalism.

Typical. :roll:



human life is killed. You are doing exactly what you accuse others of.
 
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