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Which industry is collapsing next..

Which industry is collapsing next?

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Maximus Zeebra

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Anyone who thinks the financial crisis is over is living in a dream land, its just begun, or at least its not over by far.. Which is the next industry that will be bankrupted and have to be completely bailed out across the world, and nationalized and so fourth..

(Thread was inspired by AIGs massive loss reported, last quarter and last year, record loss)...
 
The car industry(bleak numbers, unsold cars, lost demand)

Nah. People will still need to have cars...at least for a couple more decades. It's likely that GM and Chrysler will go bust, but the automobile industry as a whole will rebound somewhat.

The insurance industry(devestating potential losses)

Yes. The insurance industry seems primed for disaster.

Electronics(lost demand, potentially devestating upcoming numbers)
Luxury goods(the rich are loosing money the fastest)

Nah. These things will always be in demand. People have less discretionary income than before, but that's a temporary problem.

The airline industry(again)

The airline industry has already collapsed. For the past eight years, most of the airlines seem to be operating in a permanent state of bankruptcy.

IT and software

Not a chance.
 
I don't think the insurance industry is primed for collapse. Now depending on which part of the insurance industry, you would have an argument. With a President and Congress that is sympathetic to UHC, the health insurance industry should certainley be worried that they may get shutdown completely.

As for Property and Casualty insurance, right now it is shifting into what they call a hard market. People are really looking to cut costs right now, and insurance companies are tightenting up their underwriting. So alot of people are going to be "shopping" their insurance around, looking for a better deal. Its going to be a good time to be an agent.

But the insurance companies have probably taken a hit like everybody else, since they do use their premiums received in the stock market to offset claims they have to pay, and to make gains. But they have a baseline of cash that comes in no matter what, so they do have actual value and can function off of premium dollars until things right themselves.
 
Nah. People will still need to have cars...at least for a couple more decades. It's likely that GM and Chrysler will go bust, but the automobile industry as a whole will rebound somewhat.

Car sales numbers have gone down considerably in all big markets(Europe, Asia, the US).. Japanese exports have fallen 50% party because of this, the rest due to electronics. Unsold cars are parked around Europe, unused, unsold.. There was even news of a ship full of cars that just had to permanently park outside in a dock in Sweden. GM, Chrystler, Ford, all on the brink of bankruptcy, European competitors are now losing money on a big scale, Japanese cars are next. Such a decline in car sales might just be permanent, we have bought cars in the west, switching out cars every year without a need for it, that time might just be over.

I see a lot of struggle at LEAST.

Yes. The insurance industry seems primed for disaster.

How can they possibly avoid it? I cant see the way. When things go wrong, insurance companies are in BIG trouble, not only big, but epic.


Nah. These things will always be in demand. People have less discretionary income than before, but that's a temporary problem.

Japanese exports fell by almost 50% from January 2008 until January 2009. Thats disastrous, its led by falling car sales and falling electronic sales, Japans two biggest industries. Not only that, but the deflation in Europe on electronics is just massive as a result of lost demand and oversupply. European manufacturing declining is mostly because of machinery, while American decline can be contributed also to electronics.

Potential disaster. If the ball rolls, it will sure drag with it this industry as well.


The airline industry has already collapsed. For the past eight years, most of the airlines seem to be operating in a permanent state of bankruptcy.

Its interesting how they actually managed to survive. I read some interesting article in Forbes about companies that were predicted to last the next 100 years. Only 1 airline company was predicted to still be in existence.. Air France/KLM.
When people cut back they easily cut back on travel, the airline industry just cannot afford that, potential disaster.


Not a chance.

I was thinking the same when I wrote that, but... What about piracy and free open source software? Are you sure software will not become "the next wikipedia"?


On a second note I was also thinking about the media and entertainment industry.. Can they collapse as a result of piracy and technology? Or will they always be in demand and take a slice of the money cake?

I was also considering "nations/governments".. But that would be the last one to collapse obviously, not so unlikely anymore, that even big nations could collapse economically within 5-10 years after bailing out all industries. And then the people last of course..
 
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Car sales numbers have gone down considerably in all big markets(Europe, Asia, the US).. Japanese exports have fallen 50% party because of this, the rest due to electronics. Unsold cars are parked around Europe, unused, unsold.. There was even news of a ship full of cars that just had to permanently park outside in a dock in Sweden. GM, Chrystler, Ford, all on the brink of bankruptcy, European competitors are now losing money on a big scale, Japanese cars are next. Such a decline in car sales might just be permanent, we have bought cars in the west, switching out cars every year without a need for it, that time might just be over.

I see a lot of struggle at LEAST.

If the weakest players (GM and Chrysler) go bankrupt, that will provide more opportunity for growth for the stronger players (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Ford) as they compete for those customers.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Japanese exports fell by almost 50% from January 2008 until January 2009. Thats disastrous, its led by falling car sales and falling electronic sales, Japans two biggest industries. Not only that, but the deflation in Europe on electronics is just massive as a result of lost demand and oversupply. European manufacturing declining is mostly because of machinery, while American decline can be contributed also to electronics.

Potential disaster. If the ball rolls, it will sure drag with it this industry as well.

There's always a lot of deflation in electronics, even during good economic times. That's more due to constantly improving technology than any economic condition.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Its interesting how they actually managed to survive. I read some interesting article in Forbes about companies that were predicted to last the next 100 years. Only 1 airline company was predicted to still be in existence.. Air France/KLM.

I doubt that almost any companies in existence now will still be in existence in 100 years.

Maximus Zeebra said:
I was thinking the same when I wrote that, but... What about piracy and free open source software? Are you sure software will not become "the next wikipedia"?

It'll still be profitable...people will just have to be more creative as to how they make their profits. The days where you can charge people $40 for unlimited use of a computer game are coming to an end, largely because of piracy. However, I think that it will be much more common to make money in other ways: Subscription fees (WoW), advertising (Google), a cut of the profits (eBay), etc.

And even with the rampant piracy, iTunes has shown that you can make electronic music profitable simply by providing people with convenient, legal, high-quality, virus-free downloads all in one place. I wouldn't be surprised to see the movie industry go down the same route.

Maximus Zeebra said:
On a second note I was also thinking about the media and entertainment industry.. Can they collapse as a result of piracy and technology? Or will they always be in demand and take a slice of the money cake?

They'll always be around. But they might evolve into something else. I wouldn't necessarily expect movies (as we think of them now) to be around forever.
 
If several industries collapse, the inevitable result will be a worse western economy at least, and most likely a worse global economy, which again will lead to less demand and problems for the electronic industry which is probably not prepared for bad times at all, with some exceptions. Sony and other large Japanese giants already had economic trouble in the foreseeable future, and with the financial crisis on top of that, who knows if they can manage and not need help.
 
Of all, here's one -- The paper-making industry.

They'll be less people wasting and buying paper in the near times to come. Lol.
 
Commercial real estate will probably be the next to "deflate"...
 
The EU.

Economic crisis threatens the idea of one Europe - International Herald Tribune

With uncertain leadership and few powerful collective institutions, the union is struggling with the strains this economic crisis has inevitably produced among 27 different countries with different economic histories. The traditional concept of "solidarity," of one for all, is being undermined by protectionist pressures from political leaders with national constituencies and agendas.

It is a sharp contrast with the meltdown's effects on the U.S. government. President Barack Obama has just announced a radical budget that will send the United States more deeply into debt, but that also makes an effort to redistribute income and lay the foundations for significant changes in health care, education and the environment.

Whether Europe can reach across constituencies to create consensus has been an open, and suddenly urgent, question.

"The European Union will now have to prove whether it is just a fair-weather union or has a real joint political destiny," said Stefan Kornelius, the foreign news editor of Süddeutsche Zeitung in Germany. "The whole project of a joint currency is being tested for the first time. We always said you can't really have a currency union without a political union, and we don't have one. There is no joint fiscal policy, no joint tax policy, no joint policy on which industries to subsidize or not. And none of the leaders is strong enough to pull the others out of the mud."
 
Anyone who thinks the financial crisis is over is living in a dream land, its just begun, or at least its not over by far.. Which is the next industry that will be bankrupted and have to be completely bailed out across the world, and nationalized and so fourth..

(Thread was inspired by AIGs massive loss reported, last quarter and last year, record loss)...
What industry has been had to be bailed out across the world?
 
Ooh.. and who wil bail out the EU when it fails?

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Spamming really doesn't help your cause. Do you have something to say about the poll or are you going to continue attacking threads with your mindless anti-EU drivel?

Anyway, autos are in trouble. Not the whole industry, obviously, but the Consumer Reports annual car issue just came out, and GM and Chrysler were next-to-last and last in overall quality. Ford can fight its way out of trouble, but the other two of the Big Three are going to end up merging or collapsing as Toyota and friends keep on pumping out efficiency and reliability.
 
Spamming really doesn't help your cause. Do you have something to say about the poll or are you going to continue attacking threads with your mindless anti-EU drivel?
MZ asked what would fail next.
I posted a story that hints that the EU is headed down that path.
My doing so is no more anti-EU than all of MZ's inanity is anti-US.
 
Spamming really doesn't help your cause. Do you have something to say about the poll or are you going to continue attacking threads with your mindless anti-EU drivel?

Anyway, autos are in trouble. Not the whole industry, obviously, but the Consumer Reports annual car issue just came out, and GM and Chrysler were next-to-last and last in overall quality. Ford can fight its way out of trouble, but the other two of the Big Three are going to end up merging or collapsing as Toyota and friends keep on pumping out efficiency and reliability.

The financial arm of Toyota just announced its seeking a HUGE loan from the Japanese government.
 
I am not sure what industry is collapsing next. But I know the most important and most alarming. The information and communication industry.
 
What industry has been had to be bailed out across the world?

Banking and finance up until now. The car industry has partly also been bailed out in the US and Japan, and is now receiving support in Europe as well.

A downward spiral where industries collapse around each other would be really bad, and the government bailing them out is impossible, because the governments would also be sucked down the drain eventually.

How long for example can the electronics industry deal with falling demand and sales? How long then after they start collapsing can the software industry keep it going?

Hasn't the demand really been a bubble for mostly all industries? Because of the loaning bubble and the incredible debts people have taken on to keep up consumption, How ill industries deal with a lowered natural demand? It can take perhaps 50 years to get back to the same demand we were at, without the bubble in loans. Dont know, but I see a bad spiral, and I dont like it.
 
Spamming really doesn't help your cause. Do you have something to say about the poll or are you going to continue attacking threads with your mindless anti-EU drivel?

Anyway, autos are in trouble. Not the whole industry, obviously, but the Consumer Reports annual car issue just came out, and GM and Chrysler were next-to-last and last in overall quality. Ford can fight its way out of trouble, but the other two of the Big Three are going to end up merging or collapsing as Toyota and friends keep on pumping out efficiency and reliability.

CU has never been honest, IMO, about american cars.
The "quality" may be lower, but the average American car is more than good enough to serve its original and intended purpose.
I never buy cars to stroke my ego, to street race at night, to be crammed with electronics, to impress the neighbors, etc.
I buy with relibility in mind, and have yet to be disappointed. I have never had a major failure of any of my cars, not once did they fail to serve the intended purpose of getting me to and from my destination safely.
Worst car we ever had is the 2000 Impala that we still have. In one year we replaced a power window motor, the heater core, and the ignition switch. Except for the leaky heater core, none of the failures caused the car to not funtion correctly. The ignition switch problem only caused the AC and CC to not work...otherwise, the Impala is a great car.
CU blows minor failures out of proportion.
Granted, SOME american cars suck, but most are more than adequate. If you are willing to support car makers overseas in favor of those here in the USA, go for it...but don't be surprised when you lose your job to foreign competition...

As for which industry, I can't say, but I do have an opinion on commodities.
Water and Food are going to become an issue. Clean water is getting harder to find as we are polluting our ground water with gasoline from leaky fuel tanks and other chemicals, and enough water for food crops is already an issue in California...
 
As for which industry, I can't say, but I do have an opinion on commodities.
Water and Food are going to become an issue. Clean water is getting harder to find as we are polluting our ground water with gasoline from leaky fuel tanks and other chemicals, and enough water for food crops is already an issue in California...

Yikes, yes.. I am thinking about this sometimes, but then I am so focused on not thinking about that, that I try to avoid it.. Thats just something I prefer to not deal with, but its happening slowly, food and water will eventually become a problem if we do not change..

Dezalination and such is not really a viable alternative.. I live on the canary islands, where most water is desalinated, its horrible compared with regular fresh water for just about any use, and its full of nasty chemicals.
 
Yikes, yes.. I am thinking about this sometimes, but then I am so focused on not thinking about that, that I try to avoid it.. Thats just something I prefer to not deal with, but its happening slowly, food and water will eventually become a problem if we do not change..

Dezalination and such is not really a viable alternative.. I live on the canary islands, where most water is desalinated, its horrible compared with regular fresh water for just about any use, and its full of nasty chemicals.

In the navy, I lived at GTMO for 3 years back in the 70's, and we had distilled water from the bay. It was first distilled, then pumped up the hill in rusty pipes, stored in rusty tanks, then fed to our houses via more rusty pipes.
We had to fill a container, let the rust settle, carefully pour the top part into a pan, boil it, let it cool, pour it into another container, let it settle, pour it into yet another contaner, again leaving the worst behind, and them put it in the fridge. There was a tap right at the desalinization plant where you could get the distilled water before it got sent up the hill in rusty pipes.
Maybe you have that available where you are? If so, bear in mind that PURE distilled water isn't good for you either, long term. Along with your vitamins, take some mineral supplements....
 
In the navy, I lived at GTMO for 3 years back in the 70's, and we had distilled water from the bay. It was first distilled, then pumped up the hill in rusty pipes, stored in rusty tanks, then fed to our houses via more rusty pipes.
We had to fill a container, let the rust settle, carefully pour the top part into a pan, boil it, let it cool, pour it into another container, let it settle, pour it into yet another contaner, again leaving the worst behind, and them put it in the fridge. There was a tap right at the desalinization plant where you could get the distilled water before it got sent up the hill in rusty pipes.
Maybe you have that available where you are? If so, bear in mind that PURE distilled water isn't good for you either, long term. Along with your vitamins, take some mineral supplements....

I mean, some people would say vertical farming and desalination is a solution to future food and water problems.. Thats just not very likely in my opinion.

Personally I dont drink the desalinated water, I drink bottle water from mountainous areas.. No vitamins necessary, I eat tons of salad and fruit.

Mineral supplements however.. Hmm.. Like what?
 
I mean, some people would say vertical farming and desalination is a solution to future food and water problems.. Thats just not very likely in my opinion.

Personally I dont drink the desalinated water, I drink bottle water from mountainous areas.. No vitamins necessary, I eat tons of salad and fruit.

Mineral supplements however.. Hmm.. Like what?

good tasting water has some minerals in it, certainly distilled water has no taste....not sure what minerals taste best, but it is could become a health issue, long term. You could google the hazards of drinking only distilled water...
 
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