Dems: Tax/spend? Borrow/spend?

WI Crippler said:

You know, I bet if McCain had won the election, and unveiled this ambitiuos spending plan with little or no tax increase, nobody would be saying "its ok, in a recession". Rather the response would be about the irresponsibilities of the GOP, once again. And those responses would be correct, just as they would be correct about the democrats, with Obama in office. Partisanship ruins, what should be universal condemnation of this outrageous amount of spending.

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McCain would not have done it though. He would have had the same economic ideologues setting his economic policy that Bush had. Thus we would have seen more supply side economics in action. Right now they would be arguing that much of government would have to be privatized due to the current huge deficits and looking to sell Yellowstone off to a gated community developer.

The point is that Obama is practicing Keynesian Economics with his stimulus, Republican don't. It's heresy to them.

SouthernDemocrat said:

The point is that Obama is practicing Keynesian Economics with his stimulus, Republican don't. It's heresy to them.

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At the moment. Remember that Republican spending policies during Bush Jr and Reagan were in fact Keynesian Economics hidden behind claims of trickle down. Anyone who thinks that the massive spike in military related spending had no effect on the economy is delusional. Domestic program spending during Reagan really didn't change. What did was the astronomical amounts on military related programs. In a way that is trickle down based on indirect spending from workers and programs. But it's still Keynesian in the form of government spending to spur economic growth. Really, military spending has nearly doubled every year from 1997 to 2007. 1997 was around $320 billion. It's over $630 billion in 2007. Through $200~300 billion into the market every year is obviously going to promote growth in the defense industry.

Keynesian Economics is often heresy to Republicans when someone else does it but it's not when they do it.

Goobieman said:

As I said:
Don't worry -- its pretty clear that The Obama will make them look very very good.

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That depends. Much of the current deficit is due to Bush era spending. We'll have to see the actual results and then strip out Bush era spending to see what Obama's era is going to be responsible for. Remember that Bush HW had crappy deficits and debt because of Reagan. Similarly, Clinton had good deficits and debt growth his first term because HW was willing to stand on his conservative fiscal principles and slow the debt growth, it cost him the presidency, but well, at least he had principles unlike his spawn. If Obama gets reelected then that will be a good time to examine the debt load under him assuming we accelerate debt retirement of the Iraq adventure.

Cilogy said:

I would prefer taxing and spending (the Dem strategy)....

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So, you oppose The Obama's budget, that borrows and spends?

Goobieman said:

So, you oppose The Obama's budget, that borrows and spends?

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This is inherently dishonest. Obama's projected budget increases taxation on some groups either by raising tax levels or closing loopholes/tax shelters while borrowing and spending. You are dishonestly trying to cast it as spend and borrow rather then spend, borrow and tax.

So what's the point of this thread?

Lerxst said:

So what's the point of this thread?

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That shoud be obvious to anyone paying attention

Dems have criticized the GOP as 'borrow and spend', arguing that their idea of 'tax and spend' is better.

Now, The Obama is borrowing and spending, and doing so to a degree that FAR exceeds anything the GOP ever did.

So, there is a two-fold purpose here:
- I want to see what the Dems want to be called, now that they are borrowers/spenders
- I want to see if the tax/spend dems will criticize Obama.

So far, the Dems have not acceptted their new position as 'borrowers/spenders', nor have they critizised The Obama to any great degree.

I guess the (D) next to His name is all that matters.

obvious Child said:

This is inherently dishonest. Obama's projected budget increases taxation on some groups either by raising tax levels or closing loopholes/tax shelters while borrowing and spending. You are dishonestly trying to cast it as spend and borrow rather then spend, borrow and tax.

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You did notice the "both" option, yes?

Goobieman said:

That shoud be obvious to anyone paying attention

Dems have criticized the GOP as 'borrow and spend', arguing that their idea of 'tax and spend' is better.

Now, The Obama is borrowing and spending, and doing so to a degree that FAR exceeds anything the GOP ever did.

So, there is a two-fold purpose here:
- I want to see what the Dems want to be called, now that they are borrowers/spenders
- I want to see if the tax/spend dems will criticize Obama.

So far, the Dems have not acceptted their new position as 'borrowers/spenders', nor have they critizised The Obama to any great degree.

I guess the (D) next to His name is all that matters.

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So you want to discuss peoples opinions on this issue? I see.

Does this actually qualify as "having a point?" I'm asking because it's counter to your logic when criticizing others polls.

Lerxst said:

So you want to discuss peoples opinions on this issue? I see.

Does this actually qualify as "having a point?" I'm asking because it's counter to your logic when criticizing others polls.

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The point of the poll is clear; if you reference the last line of the post you responsed to, maybe you'll pick up on it.

Dont be mad a ME because YOU don't have a point.