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Racist or not Racist.

Which of these pictures are Racist?

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talloulou said:
Complete b.s.

Humans (all of em) have been compared to apes, monkeys, chimps what have you since damn near forever. Kids are routinely called monkeys by parents, grandparents, etc. Chimps are our closest relative for Gods sake.
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It is not the same thing. Black people have been compared to apes throughout history by racists saying that they were less human than white people and were closer to apes. This is not the assertion that is made when people are calling their kids monkeys and when they do call their kids monkeys it does not have a connection to their race.
 
YamiB. said:
It is not the same thing. Black people have been compared to apes throughout history by racists saying that they were less human than white people and were closer to apes. This is not the assertion that is made when people are calling their kids monkeys and when they do call their kids monkeys it does not have a connection to their race.
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I really don't care. You don't get to take the terms monkey, ape, chimp, etc and decide that whenever they are used around black folk they are racist. I don't buy it. Unless it is used in a context where it is obvious the entire black community is being attacked in one fell swoop it isn't racism. It's just not, no matter what you say.
 
talloulou said:
I really don't care. You don't get to take the terms monkey, ape, chimp, etc and decide that whenever they are used around black folk they are racist. I don't buy it. Unless it is used in a context where it is obvious the entire black community is being attacked in one fell swoop it isn't racism. It's just not, no matter what you say.
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Well, I'm sorry you are not convinced but Black people have repeatedly had their facial features compared to apes and monkeys.
 
YamiB. said:
White people as a race have not been compared to monkeys.
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You sure about that?

Besides, I don't see a race of black people in that there photo of Obama. I see a single person.

YamiB. said:
There have been individuals who are white who were compared to monkeys. There is a difference between the two, don't be obtuse.
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I'm not. I am most definitely an acute angle kind of guy. I go right to the point.

Racism is over in this country.

Stop whining about what doesn't exist.
 
EgoffTib said:
Well, I'm sorry you are not convinced but Black people have repeatedly had their facial features compared to apes and monkeys.
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So?

Ain't it time for them to grow up and get over it?

If it's valid to compare Bush to a chimp, it's doubly so to do so with Obama, who is already getting the record books re-written to have his name down as Worst Prez Ever.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You sure about that?

Besides, I don't see a race of black people in that there photo of Obama. I see a single person.




I'm not. I am most definitely an acute angle kind of guy. I go right to the point.

Racism is over in this country.

Stop whining about what doesn't exist.
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*SNORT!* :rofl

Oh sorry...sorry, carry on. This is pure gold.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
You sure about that?

Besides, I don't see a race of black people in that there photo of Obama. I see a single person.
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Yes, a person who belongs to a race of people that have had a racist slur of comparing them to apes. Do you understand that certain things are racist in connection to certain groups?

For example portraying a Jew with a huge nose with a pile of gold or some such would certainly be racist.

Racism is over in this country.

Stop whining about what doesn't exist.
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If you think this is true you are completely moronic.
 
EgoffTib said:
Well, I'm sorry you are not convinced but Black people have repeatedly had their facial features compared to apes and monkeys.
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All people have. As I've said, scientifically chimps are our closest relatives. We are -all of us- very similar to them and many of the great apes.
 
YamiB. said:
Yes, a person who belongs to a race of people that have had a racist slur of comparing them to apes. Do you understand that certain things are racist in connection to certain groups?

For example portraying a Jew with a huge nose with a pile of gold or some such would certainly be racist.



If you think this is true you are completely moronic.
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What if it's a Jew who actually happens to HAVE a pile of gold and a big nose.

I refuse to cater to the overly sensitive.
 
YamiB. said:
Yes, a person who belongs to a race of people that have had a racist slur of comparing them to apes. Do you understand that certain things are racist in connection to certain groups?

For example portraying a Jew with a huge nose with a pile of gold or some such would certainly be racist.
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Well then why isn't the media outraged about South Park?
 
WI Crippler said:
Well then why isn't the media outraged about South Park?
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No idea, could be for plenty of reasons. Personally I don't have a problem with South Park's various racist jokes because I know they're done for humor and they seem to more be poking fun at stereotypes than embracing them. If we're talking about the Washington Post guy I think the media reaction was overblown, but looking at his works he is certainly a racist and a bigot so I would personally abstain from buying the paper that gives him work.
 
WI Crippler said:
Well then why isn't the media outraged about South Park?
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Because I'm guessing that the overwhelming majority of its audience is probably aware that the intent is ironic.

While it is the position of myself and a few others here that the black/ape comparison is traditionally racist, the other side has introduced the diversionary topic of outrage into the thread. This has resulted in muddying the issue entirely rather than just addressing whether something is or isn't racist. Which is most likely the point.

It's also an ad hom, technically, but whatever.
 
YamiB. said:
Of course, the Irish needed somebody to run their banks so they had them convert.
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Them shifty Jewish leprechauns. The only way to make a withdrawal is to find the end of the rainbow. And everyone knows San Francisco can be a pain in the ass when you're a drunk. :shock:
 
WI Crippler said:
Well then why isn't the media outraged about South Park?
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Context and intent are important. South Park attempts to simultaneously be ironic while mocking the stereotype itself. If one of these stereotypes is used specifically to be derogatory, demeaning or insulting then it is considered racist.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
I think what every one is forgetting is that the Left is the self-proclaimed judge of what is racist and what isn't.

Thus, it's racist to legimiately compare an incompetent disaster of a president to a successful primate, if that president has the middle name Hussein.

It's not racist to say that black people aren't good enough to succeed on their own merits, so the government has to mandate racial quotas and set asides, known as Affirmative Action and other policies, the deny equally qualified white people an equal opportunity for employment.

Just ask any Lefty.
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:yt

Until they run a cartoon of Obama as a lawn jockey with giant lips, sputtering sentence fragments, under a heading like, "House Nigger," like they did without a peep from Democrats when it was Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas, I will not take seriously anything they have to say about Obama being merely compared to a monkey in some really indirect way.

Please. :roll:
 
rivrrat said:
It wasn't racist prior to Obama. It isn't racist now. So, it's not racist BECAUSE history happened. The history of cartoonists comparing politicians to monkeys. See how this works?
If it was okay for one, it's okay for the other. If it wasn't racist for one, it isn't racist for another. The people who cry 'racism', are those that think a black man should have different rules applied to him. In other words... racists. I really see no other way to describe the attitude that we should treat a black man differently than a white man.
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No offense intended but that's the most retarded jibberish I've ever seen you spout. The people who point out racism are the people who are aware that Black people have had a liiiiitle different experience in the history of this country from white folks. And that symbols like say, a burning cross, a noose, a monkey have been used for a long time to attack, to threaten, to belittle and to insult black people, and the use of them is still entirely inapprorpriate. See how this works?

If there was a political cartoon of a monkey hanging from a noose in front of a burning cross on the whitehouse lawn, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of you people saying that it just means that Obama is "Choking" by not paying enough respect to the Christian religion. And that there's nothing racist about it at all. And if you see anything about it, you yourself MUST be racist. Such an ignorance of history may not be inherently racist. Perhaps it's just dumb.
 
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faminedynasty said:
No offense intended but that's the most retarded jibberish I've ever seen you spout. The people who point out racism are the people who are aware that Black people have had a liiiiitle different experience in the history of this country from white folks. And that symbols like say, a burning cross, a noose, a monkey have been used for a long time to attack, to threaten, to belittle and to insult black people, and the use of them is still entirely inapprorpriate. See how this works?

If there was a political cartoon of a monkey hanging from a noose in front of a burning cross on the whitehouse lawn, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of you people saying that it just means that Obama is "Choking" by not paying enough respect to the Christian religion. And that there's nothing racist about it at all. And if you see anything about it, you yourself MUST be racist. Such an ignorance of history may not be inherently racist. Perhaps it's just dumb.
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Relax. Rivrat and others here are just taking the piss.
 
faminedynasty said:
No offense intended but that's the most retarded jibberish I've ever seen you spout. The people who point out racism are the people who are aware that Black people have had a liiiiitle different experience in the history of this country from white folks. And that symbols like say, a burning cross, a noose, a monkey have been used for a long time to attack, to threaten, to belittle and to insult black people, and the use of them is still entirely inapprorpriate. See how this works?
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No, I don't see how that works, thankQverymuch. Now I don't remember my infancy, but I do remember as far back as 4 and I have absolutely no recollection of anyone being a slave. I am pretty sure my friends don't have any recollection of being slaves either. Now, as I said, I can't really account for the 4 years preceding my earliest recollections but I feel safe in betting my right nut that that those 4 years were not that drastically different. So yeah...unless all the blacks I know grew up in some alternate America where the South won the war while I was left behind in this America, I don't really see how that works. My guess is that it doesn't.

If there was a political cartoon of a monkey hanging from a noose in front of a burning cross on the whitehouse lawn, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of you people saying that it just means that Obama is "Choking" by not paying enough respect to the Christian religion. And that there's nothing racist about it at all. And if you see anything about it, you yourself MUST be racist. Such a rejection of history may not be inherently racist. Perhaps its just dumb.
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:applaud Truly epic performance piece. Entitle it "Hyperbole" and go back to your day job. Theatrics aren't in high demand these days.
 
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