• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Racist or not Racist.

Which of these pictures are Racist?


  • Total voters
    49
Everyone in America rightly or wrongly associates the stimulus package with Obama. Its obvious that the reference was to the individual that everyone associates the package with.

The caption says: "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill." Unless people are complete idiots it should be obvious that it isn't referring to Obama. It's almost as if people just zeroed in on the word "stimulus" and the monkey and immediately associated it to Obama.
 
Agreed. In order for it to be different, you'd have to "reboot" American history and culture. While that's certainly not a bad idea on many levels, it's a tad unrealistic.

See I think in order to be different you just have to let the dumb stuff go. Just let it go. Refuse to acknowledge it.

Let's say you see Bush as a monkey in a cartoon and right next to it you see Obama portrayed as a monkey in a cartoon. If you reflexively allow yourself to be more upset about the Obama portrayal you're keeping racism alive yourself. You're saying NO that's ok to do to Bush but not Obama because Obama is DIFFERENT - HE'S BLACK!!!

Deal with racist pricks as you come across them, as you meet them. But don't look for racism. Don't allow yourself to get worked up anymore. And certainly don't look at two stupid pictures and tell yourself one is worse than the other because of the skin color of the person involved!!!!!
 
Everyone in America rightly or wrongly associates the stimulus package with Obama. Its obvious that the reference was to the individual that everyone associates the package with.

No, I associate the stimulus bill with an idiot congress that let Obama have his way from the onset.
 
The caption says: "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill." Unless people are complete idiots it should be obvious that it isn't referring to Obama. It's almost as if people just zeroed in on the word "stimulus" and the monkey and immediately associated it to Obama.

I'm not concluding anything as I can't decide if the cartoon was racist or just retarded. Alright, I get the news reference (escaped monkey goes on face biting rampage), but why throw in the reference of a stimulus bill, and who did write the stimulus bill? While I know that a lot of people contributed to it, is the stimulus bill not Obama's baby?
 
I'm not concluding anything as I can't decide if the cartoon was racist or just retarded. Alright, I get the news reference (escaped monkey goes on face biting rampage), but why throw in the reference of a stimulus bill, and who did write the stimulus bill? While I know that a lot of people contributed to it, is the stimulus bill not Obama's baby?

As with all bills, it was written by the legislature.
 
See I think in order to be different you just have to let the dumb stuff go. Just let it go. Refuse to acknowledge it.

Let's say you see Bush as a monkey in a cartoon and right next to it you see Obama portrayed as a monkey in a cartoon. If you reflexively allow yourself to be more upset about the Obama portrayal you're keeping racism alive yourself. You're saying NO that's ok to do to Bush but not Obama because Obama is DIFFERENT - HE'S BLACK!!!

Deal with racist pricks as you come across them, as you meet them. But don't look for racism. Don't allow yourself to get worked up anymore. And certainly don't look at two stupid pictures and tell yourself one is worse than the other because of the skin color of the person involved!!!!!

By assuming that I'm all "worked up" about this, you're not getting my point. Try not to imagine that I'm currently sobbing my eyes out in front of the monitor.
 
I find neither to be racist. Tasteless, but not racist.
 
By assuming that I'm all "worked up" about this, you're not getting my point. Try not to imagine that I'm currently sobbing my eyes out in front of the monitor.

Fine. I'll just add that if you're wondering if something is racist, trying to decide if maybe it is, trying to rationalize how it could be then why not just go with it's NOT and let it roll away?
 
Is this racist?

MtRushmore.jpg
crackers_saltines.jpg
 
Fine. I'll just add that if you're wondering if something is racist, trying to decide if maybe it is, trying to rationalize how it could be then why not just go with it's NOT and let it roll away?

Because that would require everybody simultaneously forgetting history. Again, not always such a bad idea, but not realistic.

EDIT: I'm not suggesting that the same stigmas have to hang around like a stale fart for all of eternity, because fortunately human history doesn't work that way: time heals all wounds. The more distance put between the present and a period of racial inequality, the less sting such racial epithets will have.
 
Last edited:
Technically yes, but speaking as a white person, as racial epithets go it's a pretty damn innocuous one.

All racial epithets are innocuous until someone starts being a baby over it.
 
Is this racist?

MtRushmore.jpg
crackers_saltines.jpg

However, I think your analogy might work a little better if there were an equally offensive word for a white person as "nigger." Racist labels tend to sting more when applied to groups that have been significantly oppressed.

On another note, it's easy for me to claim that "cracker" is innocuous because I am at the business end of the ephitet. I can decide for myself that when you call me a cracker, I don't feel hurt in the least. I've noticed that people decide all too often when racism is a thing of the past when they're not the ethnic group in question.
 
I trully am not sure how respond to trash like this. I don't know if you are a racist, or just an idiot.

We are have ended 8 years of the worst president in our history, it seems that a reasonably intelligent person would wait and see what is going to happen before writing a fake script for the way you want things to be with Obama.

I voted for Obama, but I have no idea how things will go as we try to overcome the terrible legacies of the Reagan and the Bush Administrations. If Obama does not solve every problem in the next week, I will give him a chance and then judge him.

He may not get the Job done, and the Bush goal of destroying the USA, will come true.
 
Last edited:
I trully am not sure how respond to trash like this. I don't know if you are a racist, or just an idiot.

We are have ended 8 years of the worst president in our history, it seems that a reasonably intelligent person would wait and see what is going to happen before writing a fake script for the way you want things to be with Obama.

I voted for Obama, but I have no idea how things will go as we try to overcome the terrible legacies of the Reagan and the Bush Administrations. If Obama does not solve every problem in the next week, I will give him a chance and then judge him.

He may not get the Job done, and the Bush Goal of destroying the USA, will come true.
Amen, brother. :doh
 
I trully am not sure how respond to trash like this. I don't know if you are a racist, or just an idiot.

We are have ended 8 years of the worst president in our history, it seems that a reasonably intelligent person would wait and see what is going to happen before writing a fake script for the way you want things to be with Obama.

I voted for Obama, but I have no idea how things will go as we try to overcome the terrible legacies of the Reagan and the Bush Administrations. If Obama does not solve every problem in the next week, I will give him a chance and then judge him.

He may not get the Job done, and the Bush Goal of destroying the USA, will come true.

Okay, take two...and this time let's inject a little relevance into your post.
 
I trully am not sure how respond to trash like this. I don't know if you are a racist, or just an idiot.

We are have ended 8 years of the worst president in our history, it seems that a reasonably intelligent person would wait and see what is going to happen before writing a fake script for the way you want things to be with Obama.

I voted for Obama, but I have no idea how things will go as we try to overcome the terrible legacies of the Reagan and the Bush Administrations. If Obama does not solve every problem in the next week, I will give him a chance and then judge him.

He may not get the Job done, and the Bush goal of destroying the USA, will come true.




Are you talking to me?
 
I trully am not sure how respond to trash like this. I don't know if you are a racist, or just an idiot.

We are have ended 8 years of the worst president in our history, it seems that a reasonably intelligent person would wait and see what is going to happen before writing a fake script for the way you want things to be with Obama.

I voted for Obama, but I have no idea how things will go as we try to overcome the terrible legacies of the Reagan and the Bush Administrations. If Obama does not solve every problem in the next week, I will give him a chance and then judge him.

He may not get the Job done, and the Bush goal of destroying the USA, will come true.

So first you resort to personal attacks even though there was no provocation towards you and then you go on a rant that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Bravo! :doh
 
So first you resort to personal attacks even though there was no provocation towards you and then you go on a rant that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Bravo! :doh

I'd say that is the kind of post everyone should report.
 
However, I think your analogy might work a little better if there were an equally offensive word for a white person as "nigger." Racist labels tend to sting more when applied to groups that have been significantly oppressed.

On another note, it's easy for me to claim that "cracker" is innocuous because I am at the business end of the ephitet. I can decide for myself that when you call me a cracker, I don't feel hurt in the least. I've noticed that people decide all too often when racism is a thing of the past when they're not the ethnic group in question.

I don't get offended if anyone calls me anything. Whether it is about race or small penis size or my inate stupidity or whatever.
 
I don't get offended if anyone calls me anything. Whether it is about race or small penis size or my inate stupidity or whatever.

That's because you are an adult who knows that turning on the waterworks over every perceived slight is not going to help you or anyone else.

Unfortunately, a lot of people never grow up.
 
Black people have frequently been compared to monkeys in a derogatory manner, while white people have not. Asking us to judge the two examples to be equal is expecting us to forget, you know, history.
It's all about context. If you are saying that a monkey could do the persons job, or a better job than said person, you are making the distinction that that person is an idiot, or that someone is behaving like a monkey, in other words unruly, I am half spanish, half european other and characterized as caucasian and was called out for "acting like a monkey" all the time by my grandparents, should I take that as a racist statement?
 
I am half spanish, half european other and characterized as caucasian and was called out for "acting like a monkey" all the time by my grandparents, should I take that as a racist statement?

So are you of the porch monkey or the yard ape family? :2wave:
 
Back
Top Bottom