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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Do you agree with the statement?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 57.5%

  • No

    Votes: 17 42.5%
  • Total voters
    40
Arch Enemy said:
Not if your entire family was blown up by a bomb that was dropped from an American warplane.
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Not at all sure how this addresses my post...?
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Goobieman said:
So... is freedom, defined as 'the removal of Israel from all of Palestine',ACTUAL freedom, or just their convenient defintion thereof?

That is, are Hamas/Hezbollah planning to replace Israel with free, open societies and governments, where the people are free to act as they please, so long as they do not infringe on others, all while protected from arbitrary and capricious acts by their government?
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You misunderstand... Their version of freedom is not yours. That is where your problem lies.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
They want to be free from western involvement in their affairs. It doesn't have to be complete freedom like we enjoy.
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So... they are NOT fightng for freedom.

I guess that addresses the issue well enough.
 
Goobieman said:
That is, are Hamas/Hezbollah planning to replace Israel with free, open societies and governments, where the people are free to act as they please, so long as they do not infringe on others, all while protected from arbitrary and capricious acts by their government?
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Those types of freedoms is western styled democracies. Muslims do not want secularism and in most cases the freedom to do as they please
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
They want to be free from western involvement in their affairs. It doesn't have to be complete freedom like we enjoy.
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As though freedom is a relative matter?

If you can't worship according to your own wishes and beliefs then you are not free, are you?

Read my sig.
 
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Goobieman said:
Not at all sure how this addresses my post...?
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you would not think of Al Quedia as a terrorist organization if your entire Afghan family was eliminated by an America Warplane; regardless of intent of the said warplane, or the American forces.
 
EgoffTib said:
You misunderstand... Their version of freedom is not yours. That is where your problem lies.
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"Freedom" has no "version". That is where YOUR porblem lies.

Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.
 
bhkad said:
As though freedom is a relative matter?

If you can't worship according to your own wishes and beliefs then you are not free, are you?
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Freedom is, like terrorism, subjective. I'm sorry to rain on your parade.
 
Arch Enemy said:
you would not think of Al Quedia as a terrorist organization if your entire Afghan family was eliminated by an America Warplane; regardless of intent of the said warplane, or the American forces.
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Ok...
You havent answered my question.

Is AQ fighting for freedom?
 
Laila said:
Those types of freedoms is western styled democracies. Muslims do not want secularism and in most cases the freedom to do as they please
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Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.
 
Goobieman said:
"Freedom" has no "version". That is where YOUR porblem lies.

Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.
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Freedom from Israeli occupation of their land. Very simple to understand, stop making this harder than it needs to be.
 
Goobieman said:
Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.
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I don't think many would see it as opression to not have a secular society or the ability to do whatever they please.
 
while the two terms are not mutually exclusive
they are also not always interchangeable

one can be fighting for freedom, but if they use terrorist tactics they are terrorists
if they use guerilla tactics against their enemy, than they are freedom fighters
a terrorist is not always fighting for freedom
a freedom fighter does not always use terrorist tactics
 
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EgoffTib said:
Freedom from Israeli occupation of their land. Very simple to understand, stop making this harder than it needs to be.
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Then they are not fightnig for "freedom", but only to gain enough power to force others to live as they would have them live.
 
Goobieman said:
Then they are not fightnig for "freedom", but only to gain enough power to force others to live as they would have them live.
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A freedom fighter fights for freedom. They want, say it with me, freedom from Israel. No one has said anything about a "free society". This is really that simple, why you fail to grasp it is beyond me.
 
Goobieman said:
Then they are not fightnig for "freedom", but only to gain enough power to force others to live as they would have them live.
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They are fighting for freedom to have control of the situation. That is what all freedom fighters are for. For control of something, or someone (stupid Greek b!tch).
 
Laila said:
I don't think many would see it as opression to not have a secular society or the ability to do whatever they please.
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Forcing people to live they way you want them to live is oppression.
Fighthing for the power to do so, therefore, is NOT fighting for freedom.
 
Arch Enemy said:
They are fighting for freedom to have control of the situation.
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That's not fighting for freedom, that's fighting for power.
Power to force people to live a certain way.
 
Goobieman said:
Forcing people to live they way you want them to live is oppression.
Fighthing for the power to do so, therefore, is NOT fighting for freedom.
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So by your logic, we as Americans are oppressed. Thanks for that tidbit of pertinent information. :doh
 
EgoffTib said:
A freedom fighter fights for freedom. They want, say it with me, freedom from Israel. No one has said anything about a "free society". This is really that simple, why you fail to grasp it is beyond me.
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If you arent fighting for a 'free society' then you;re not fighting for freedom, you're fighting for power to oppress.
This is really that simple, why you fail to grasp it is beyond me.
 
EgoffTib said:
So by your logic, we as Americans are oppressed.
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There's absolutely nothing in my statement that supports this.
You're now trying to misdirect the conversation.
 
Goobieman said:
That's not fighting for freedom, that's fighting for power.
Power to force people to live a certain way.
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FREEDOM IS THE POWER TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

how can you not understand this!?
 
Goobieman said:
So... they are NOT fightng for freedom.

I guess that addresses the issue well enough.
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Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back.

The world really isn't black and white. Sorry it had to be me that you had to find out from.
 
Laila said:
Those types of freedoms is western styled democracies. Muslims do not want secularism and in most cases the freedom to do as they please
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How can you know if they are prevented from doing so?

You sound like a Soviet saying that "the East Germans don't want freedom" while the Iron Curtain still stood. But we saw that when the Soviet Union crumbled along with the Berlin Wall, that the people loved freedom when given the chance to exercise it.

That is why Iraq is settling down now to normalcy and why are they voting and choosing their own futures in democratically free elections.
 
Goobieman said:
There's absolutely nothing in my statement that supports this.
You're now trying to misdirect the conversation.
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Sure. People fought for independence from Britain to set up America and rule it the way they wanted to. :2wave:
 
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