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Not at all sure how this addresses my post...?Not if your entire family was blown up by a bomb that was dropped from an American warplane.
Not at all sure how this addresses my post...?Not if your entire family was blown up by a bomb that was dropped from an American warplane.
You misunderstand... Their version of freedom is not yours. That is where your problem lies.So... is freedom, defined as 'the removal of Israel from all of Palestine',ACTUAL freedom, or just their convenient defintion thereof?
That is, are Hamas/Hezbollah planning to replace Israel with free, open societies and governments, where the people are free to act as they please, so long as they do not infringe on others, all while protected from arbitrary and capricious acts by their government?
So... they are NOT fightng for freedom.They want to be free from western involvement in their affairs. It doesn't have to be complete freedom like we enjoy.
That is, are Hamas/Hezbollah planning to replace Israel with free, open societies and governments, where the people are free to act as they please, so long as they do not infringe on others, all while protected from arbitrary and capricious acts by their government?
They want to be free from western involvement in their affairs. It doesn't have to be complete freedom like we enjoy.
Not at all sure how this addresses my post...?
"Freedom" has no "version". That is where YOUR porblem lies.You misunderstand... Their version of freedom is not yours. That is where your problem lies.
Freedom is, like terrorism, subjective. I'm sorry to rain on your parade.As though freedom is a relative matter?
If you can't worship according to your own wishes and beliefs then you are not free, are you?
Ok...you would not think of Al Quedia as a terrorist organization if your entire Afghan family was eliminated by an America Warplane; regardless of intent of the said warplane, or the American forces.
Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.Those types of freedoms is western styled democracies. Muslims do not want secularism and in most cases the freedom to do as they please
Freedom from Israeli occupation of their land. Very simple to understand, stop making this harder than it needs to be."Freedom" has no "version". That is where YOUR porblem lies.
Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.
Fighting for the "freedom" to oppress others according to some relgious text or tenet isn't fighting for freedom, but fighting to gain enough power to force others to live as you would have them.
Then they are not fightnig for "freedom", but only to gain enough power to force others to live as they would have them live.Freedom from Israeli occupation of their land. Very simple to understand, stop making this harder than it needs to be.
A freedom fighter fights for freedom. They want, say it with me, freedom from Israel. No one has said anything about a "free society". This is really that simple, why you fail to grasp it is beyond me.Then they are not fightnig for "freedom", but only to gain enough power to force others to live as they would have them live.
Then they are not fightnig for "freedom", but only to gain enough power to force others to live as they would have them live.
Forcing people to live they way you want them to live is oppression.I don't think many would see it as opression to not have a secular society or the ability to do whatever they please.
That's not fighting for freedom, that's fighting for power.They are fighting for freedom to have control of the situation.
So by your logic, we as Americans are oppressed. Thanks for that tidbit of pertinent information. :dohForcing people to live they way you want them to live is oppression.
Fighthing for the power to do so, therefore, is NOT fighting for freedom.
If you arent fighting for a 'free society' then you;re not fighting for freedom, you're fighting for power to oppress.A freedom fighter fights for freedom. They want, say it with me, freedom from Israel. No one has said anything about a "free society". This is really that simple, why you fail to grasp it is beyond me.
There's absolutely nothing in my statement that supports this.So by your logic, we as Americans are oppressed.
That's not fighting for freedom, that's fighting for power.
Power to force people to live a certain way.
So... they are NOT fightng for freedom.
I guess that addresses the issue well enough.
Those types of freedoms is western styled democracies. Muslims do not want secularism and in most cases the freedom to do as they please
Sure. People fought for independence from Britain to set up America and rule it the way they wanted to. :2wave:There's absolutely nothing in my statement that supports this.
You're now trying to misdirect the conversation.