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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Do you agree with the statement?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 57.5%

  • No

    Votes: 17 42.5%
  • Total voters
    40
independent_thinker2002 said:
Great, go tell your babysitter that you won a debate and get your cookie.

I won't tell her you never addressed my point and didn't bother pursuing the question of mine you avoided.
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Sounds like IT has a babysitter fetish. :lol:
 
EgoffTib said:
I'm glad you left out the part where I said your question was loaded and misrepresented my position.
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My question is valid, own its own, regardless of your position or that of anyone else.

Thus, your laments, above, are meaningless, and are nothing more than a lame attempt to keep from having to address my question.

But please - point out another typo.
 
Goobieman said:
My question is valid, own its own, regardless of your position or that of anyone else.

Thus, your laments, above, are meaningless, and are nothing more than a lame attempt to keep from having to address my question.

But please - point out another typo.
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Nah, pointing out that you want me to answer a question which misrepresents my position is more than enough to discredit your feeble attempt at an argument.
 
EgoffTib said:
Nah, pointing out that you want me to answer a question which misrepresents my position is more than enough to discredit your feeble attempt at an argument.
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You keep thinking that, sport.

Meanwhile, I will keep wondering how it is that fighting for the power to create an oppressive theocracy equates to fighitng for freedom.

Clearly, someone with -your- mad debate skillz should be able to handle such a softball.
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I haven't read through the previous 14 pages, so forgive me if its come up before, but as I see it, the statement is false.

Terrorism is the use of force or violence by non-state actors for political purposes upon non-military targets.

A freedom fighter is someone who fights to implement a less-oppressive regime.

Now it's possible to be both a freedom fighter and a terrorist (such as the resistance movement against Hitler's Germany), but that doesn't change the fact that it's terrorism.
 
Goobieman said:
You keep thinking that, sport.

Meanwhile, I will keep wondering how it is that fighting for the power to create an oppressive theocracy equates to fighitng for freedom.

Clearly, someone with -your- mad debate skillz should be able to handle such a softball.
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I don't know. Saudis seem quite happy. You are an outsider looking in, you see things differently then they do. They would rather have an oppressive theocracy then, an unstable country, or a group of Christians debasing their religion.
 
There were Nazis attempting to throw off the Allied occupation of Germany.

Were they freedom fighters?
 
PeteEU said:
100% true.

Washington was a freedom fighter according to historical record today, but if he had lost then he would have been a terrorist.
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No. Washington may have been traitor -- and to the Crown, he in fact was -- but he was not or was never a terrorist. He was a military general and he conducted himself as such, according to the rules of the day.
 
Goobieman said:
You keep thinking that, sport.

Meanwhile, I will keep wondering how it is that fighting for the power to create an oppressive theocracy equates to fighitng for freedom.
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Maybe you should ask someone who supports that position. Seems to be the best way to get that answer.
 
It depends on the cause of what you are fighting for. I know some people who try to compare terrorists to Americans in the Revolutionary war and I think that is absurd. Americans were fighting for freedom from tyranny. Muslim fascists are fighting to establish a theocracy of enslavement. That is not a "freedom fighter" in my opinion. I think it all comes down to the cause of your fight.
 
walleye said:
It depends on the cause of what you are fighting for. I know some people who try to compare terrorists to Americans in the Revolutionary war and I think that is absurd. Americans were fighting for freedom from tyranny. Muslim fascists are fighting to establish a theocracy of enslavement. That is not a "freedom fighter" in my opinion. I think it all comes down to the cause of your fight.
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Ironic that you would use that term.
 
I disagree with the statement for the simple reason that a terrorist intentionally targets innocent men women and children. A freedom fighter is fighting against totalitarianism. Fighting for freedom.
 
SgtRock said:
I disagree with the statement for the simple reason that a terrorist intentionally targets innocent men women and children. A freedom fighter is fighting against totalitarianism. Fighting for freedom.
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Why can you not fight for freedom while killing innocent people?
 
EgoffTib said:
Why can you not fight for freedom while killing innocent people?
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You can. The key word in my statment was intentionally. If your intent is to kill innocents you are a terrorist. Terrorist know this and they use it against us. That is why they use human shields. Then they can use propaganda to try to convince the rest of the world that we are the terrorist.
Like the pictures of bloody children comming out of Gaza.
 
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SgtRock said:
You can. The key word in my statment was intentionally. If your intent is to kill innocents you are a terrorist. Terrorist know this and they use it against us. That is why they use human shields. Then they can use propaganda to try to convince the rest of the world that we are the terrorist.
Like the pictures of bloody children comming out of Gaza.
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So you are saying that you cannot be a terrorist and a freedom fighter at the same time? I disagree.
 
EgoffTib said:
So you are saying that you cannot be a terrorist and a freedom fighter at the same time? I disagree.
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I suppose you could be both a freedom fighter and a terrorist. But if you are a freedom fighter and you intentionally kill innocent civilians you are a terrorist. You crossed the line from freedom fighter to terrorist. Does that make sense? Again the key is intent.
 
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SgtRock said:
I suppose you could be both a freedom fighter and a terrorist. But if you are a freedom fighter and you intentionally kill innocent civilians you are a terrorist. Does that make sense? Again the key is intent.
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It does make sense. Now explain that to Goobieman, he seems to be having trouble understanding. :cool:
 
My problem with the statement "One mans terrorist is an another mans freedom figher". Is that it is an attempt to make the terrorist acceptable to people. Just because someone may perceive a person to be a freedom fighter does not mean he is not a terrorist.

I had sympathy for the IRA's cause of freedom. But there tactic of purposefully targeting civilians was unacceptable. They were terrorist.
 
Goobieman said:
But... are Hamas/Hezbollah actually fighting for freedom?
For whom? Defined how?
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They are seen as a resistance movement to their people, seen as terrorists by those opposed to them.

Hamas takes its name from the Arabic initials for the Islamic Resistance Movement.

Branded a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US and the EU, it is seen by its supporters as a legitimate fighting force defending Palestinians from a brutal military occupation.

It is the largest Palestinian militant Islamist organisation, formed in 1987 at the beginning of the first intifada, or Palestinian uprising against Israel's occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.

The group's short-term aim has been to drive Israeli forces from the occupied territories. To achieve this it has launched attacks on Israeli troops and settlers in the Palestinian territories and against civilians in Israel.

It also has a long-term aim of establishing an Islamic state on all of historic Palestine - most of which has been contained within Israel's borders since its creation in 1948.
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Source: BBC Profile

Generally however the victor in any conflict gets to write the long term version of history, we're not there yet.
 
Freedom Fighter, to me is a left leaning biased word used by left leaning media. Communism has always advocated emancipation, and freedom from the bourgeois society and transitioning into a classless society. Lenin, Mao, and Castro are commonly labelled as sorts of Freedom Fighters, but are they really? They purged millions of men, women and even children because they were 'counterrevolutionary" or just because they criticised the Government. They led their respective nations into poverty, war and famine, instead of bringing in freedom, they instead suppressed their people.

Freedom Fighter is just a term used by Left leaning people in order to make people such as Lenin, Mao and Castro seem like an acceptable person, and that their actions were justified.

I'd call all three of them Terrorists, actually, I'd call them tyrants.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
They are seen as a resistance movement to their people, seen as terrorists by those opposed to them.



Source: BBC Profile

Generally however the victor in any conflict gets to write the long term version of history, we're not there yet.
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If Hamas never deployed terrorist tactics with the intent to kill civilians they would not be considered terrorist. Hamas is responsible for suicide attacks targeting civilians. These attacks deliberatly target civilians that is why they are terrorist. There people may call them a resistence movement but they are terrorist plan and simple.
 
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