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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Do you agree with the statement?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 57.5%

  • No

    Votes: 17 42.5%
  • Total voters
    40
Laila said:
Im asking a question. Answer it.

If people want a theocratic system, do they not the freedom to choose that system?
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I notice this question has been ignored still.

I'll just use this post to correct myself - I though there weren't any "freedom fighters" who had NOT also engaged in atrocities or barbarity against any civilians - I was forgetting Mahatma Ghandi and his peaceful freedom fighters. Even then however, I couldn't guarantee all his followers acted without attacking any civilians.
 
Laila said:
According to you it is not ...

And i was being hypothetical, i have no idea whether all Arab Muslims want to live under Taliban type sharia.
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Yes according to me and every other logical person on this big big planet.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Werwolf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Edelweiss Pirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Forest Brothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thanks for the link, it is interesting, but the werwolf haven't done anything:

Alleged Werwolf actions

A number of instances of post-war violence have been attributed to Werwolf activity, but none have been proven.

* It has been claimed that the destruction of the United States Military Government police headquarters in Bremen on June 5 1945 by two explosions which resulted in 44 deaths [18] was a Werwolf-related attack. There is, however, no proof that it was due to Werwolf actions rather than to unexploded bombs or delayed-action ordnance.
* Dr. Franz Oppenhoff, the newly appointed mayor of Aachen, was murdered outside his home in March 1945, allegedly by Werwolfs, but was in fact assassinated by an SS unit flown in at the order of Heinrich Himmler.[19]
* Major John Poston, Field Marshal Sir Bernard Law Montgomery's liaison officer was ambushed and killed a few days before Germany's surrender by unidentified assailants; in reality Poston died in an ambush by regular troops.[20]
* Colonel-General Nikolai Berzarin, Soviet commandant of Berlin is often claimed to have been assassinated by Werwolfs, but actually died in a motorcycle accident on June 16 1945.[21]
* The Werwolf propaganda station "Radio Werwolf" (which actually broadcast from Nauen near Berlin during April 1945), also claimed responsibility for the assassination of Major General Maurice Rose, commander of the US 3rd Armored Division on 30 March 1945[22], who was in reality killed in action by regular troops on 31 March[23].
* On 31 July 1945 an ammunition dump in Ústí nad Labem (Aussig an der Elbe), a largely ethnic German city in northern Bohemia ("Sudetenland"), exploded, killing 26 or 27[citation needed] people and injuring dozens. The explosion resulted in the "Ústí massacre" of ethnic Germans and was blamed on the Werwolf organization. A book published following the 1989 Velvet Revolution states that the explosion and massacre was perpetrated by Communists
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Goobieman said:
Irrelevant to the issue.
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?!? You're talking about something that has never existed!!!
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I notice this question has been ignored still.
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Because it is a red herring.

The people living under the Taliban (etc) don't have a choice; if they try to exercise some degree of choice contrary to dogma, they are killed.

And yet, some still argue that the people fighting to put people like the Taliban in power are 'freedom fighters'.
 
Laila said:
You speak for billions? Very interesting
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How, exactly, does the Nazi resistance ---not--- meet your definition of "freedom fighters"?
 
Goobieman said:
How, exactly, does the Nazi resistance ---not--- meet your definition of "freedom fighters"?
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You already know the answer you are just being deliberately stupid.
 
Goobieman said:
Because it is a red herring.

The people living under the Taliban (etc) don't have a choice; if they try to exercise some degree of choice contrary to dogma, they are killed.

And yet, some still argue that the people fighting to put people like the Taliban in power are 'freedom fighters'.
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20 or 30 years ago, when they were fighting against "commies" (and armed by the USA), the Taliban were considered as "freedom fighters". The answer of the poll is yes.
 
Laila, this thread has morphed from an academic discussion about the possibility of cultural and geographical differences in perception to one where only one culture and geopraphical group gets to define the perception for all.

You are banging your head against a wall here. You are free to do so but don't expect to accomplish anything by doing so.
 
Laila said:
You already know the answer you are just being deliberately stupid.
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No. I want YOUR answer.

Tell me how, exactly, under the argument YOU made, the Nazi resistance does NOT qualify as "freedom fighters".
 
Laila said:
I give up, they can't understand my reasoning and i theirs.
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On the contrary.

You have an unsupportable postion, and everyone here, including you, knows it.

This is evidenced by your continued dodging of questions that address your postion, directly.
 
Goobieman said:
Tell me how, exactly, under the argument YOU made, the Nazi resistance does NOT qualify as "freedom fighters".
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I don't think them shoving people in gas chambers really qualifies them to speak about freedom :roll:
 
Goobieman said:
This is evidenced by your continued dodging of questions that address your postion, directly.
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Oh, you would know about dodging questions wouldn't you
 
Laila said:
I don't think them shoving people in gas chambers really qualifies them to speak about freedom :roll:
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I see....
How does this differ from people that would force women to wear burkhas, and stone them to death if they do not?
 
Laila said:
I don't think them shoving people in gas chambers really qualifies them to speak about freedom :roll:
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During the war it wasn't terrorism, they had an uniform, it was an army. Thus it was just "war".

Maybe the bombings of London & Manchester during the Blitz could be called "terrorism" (because their goal was to frighten civilians and make them stop supporting Churchill), just like the bombings of Hamburg, Dresden or Tokyo could be called "terrorism" (these cities were not military objectives, the goal was to kill as many people as possible)
 
Goobieman said:
How does this differ from people that would force women to wear burkhas, and stone them to death if they do not?
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You really want me to define the difference between a few Muslim women wearing extra cloth and attempting to wipe out a group of people? REALLY?
 
bub said:
During the war it wasn't terrorism, they had an uniform, it was an army. Thus it was just "war".

Maybe the bombings of London & Manchester during the Blitz could be called "terrorism" (because their goal was to frighten civilians and make them stop supporting Churchill), just like the bombings of Hamburg, Dresden or Tokyo could be called "terrorism" (these cities were not military objectives, the goal was to kill as many people as possible)
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I wouldn't bother Bub he wouldn't accept that answer, im close to unsubscribing to this thread. This will just go on and on and on
 
Laila said:
I wouldn't bother Bub he wouldn't accept that answer, im close to unsubscribing to this thread. This will just go on and on and on
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Don't feel obliged to answer him...
 
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