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Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

  • Obviously! It should carry MMS and strict for 2nd++ offense..

    Votes: 2 3.1%

  • Yes, jailtime.

    Votes: 2 3.1%

  • Yah, first fine, then jail, mild jail time.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Hmm.. Perhaps..

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No..

    Votes: 57 87.7%

  • Something else(explain).

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Total voters
    65
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EgoffTib said:
You are really asking why it is a stretch for adultery to be made a punishable criminal offense? :shock:
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No, he's asking why it's a stretch for the state to regulate the marriage as they see fit as they set the rules of marriage in the first place.
 
Shewter said:
No, he's asking why it's a stretch for the state to regulate the marriage as they see fit as they set the rules of marriage in the first place.
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Which would inevitably make it a crime to commit adultery. Unless I'm missing something, which I could be, since it's been a long day at work. :2razz:
 
peepnklown said:
[sarcasm] Of course! I mean, let’s get the state involved in all items, like jail time for people who tell a lie, big or small and people who cheat at board-games and people who curse. [/sarcasm]
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How about we just give people who are cheated on the right to press charges against the adulterer if they are in marriage?

How about that? Just that..
 
Radical Ron said:
Why? They already get a divorce and a chance at all the money. They don't need anything else IMO.
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Half the money... ;)

...and divorce! Of course, because that is so enjoyable and ends all of the problems associated with the adulterer. :roll:

They get the fun of having to deal with going to courts...
Worrying about the other person missing deadlines (of course there are consequences, but many dead beats don't care or think about that, furthering the issue)...
Child custody issues...
Having the other poison your kid with bad emotions and revenge...
It goes on and on and for any person that does not actually think about this issue a little deeper should not really comment on it.

For all the pain and difficulty that an adulterer causes, simply to have sex...
Well, that person should be put in prison for long time and punished when they are out...

Those that think that adulterers should be treated so well, or not punished...
Well, it makes me think that these people are most likely not trustworthy people in the first place...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Half the money... ;)

...and divorce! Of course, because that is so enjoyable and ends all of the problems associated with the adulterer. :roll:

They get the fun of having to deal with going to courts...
Worrying about the other person missing deadlines (of course there are consequences, but many dead beats don't care or think about that, furthering the issue)...
Child custody issues...
Having the other poison your kid with bad emotions and revenge...
It goes on and on and for any person that does not actually think about this issue a little deeper should not really comment on it.

For all the pain and difficulty that an adulterer causes, simply to have sex...
Well, that person should be put in prison for long time and punished when they are out...

Those that think that adulterers should be treated so well, or not punished...
Well, it makes me think that these people are most likely not trustworthy people in the first place...
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How about individuals make better choices when getting married? If you know your spouse truly loves you, you should not have to worry. You guys are advocating risk-free relationships and that's not the way these things work. I realize, by being monogamous, that I may be cheated on.
 
EgoffTib said:
How about individuals make better choices when getting married? If you know your spouse truly loves you, you should not have to worry. You guys are advocating risk-free relationships and that's not the way these things work. I realize, by being monogamous, that I may be cheated on.
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You can make the best choice in the world.
Time and wisdom show us that this will not ensure that you will not be cheated on.
People change... True love can alter for the worse for a number of reasons...
You may not worry, but you certainly have no insurance that it will not end bad.

There is no such thing as a risk free relationships, not am I advocating that in the slightest.
Please keep what I say in perspective and do not attempt to change its context.

:2razz:
 
Bodhisattva said:
You can make the best choice in the world.
Time and wisdom show us that this will not ensure that you will not be cheated on.
People change... True love can alter for the worse for a number of reasons...
You may not worry, but you certainly have no insurance that it will not end bad.
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Agreed, but love is risky business. you have to put yourself out there and hope that people do not crush you.

There is no such thing as a risk free relationships, not am I advocating that in the slightest.
Please keep what I say in perspective and do not attempt to change its context.

:2razz:
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Deal.
 
EgoffTib said:
Agreed, but love is risky business. you have to put yourself out there and hope that people do not crush you.


Deal.
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Cool.

Love is risky, and that is why... if you get crushed, the "crusher" gets punished. Prison.
 
Radical Ron said:
I understand what you mean. But to be clear, I feel that the laws are flawed in their current state. And to add an amendment to the law making adultery a jailable offense in a divorce trial seems barbaric and twisted to me. In my opinion we live in a society where "family law" is still subject to a court system that favors women over men.
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Just because things sucks at the moment, doesn't mean we shouldn't change things. For example if laws are flawed, that shouldn't mean we should not add logical laws.

Would it not be logical that the party cheated on in a marriage gets the right to press charges against the cheater?

-If a woman cheats on a man..(same with a man, except children).

Why should she get 50% of the money?(or loose a tiny slice because of adultery)
Why should she get main custody over the children?

It would certainly be logic that the party who ruined the relationship should not have main custody over the children, just like it is logical that she gets punished for ruining the family(taken into consideration the man would not press charges if they worked it out).
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Just because things sucks at the moment, doesn't mean we shouldn't change things. For example if laws are flawed, that shouldn't mean we should not add logical laws.

Would it not be logical that the party cheated on in a marriage gets the right to press charges against the cheater?
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No.

Maximus Zeebra said:
-If a woman cheats on a man..(same with a man, except children).

Why should she get 50% of the money?(or loose a tiny slice because of adultery)
Why should she get main custody over the children?

It would certainly be logic that the party who ruined the relationship should not have main custody over the children, just like it is logical that she gets punished for ruining the family(taken into consideration the man would not press charges if they worked it out).
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Good points. But I don't think that it's fair or justifiable. I seriously doubt you'd ever get it passed.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Cool.

Love is risky, and that is why... if you get crushed, the "crusher" gets punished. Prison.
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That seems to be a bit over the top. Should people be fined for showing up late to dinner reservations? Jailtime for friends who break promises?
 
chevydriver1123 said:
In divorce if one has evidence that you cheated in your marriage they you should be penalized when it comes to the settlement other than that no.
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But thats not reality.. Say the women cheats, then she might miss out on 10-15% of the settlement as a result, but she still gets main custody over the children.
For a man he would then loose out on 10-15% and not get main custody.

Thats not punishment for ruining the relationship, and the family.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
But thats not reality.. Say the women cheats, then she might miss out on 10-15% of the settlement as a result, but she still gets main custody over the children.
For a man he would then loose out on 10-15% and not get main custody.

Thats not punishment for ruining the relationship, and the family.
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When you're talking about the kids, it's not a matter of "punishing" a parent by denying them custody. It's a matter of what is best for the children. You don't keep a child from one parent out of spite because someone's feelings got hurt.
 
rivrrat said:
When you're talking about the kids, it's not a matter of "punishing" a parent by denying them custody. It's a matter of what is best for the children. You don't keep a child from one parent out of spite because someone's feelings got hurt.
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So its better for the children to stay with the parent who ruined the family than the other one? Its better for the children to stay with a parent who sleeps around uncontrolled rather than someone who have sexual discipline?

Ok... :roll:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
So its better for the children to stay with the parent who ruined the family than the other one? Its better for the children to stay with a parent who sleeps around uncontrolled rather than someone who have sexual discipline?

Ok... :roll:
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Well the parent getting laid regularly will probably be happier which bodes well for the kids in the house. While sexual discipline on the other hand sounds horrible and brings up images of Carrie's crazy mother beating her with a bible and locking her in a closet.


(I'm kidding of course.)

I don't see why sexual activity would have any bearing on which placement would be better for a child unless one of the parents is a hooker, child molester, rapist, etc. If Daddy falls out of love with mommy and falls in love with someone else this doesn't mean he's destined to do as crappy a job at parenting as he did at being a husband.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
So its better for the children to stay with the parent who ruined the family than the other one? Its better for the children to stay with a parent who sleeps around uncontrolled rather than someone who have sexual discipline?

Ok... :roll:
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1. Adultery doesn't have to lead to a "ruined family". Ever heard of the very Christian concept of "forgiveness"? I'm sure you have.

2. You've got a very one dimensional approach to this debate. Relationships are very complicated and people usually don't cheat for no reason. What if there is some underlying issue of physical or psychological abuse that pushed one of them to cheat? What if the marriage was slowly but surely becoming unbearable for whatever reason? What then? Why not call for mandatory marriage counseling before charging blindly down the revenge path? If I've learned anything in life, it's that nothing is that simple when it comes to human relationships. One-dimensional solutions will never work, sorry.

2. Cheating does not remove someone's ability to be a good parent. The custody issue is decided by an impartial party, the Judge, based on a number of things, not just one in particular. That's the way it is, and thank goodness we don't leave these decisions to the emotional basket cases involved.
 
Arcana XV said:
1. Adultery doesn't have to lead to a "ruined family". Ever heard of the very Christian concept of "forgiveness"? I'm sure you have.
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I am talking about when it ends in divorce. Thus the whole "RIGHT to press charges against the cheater, if things are not worked out". And if the adultery leads in divorce, it obviously ruins the family.

Arcana XV said:
2. You've got a very one dimensional approach to this debate. Relationships are very complicated and people usually don't cheat for no reason. What if there is some underlying issue of physical or psychological abuse that pushed one of them to cheat? What if the marriage was slowly but surely becoming unbearable for whatever reason? What then?
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Divorce? Divorce, divorce, divorce....

Arcana XV said:
Why not call for mandatory marriage counseling before charging blindly down the revenge path? If I've learned anything in life, it's that nothing is that simple when it comes to human relationships. One-dimensional solutions will never work, sorry.
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Why not give the victim of adultery the right to press charges, if he so determines that is what needs to be done? No one is talking about state surveillance of marriages and busting cheaters and throwing them to jail. At least I am not. I am just talking about the right for the party cheated on to press charges.. Why should he/she not have such a right? Marriage counseling could be one possible solution before taking that step, or just solving things between them another alternative. I am not saying everyone SHOULD and MUST press charges, I am talking about the right to do so, and jailtime for the adulterer if presses charges against, if the evidence is good enough and if a judge finds the party guilty.

I think you are the one looking at this one dimensionally.


Arcana XV said:
2. Cheating does not remove someone's ability to be a good parent. The custody issue is decided by an impartial party, the Judge, based on a number of things, not just one in particular. That's the way it is, and thank goodness we don't leave these decisions to the emotional basket cases involved.
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I didnt say that directly.. I said, usually the woman gets to keep main custody no matter what. But why should this be such if she cheats on her man and it ends up in divorce, she have then effectively ruined the marriage, and main custody should naturally be reconsidered.

I simply asked the questions..

Maximus Zeebra said:
So its better for the children to stay with the parent who ruined the family than the other one? Its better for the children to stay with a parent who sleeps around uncontrolled rather than someone who have sexual discipline?

Ok... :roll:
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Maximus Zeebra said:
I am talking about when it ends in divorce. Thus the whole "RIGHT to press charges against the cheater, if things are not worked out". And if the adultery leads in divorce, it obviously ruins the family.



Divorce? Divorce, divorce, divorce....
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Isn't divorce enough? The entire family has been punished enough through the whole ordeal to begin with. I would see someone pressing charges and adding even more trauma to the family as a complete and utter irresponsible parent. Two wrongs do not make a right.


Why not give the victim of adultery the right to press charges, if he so determines that is what needs to be done? No one is talking about state surveillance of marriages and busting cheaters and throwing them to jail. At least I am not. I am just talking about the right for the party cheated on to press charges.. Why should he/she not have such a right? Marriage counseling could be one possible solution before taking that step, or just solving things between them another alternative. I am not saying everyone SHOULD and MUST press charges, I am talking about the right to do so, and jailtime for the adulterer if presses charges against, if the evidence is good enough and if a judge finds the party guilty.

I think you are the one looking at this one dimensionally.
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They can settle it through the civil courts. There's absolutely no valid reason to switch these matters over to the criminal justice system. None that I've seen so far anyway.


I didnt say that directly.. I said, usually the woman gets to keep main custody no matter what. But why should this be such if she cheats on her man and it ends up in divorce, she have then effectively ruined the marriage, and main custody should naturally be reconsidered.

I simply asked the questions..
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Like I said, relationships are complicated. I hope you realize the massive amount of crap that would come out in adultery courts. If you think divorce courts get ugly and dirty, you ain't seen nothing yet. The cheating party will have a lawyer too, you know? And they will expose every single gory detail of that marriage to justify their actions. I'd think long and hard before pressing any charges against anyone who's cheated on me. I don't want my private life dissected by complete strangers, thank you very much.

But, hey, if you enjoy that sort of thing, and you're 100% sure that your private life and your behavior in the marriage is up for the scrutiny, go right ahead.
 
EgoffTib said:
That seems to be a bit over the top. Should people be fined for showing up late to dinner reservations? Jailtime for friends who break promises?
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I think that we both know that your analogy isn't even close to being the same...

The prisons would have the room too, since we would execute all murderers and rapists.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
But thats not reality.. Say the women cheats, then she might miss out on 10-15% of the settlement as a result, but she still gets main custody over the children.
For a man he would then loose out on 10-15% and not get main custody.

Thats not punishment for ruining the relationship, and the family.
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The courts are completely in favor of the women when it comes to settlements and custody...
 
rivrrat said:
When you're talking about the kids, it's not a matter of "punishing" a parent by denying them custody. It's a matter of what is best for the children. You don't keep a child from one parent out of spite because someone's feelings got hurt.
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Parents that commit adultery are teaching their kids that adultery, betrayal, breach of contract, dishonesty, etc are ok.
I think that it is better for the children to NOT have people like that around.

I think that you keep the child away from that parent to protect the child.
 
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