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Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

Should adultery be a criminal offense punishable by jailtime?

  • Obviously! It should carry MMS and strict for 2nd++ offense..

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Yes, jailtime.

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Yah, first fine, then jail, mild jail time.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hmm.. Perhaps..

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No..

    Votes: 57 87.7%
  • Something else(explain).

    Votes: 4 6.2%

  • Total voters
    65
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Hmm, tell my boys and my extended family that my wife's adultery was only a breach of a contract: "Oh, mommy broke a strictly legal contract and has absolutely no effect on you at all, in anyway what-so-ever".

While this is sad, and I truly do feel for you and your family. I wish you the best in this regard.

But unfortunately it really means absolutely nothing in regards to the law, which is what the point I made pertains to.

Never mind the credible research demonstrating that children are worse off in single parent homes. Never mind that statistics showing that they are more likely to be abused sexually, physically and emotionally by mommy’s boyfriends.

This has nothing to do with adultery. It relates to divorce. Are you arguing for criminalizing divorce?

No no, Tucker says none of this exists, so it must be true because he said so; and Tucker is always right, just ask him, he'll tell you.

I can cite numerous posts of mine where I admit that I have made an error and retracted an argument. If someone can show me logically or legally the stance I hold is incorrect, I do this all the time.

Most recently I made this type of retraction with Sir Loin in an argument about Rush Limbaugh.

I'm not sure where this particular comment is coming from, Jerry. Can you please explain it to me?

Adultery destroys the family, the destruction of the family harms everyone immediately involved directly and society by proxy and that is why it is wrong.

So does my example of verbal abuse. And a child is more likely to be aware of one spouse acting in a verbally abusing manner than they would be of infidelity because they are much more likely to directly witness verbal abuse.

It's not my morality; it's not your morality, its objective truth which, yes, does actually exist.

Lets assume this is true.

How is adultery worse than verbally denigrating one's spouse (which is legal)? They have similar ramifications, they both destroy the family etc.

Although there is one REMARKABLE difference between the two.

Although adultery is a purely selfish behavior, it is typically not a malicious behavior committed with the intent to cause harm. Whereas verbal abuse is ALWAYS a malicious behavior meant to inflict HARM on the other person.

Why is it that adultery, a non-malicious act, which indeed has victims, but only incidental victims, is being treated as though it is worse than a malicious act that has a direct and intended victims as well as incidental victims.

Common sense indicates that malicious actions are worse than non-malicious actions.

The discussion here is not "Is adultery a bad thing" it's should it be a criminal offense. Obviously when I make a comment in this context, I make it in the legal sense. i.e. "Legally speaking, Adultery is simply a breech of contract. No more, no less."

I didn't necessarily place the term "Legally speaking" into my post since I gathered that it would be assumed by those who read the post since the topic of the thread, the arguments made in that post, and the comments I made regarding the immorality of adultery as well as the comparison to verbal abuse would suggest that the legal sense is what I meant by the comment.

I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer for you.

Your argument is born of gross ignorance and utter denial of documented facts. I can't address it comprehensively as I would have to start with basic sociological concepts which I neither have the time or patents to type nor the casual reader to digest.

How unfortunate that you refuse to make a case to support your claims. If I am ignorant then, please, educate me.

You couldn't be more wrong, Tucker. Adultery is so much more than a simple breach of a contract.

Not legally speaking, which was my point. Which is why I made the comparison to an equally vile and disgusting action that is actually protected by the first amendment.
 
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You got stats to back that claim up? That adultery is a direct cause of violent crimes to others? And, anything to explain how one person committing adultery forces someone else to commit a crime?

Isn't it in the news everyday about a married couples murder/suicide because of another lover?
 
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Isn't it in the news everyday about a married couples murder/suicide because of another lover?

And adultery is always the reason?

nm missed your edit...


That said, everyone is responsible for their own actions. If someone cheats on you and your only response is to kill either yourself or your significant other (married or not) then I'd say you have bigger problems than just being cheated on.

As many people have already stated in this thread, life goes on, pick yourself back up and get over it.
 
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While this is sad, and I truly do feel for you and your family. I wish you the best in this regard.

But unfortunately it really means absolutely nothing in regards to the law, which is what the point I made pertains to.

This has nothing to do with adultery. It relates to divorce. Are you arguing for criminalizing divorce?

I can cite numerous posts of mine where I admit that I have made an error and retracted an argument. If someone can show me logically or legally the stance I hold is incorrect, I do this all the time.

Most recently I made this type of retraction with Sir Loin in an argument about Rush Limbaugh.

I'm not sure where this particular comment is coming from, Jerry. Can you please explain it to me?

So does my example of verbal abuse. And a child is more likely to be aware of one spouse acting in a verbally abusing manner than they would be of infidelity because they are much more likely to directly witness verbal abuse.

Lets assume this is true.

How is adultery worse than verbally denigrating one's spouse (which is legal)? They have similar ramifications, they both destroy the family etc.

Although there is one REMARKABLE difference between the two.

Although adultery is a purely selfish behavior, it is typically not a malicious behavior committed with the intent to cause harm. Whereas verbal abuse is ALWAYS a malicious behavior meant to inflict HARM on the other person.

Why is it that adultery, a non-malicious act, which indeed has victims, but only incidental victims, is being treated as though it is worse than a malicious act that has a direct and intended victims as well as incidental victims.

Common sense indicates that malicious actions are worse than non-malicious actions.

The discussion here is not "Is adultery a bad thing" it's should it be a criminal offense. Obviously when I make a comment in this context, I make it in the legal sense. i.e. "Legally speaking, Adultery is simply a breech of contract. No more, no less."

I didn't necessarily place the term "Legally speaking" into my post since I gathered that it would be assumed by those who read the post since the topic of the thread, the arguments made in that post, and the comments I made regarding the immorality of adultery as well as the comparison to verbal abuse would suggest that the legal sense is what I meant by the comment.

I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer for you.

How unfortunate that you refuse to make a case to support your claims. If I am ignorant then, please, educate me.

Not legally speaking, which was my point. Which is why I made the comparison to an equally vile and disgusting action that is actually protected by the first amendment.

While I take some time to cool off from you having just called my children "incidental victims", please understand that verbally denigrating your spouse is abuse and is illegal.

You truly do not know what you’re talking about.
 
Ipse dixit

This is on the same plane as to the moral damage drugs do
How so? Why should I believe this? Because you say so? OK? I say it doesn't. So now what? I can't prove a negative so that leaves the burden of proof on you.


and all the crime spiraled off it......got clue yet?
so now you add in the presumption that drugs cause crime as opposed to the black market of drugs or the types of users and culture where the drug is used? That's quite a hypothesis all to support your argument.
 
How does your question have anything to do with the post you were responding to?

I could say the same regarding your response to mine. In the body of that post I believe I made it clear that I was discussing the legal sense adultery given the arguments I made within that post.


I believe in that very same post I said that I am in favor of increased awards for damages being granted to the injured party based on said adultery.

I'm sorry you took my statement out of context, but the context was definitely clear.
 
And adultery is always the reason?

Seems like it is more often than not...no I don't know the exact stats but I will say again...

Adultery is on the same plane as illegal drugs in terms of moral damage and all the crimes that are spun off and directly related...mostly in terms of murder
 
Those damages are monetary, not criminal. HUGE difference in the eyes of the law, Jerry.

Scourge99 used the word "punish" when asking where we draw the line.

Fine = "punish".

Obviously we draw the line at specific scenarios and monitory fine, and do not cross that line and go into criminal proceedings.

I was answering his question, nothing more.
 
Re: Ipse dixit

How so? Why should I believe this? Because you say so? OK? I say it doesn't. So now what? I can't prove a negative so that leaves the burden of proof on you.


so now you add in the presumption that drugs cause crime as opposed to the black market of drugs or the types of users and culture where the drug is used? That's quite a hypothesis all to support your argument.

Just my perception in terms of seriousness of crime...illegal drugs and adultery are on the same plane because of the way crime is spun from them
 
I could say the same regarding your response to mine. In the body of that post I believe I made it clear that I was discussing the legal sense adultery given the arguments I made within that post.

I believe in that very same post I said that I am in favor of increased awards for damages being granted to the injured party based on said adultery.

I'm sorry you took my statement out of context, but the context was definitely clear.

How does this have anything to do with IT's question or my responce to it?
 
...please understand that verbally denigrating your spouse is abuse and is illegal.

You truly do not know what you’re talking about.

Can you site evidence of this being more than just being considered a breech of the marriage contract?

For example, has there ever been a criminal charge regarding calling one's wife a "Worthless piece of dog****"?


While I take some time to cool off from you having just called my children "incidental victims"...

How can me using the words "Incidental victims" possibly be offensive?
 
It is a civil crime, as I sourced.

Kindly accept correction.

Well, that's great that you have a crafty term for it but reality of the matter is that adultery is not a crime (or a civil offense) as defined by our legal system. It can result in civil action (ie: divorce proceedings), but you can't be prosecuted criminally for committing the act.

Thanks for playing, though.
 
The pandoras box has been open for a long, long time.

Jerry, please read my entire post. If you did then you would notice that I acknowledged CIVIL cases where this was valid, but NOT in criminal cases. Kapeesh?
 
So you honestly think throwing someone in jail for sex out of wedlock is reasonable? I mean what about fornication? Why stop there, lets stop those damn homosexuals while we are at it!

Adultery should be punishable yes. The offended party would obviously have to file charges and provide proof. Thats extended rights of the hurt party, and less incentive to cheat. Less incentive to take marriage easy, and a less frequent divorce rate. If you think thats retarded, then you better review your prejudice against different ideas than your own and open your mind about whats immoral and what is not immoral..

Yes, let us throw those homosexuals in jail as well, I wouldn't protest it.
 
How does this have anything to do with IT's question or my responce to it?

Your initial repsonse to my post response really had nothing to do with the points made in that post. You ignored the context of the post (i.e. Criminal law).
 
Can you site evidence of this being more than just being considered a breech of the marriage contract?

For example, has there ever been a criminal charge regarding calling one's wife a "Worthless piece of dog****"?

It seems that you don't even know yourself what that means.

Abuse is a crime all on its own. It is ALSO a breach of marriage if the parties involved happen to be married to each other.

You honestly need me to source this?

How can me using the words "Incidental victims" possibly be offensive?

You are trolling.

Kindly follow my example and leave explosive issues alone until they can be dealt with civilly.
 
Did you ever stop and think, MZ ?
Possibly this gentleman has read the Bible, as I have, but we ,I'm guessing here, of course, have become disillusioned..
Its far better that man reads literature than is more up to date..and pertinent to today's world..

Yeah? Really? Literature such as doctors journal of sex changes as a "normal" procedure, while the same doctor cannot do a procedure to allow surrogacy mothers? Todays literature when lying is admired, backbiting is on everyone lips, cheating is not immoral, when sharing is looked at weirdly, where greed is admired, where murder is a regularity in city streets, where politics is corrupted to the core and so on, I could mention a billion examples where people could learn a LOT from reading the bible.. I am not saying we should all read the bible and follow it to the point/blindly, I am just saying that a lot of the moral code in the bible it something we could adopt to create a better society than todays moronic immoral looser society..
 
I voted no. No way do I want government to interfere in my private affairs even more than it already does.

Thats the point, they wouldn't. Criminalizing adultery would only give a right to the party cheated on/hurt to press charges against the other person.

We are obviously not thinking about this in the same way. It shouldnt be a general prohibition against adultery, but should extend the rights of the party cheated on to press charges and have the adulterer punished.
 
Well, that's great that you have a crafty term for it but reality of the matter is that adultery is not a crime (or a civil offense) as defined by our legal system. It can result in civil action (ie: divorce proceedings), but you can't be prosecuted criminally for committing the act.

Adultery is a crime which is why it can result in civil action.

I gave a direct link to SD codified laws proving it.

Thanks for playing, though.

This is trolling. Kindly refrain from doing so again.
 
You are too soft on crime, Maximus
Just stone the woman to death every time
And throw ten stone at the man..
Works every time, doesn't it.
Adultery never happens in the peaceful Islamic lands, but it is rife in America, and we must do something about these heinous crimes..

Who said anything about stoning?
There is always middleground for everything. Thats what you Americans tend to miss when you view it in the "with or us against us"/"them and us" perspective.
 
It seems that you don't even know yourself what that means.

Abuse is a crime all on its own. It is ALSO a breach of marriage if the parties involved happen to be married to each other.

You honestly need me to source this?

Yes.



You are trolling.

Kindly follow my example and leave explosive issues alone until they can be dealt with civilly.

Honestly, Jerry. I swear that there was no offense meant by it. Honestly.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but please understand that this was not the intent.
 
Yeah. Freedom is a real bitch isn't she?

I am sure it is for the family dad who loves his wife and whom wife claim to love him, then all of the sudden finding out his wife is riding and sucking other mens cocks while he is working to provide their family.
 
Adultery is a crime which is why it can result in civil action.

I gave a direct link to SD codified laws proving it.



This is trolling. Kindly refrain from doing so again.

How many people are convicted criminally for committing adultery?

Also, define trolling.
 
Re: Ipse dixit

Just my perception in terms of seriousness of crime.
and I believe you have a faulty perception. You can't seem to prove why your perception is true. Thus, its likely you have a FALSE perception.

..illegal drugs and adultery are on the same plane because of the way crime is spun from them
assuming this is true (which I don't find any compelling reason it is) how does this relate to adultery? Or is this another unsubstantiated perception?
 
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